Cigars for INFO

[BigMacFU]

Sorry to post-pad, but that's funny Syd!!!

ahem...."fun-pack" is trademarked......

[basil]

Dan, here is a page that is interesting. I found some of the info about aging to be very general, but there are a few specifics in this article.

I have very little that is more than 2 years old; for me, "aged" is over a year. I know that the PD4s are great right out of a box that has a date of 12 months or less (dates stamped are package dates), and that if you wait too long, they'll turn "sick". However, they don't do it all at once. Light one at 20 months, and the flavor will change as you smoke it, some of of it having gone sick and some of it still being the wonderful flavor when they were 2 months out.

On domestics, some tobaccos are aged meticulously, in controlled processes, before they are ever made into cigars. Like Padron '26's. Can't really improve on these, I don't think. The only 26 I ever had that could've been aged was a 35 - it was punched and became tarry (probably because it was punched). I've smoked '26's up to a year after buying them - they are just as good if not better right out of the store.

I figure there are few specifics because opinions on flavor can be very subjective. I'm going to ask around - I've been curious too about which ones age best and which ones really don't benefit. I've always heard isom's for sure. Except for the PD4s.

[CgarDan]

Great start so far I will name the winner for this week either on the weekend or Monday ( will most likelly be traveling this weekend ).

Keep the info coming !!!

And a bonus quetion for this week

How can I find out the date when the cigar was produced if its not an ISOM assuming I have the oroginal box will that help ?

[basil]

Also, the Oliva site recommends their new Special S line be aged 5 years.

They also have this:

Recommended Aging
High Primes (Thicker Wrappers) Maduro/Habano/Corojo/Habano 2000/Criollo/Sumatra/3-7 years

2-3 Primes (Medium Wrappers) Low Primes/Ecuador Connecticut/2-5 years

1st Cut (Thinner Wrappers) USA Connecticut/Cameroon/1-4 years.

These last three lines have been the closest thing to "rule of thumb" that I've seen. However, a dollar says someone, beginning with manufacturers, all the way to consumers, will have a rule for their line, EL, personal fav, or something, that will cut right across these recommendations.

[CgarDan]

Great start every one keep the info coming along

Week one winner is Basil Pm me your addy thanks

[basil]

Hell yeah - awesome. I'm still waiting to hear back from a friend who may know more about aging.
pm sent

[brian]

August 1, 2006

by Nick Perdomo

Recently I was asked about my view of the aging process. Keep in mind that humidor aging, or proper storage and humidity for finished cigars, differs from the process of aging tobacco prior to making cigars. Humidor aging is what I'm talking about here.

Well, lets start. The first thing about properly aging your cigars is to ensure your cigars utilize fine tobaccos in the blend, including a high quality binder and wrapper. For instance if you and I were going to cook up some great steaks - bear with me on this explanation - and you had the super duper $4,000 grill, extra virgin olive oil, the very best sea salt, and the finest ground pepper, but you bought a steak at the local supermarket that has been there for who knows how long. But I have my $50 charcoal grill with my trusty Perdomo salt and pepper shaker, yet I buy the finest cut of beef at Stock Yard steaks in Chicago....guess which one is going to be better. Naturally, my steak is going to kick ass. The very same is true on humidor aging of your cigars. If your cigar was made poorly with substandard fillers, binder and a so-so wrapper and you put it in the finest CI humidor with a perfect 65% humidity and you age it in this great humidor for one or two years - you know what you have? That's right: a one to two year old, awful cigar. Garbage in, garbage out.

Nick's personal humidor at work

Make sure your humidor has a nice seal. The inside should be lined with fine Spanish cedar and your humidification unit moistened with distilled water as needed. Now season the humidor. What I mean by that is, dampen a cloth and wipe down all the cedar inside. The cedar will turn a darker color of course because it is wet. Close the humidor for about three hours. When you open it again, the Spanish cedar will have absorbed all of the water and the humidification device will humidify the cigars correctly. Now the kicker: put in good cigars (most of the time Perdomo cigars of course) in your humidor. The best cigars for aging are those with medium to full flavors and a nice aroma. These types of cigars are most receptive for aging, and after six months they are often enhanced dramatically. Personally, I believe if you let them age for over two years they often start to lose their flavor and aroma.

Okay, I must go now my thumbs are sore from typing.

Until next time,
Nick

Link to actual article: http://www.cigarsinternational.com/html/perdomoBlog.asp

[CgarDan]

Hell yeah - awesome. I'm still waiting to hear back from a friend who may know more about aging.
pm sent

Ted package is on the way DC # 0306 0320 0003 9159 2421

[AshLvr]

There are many cigars, like certain wines, that deliver the best flavors
upon a reasonable amount of 'aging'.[/LEFT]

[BigMacFU]

Wow, talk about resurrecting a dead thread.

[TheSilentChamber]

"Cigar" in "CgarDan" is misspelled. Perhaps if you were aged in a box for a year, you would indeed be differnt, possably with more time in the box you would start to produce