Montecruz, Cohiba, Montecristo

**ultramerican** · 05-19-2006, 04:51 PM

Hi, everyone.

I am new to this forum and I am not a cigar smoker. I'm just trying to help my father find a home for some cigars. He was a collector and there are a lot of them to get rid of. If you are not interested in them yourself, I would appreciate any suggestions about how to sell them beyond this board.

EDIT: NONE ARE MORE RECENT THAN 1991. MOST ARE 1982 OR EARLIER. CONTACT FOR DETAILS. They are:
Montecruz 210 Double Claro 6 1/2" 40 ring
Montecruz 210 Sun Grown 6 1/2" 40 ring
Montecruz 220 Sun Grown 5 1/2" 40 ring

There are also a couple boxes of:
Cohiba Triangulo 5 3/4" 48 ring
Montecristo #2 6" 48 ring

You can email me at ultramerican@yahoo.com

Thanks for reading this.

**Shagaroo** · 05-19-2006, 05:04 PM

For posterity....

Originally Posted by ultramerican

Hi, everyone.

I am new to this forum and I am not a cigar smoker. I'm just trying to help my father find a home for some cigars. He was a collector and there are a lot of them to get rid of. If you are not interested in them yourself, I would appreciate any suggestions about how to sell them beyond this board.

These were purchased mostly in the 1960's and -70's. They are:
Montecruz 210 Double Claro 6 1/2" 40 ring
Montecruz 210 Sun Grown 6 1/2" 40 ring
Montecruz 220 Sun Grown 5 1/2" 40 ring

There are also a couple boxes of:
Cohiba Triangulo 5 3/4" 48 ring
Montecristo #2 6" 48 ring

You can email me at ultramerican@yahoo.com

Thanks for reading this.

On the slight, miniscule, off chance you aren't yet another asshat spamer I am gonna give you a simple heads up. This isn't how we work around here. If you don't want to be a part of the community, we don't want you here. We get posts like these constantly and they are ALWAYS bullshit posted by scammers or spammers and we like to rake the poor dumb bastards that post them over the coals. Occasionaly one is dumb enough to stick around and entertain us, but not often.

That being said, you can imagine how popular you are around here at this point. So, if you are not just another useless piece of shit, in a long line of useless pieces of shit, then start making amends now. Otherwise, buckle up... we like fresh meat!

**ggiese** · 05-19-2006, 05:32 PM

You have no history in our community - no reputation - no nothing. Understand that without reputation and history, no one has any idea if these cigars are legit, and more importantly, whether they've been properly stored during that entire time. Just because you have them, doesn't mean they're good. That's a long time to hang around - and during that time there's a good chance they hadn't been properly stored...

I'd suggest you would have much better luck hanging one of those "For Sale" signs at your local grocery store - or donating them to the troops.

bigpoppapuff · 05-19-2006, 05:35 PM

ultra...so that your offer doesn't smell of spam...tell us a bit more about yourself....your dads interest in cigars,etc etc.....i'll take the kinder,gentler approach and hope you're sincere...if so,there could be some interest in your dads' cigars...

**ultramerican** · 05-19-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shagaroo

That being said, you can imagine how popular you are around here at this point.

As of now, three people have viewed this post.

I can understand a first post looking for a sale being viewed with suspicion. I am not a spammer or scammer. I hope this thread doesn't provoke any more unpleasantness. If anyone has any positive advice for me, I'd love to hear it.

**ultramerican** · 05-19-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff

ultra...so that your offer doesn't smell of spam...tell us a bit more about yourself....your dads interest in cigars,etc etc.....i'll take the kinder,gentler approach and hope you're sincere...if so,there could be some interest in your dads' cigars...

Thanks a lot. These were stored at Dunhill in New York. They just closed the humidor there and they sent all my father's cigars to his home.

I don't want to identify myself on this board because I don't know who's reading it. I tried to sell them a while back at another forum, but it brought out a lot of hostility from the users there. I'd be happy to email anyone with a sincere interest in these or who has any good ideas for me.

**ggiese** · 05-19-2006, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by ultramerican

Thanks a lot. These were stored at Dunhill in New York. They just closed the humidor there and they sent all my father's cigars to his home.

I don't want to identify myself on this board because I don't know who's reading it. I tried to sell them a while back at another forum, but it brought out a lot of hostility from the users there. I'd be happy to email anyone with a sincere interest in these or who has any good ideas for me.

You've already been through this on another board and you came back for seconds???

I can understand ignorance, but this is now sheer folly....

Hey, Shag - great catch in quoting his post. This guy sounds suspiciously like Backdrifter from CP a while back, who deleted all of his posts after he was told it was bad form to sell cigars in his first post.

There was some very wise and frank discussions about what it is you have - and I think you should have probably heeded advice, rather than taking offense to what was said...

**ggiese** · 05-19-2006, 06:00 PM

Mr. UltraAmerican - I think the thing you may have missed is this board consists of a group of individuals that all share the same passion - cigars. We love to discuss them, we love to buy them, we love to trade them, we love to smoke them. With that in mind, it is a "brotherhood" of sorts - hence, the BOTL (Brotherhood of the Leaf).

That being said, this group of individuals is highly protective of each other. A new person walking into the situation would not understand it because it defies the norms of society. But, if you stick around, you will find a great group of generous people, who look out for each others interests. No one on this board, especialy the members that have been around for a while, will tolerate anyone attempting to take advantage of the others on the board. That is the backlash you are feeling.

If you're walking in here for the purpose of selling your cigars, you have already been told how to go about that. Instead of flaming the board, maybe you should become a part of the community and take advantage of the knowledge of some of the members of this board. From the sounds of what you have, I doubt seriously you're going to get any kind of serious offer on any of the auction sites - and you certainly can't just create a web page to sell them. It makes sense that you would come to a place like Cigar Smokers because the greatest chance of hooking up with someone who may be interested in your cigars lies here. As an added bouns, there are members on this board that can tell you what those cigars are worth, and where and how to sell them. Whether you realize it or not, You've actually come to the right place to sell your cigars.

You choose to come in here like a bull in a china shop. It's very much like walking into a cocktail party of people you don't know and opening up a briefcase trying to sell your cigars. You're going to get tossed out on your butt. That is just not socially acceptable.

There are quite a few cigars boards on the net - you'll find them all over the place. But I gotta tell you - every one will greet you with the same suspicion, and will be as defensive as this one. If you think it's just limited to this board - I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken.

So - either learn how to act socially in an on-line cigar community, or pack you're briefcase and walk out the door before you find yourself being tossed like a door to door salesman...

Quoted from a post to Mr. Backdrifter - Aug 14 2005, 10:56 AM

**ggiese** · 05-19-2006, 06:04 PM

VERY wise advice from someone (MattR) who WOULD know what the cigars are worth...

The Cohiba line was not produced in any shape or form until 1978 and that was in a very limited and not for sale quantity, in Cuba. In 1982 the line became available for sale, in Cuba. The non-Cuban Cohiba brands were introduced in 1990-91. The only Cohiba Triangulare I know of is the Red Dot Cohibas. These were not produced until the late 1990's.

As for the other brands listed. If they are indeed from the 60s or 70's they are worth far more than what is being asked. It would be more worth your father's time to contact Christie's auction house in the UK.

Post some pictures here of the boxes so we can actually see what is being sold.

As for the Dunhill shop, it is at 57th and Park Ave. in New York, but they will not be showing anyone else's cigars to anyone without prior permission.

**ultramerican** · 05-19-2006, 06:21 PM

Hi, ggiese.

You found that old thread, I see. I tried to learn from the experience, I hope you can tell. It is true that the Cohiba and the Montecristo aren't as old as the others.

I realize this probably won't work here, but I thought it was worth a shot. Try to look at it from my point of view. I don't know much about the subject, but I'm trying to help my dad because he's not up to dealing with this anymore. The cigars are too valuable to just give away. I just want to find the best solution for our situation.

I'm in the Washington, DC area. I would be happy to meet any interested individuals in person.

I am glad to have the opportunity to use this board.

**Cigar Penguin** · 05-19-2006, 07:20 PM

I am surprised dad has no contacts of his own like the shop owners where he kept them,or the shops patrons.How about friends he smoked with or collected with.
I am sure,being in NYC,dunhill staff can direct you,or someone else in nyc,to an appraiser of some sorts to better see what it is you have.Other than that,if you are willing to let someone meet up and have a look at what you have I dont know what else to say,other than make a creative ad and hit ebay up.I'd meet with you but I am inexperianced on old stock.

What you didnt learn from CP was that you didnt get personable with us.You need to gain some trust.I dont see how you didnt catch that the first time around,there were no hidden puzzles on what to do and what not to do.I can save you more grief,you can expect the same results on any one of the hundred or so cigar forums on the net.Now,you can make up your wrong doings or continue on with the same results,its up to you.

How are these cigars being stored now and at what conditions?

**Desert Rat** · 05-19-2006, 08:32 PM

Here is the CP thread:
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...montecruz&st=0

Post #16 quotes his opening post that was deleted from that thread.
Inconsistancies in the offering were pointed out later in the CP thread and yet his offering here is a cut and paste from the Aug 2005 in CP.

Ultramerican's post here makes no sense from several different aspects-weird.

Its almost as if ultramerican/backdrifter/proto472 is too dumb to be a con man

.

**Shagaroo** · 05-19-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

and yet his offering here is a cut and paste from the Aug 2005 in CP.

Wow... 9 months.

Ultradrifter472... these things been out of a humidor all this time? I can tell what they are worth if that is the case.... bupkiss!

**Cigar Penguin** · 05-19-2006, 09:59 PM

Backdrifter!? I remember that thread.
I am with DG,if you are willing to allow one of us,heck even my semi experianced ass, to come over,maybe take a picture or two or bring my friend with more experiance to have a look-see,this would save alot of time for you and the rest of us.

With a name like backdrifter, how can we but trust you/

Lol...classic,that still makes me laugh....thanks JimK.

bigpoppapuff · 05-19-2006, 10:02 PM

allrighty then...i gave you the opportunity to come clean,ultraback......are you trying to make me look bad??......come clean......then leave...

try herfersparadise.net

**ultramerican** · 05-20-2006, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Cigar Penguin

Backdrifter!? I remember that thread.
I am with DG,if you are willing to allow one of us,heck even my semi experianced ass, to come over,maybe take a picture or two or bring my friend with more experiance to have a look-see,this would save alot of time for you and the rest of us.

Lol...classic,that still makes me laugh....thanks JimK.

I'm happy to meet in person anyone who is a potential buyer. I have samples just to show. The rest are in PA in either a regrigerator or humidors.

Dunhill wasn't doing much business in cigars before they closed their humidors. They weren't able to sell them. They had a lot of extra cigars to clear out, just like these. They were appraised by their cigar guy. My dad has gotten rid of a lot of these through contacts, but a lot are still left over. Like I said, he's not up do dealing with this anymore. Ebay doesn't allow the sale of tobacco. The packaging has to have value as a collectible, moreso than the tobacco, to sell it there. That's what they say.

It looks like this isn't going to work here.

**mauied1101** · 05-24-2006, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by ultramerican

I'm happy to meet in person anyone who is a potential buyer. I have samples just to show. The rest are in PA in either a regrigerator or humidors.

Dunhill wasn't doing much business in cigars before they closed their humidors. They weren't able to sell them. They had a lot of extra cigars to clear out, just like these. They were appraised by their cigar guy. My dad has gotten rid of a lot of these through contacts, but a lot are still left over. Like I said, he's not up do dealing with this anymore. Ebay doesn't allow the sale of tobacco. The packaging has to have value as a collectible, moreso than the tobacco, to sell it there. That's what they say.

It looks like this isn't going to work here.

Sorry - late to the conversation. I'm in the DC area and would like to take a look. Will bring my digital camera. You'll either be exonerated or not. Or, you could send samples to one of the FOGs here at my expense for verification. If they're real, I'm sure there's interest. Either way, I'm calling you out. PM sent.

**nhcigarfan** · 05-24-2006, 09:49 PM

how did i miss this

**mauied1101** · 05-24-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by nhcigarfan

how did i miss this

LOL - i was on vacation - what's your excuse?

**ultramerican** · 05-25-2006, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by mauied1101

Sorry - late to the conversation. I'm in the DC area and would like to take a look. Will bring my digital camera. You'll either be exonerated or not. Or, you could send samples to one of the FOGs here at my expense for verification. If they're real, I'm sure there's interest. Either way, I'm calling you out. PM sent.

Exonerated?
Calling me out?
The message this guy sent me tells me he's just playing games.

I'm still waiting for serious interest. I'm not expecting to find it here at this point. I noticed this thread had just a handful of views in recent days before he posted. If you want to go back and forth about this, I'm not going to respond. For future readers of this thread: I will respond to legitimate interest from potential buyers. I am ignoring foolish banter from people who have nothing better to do.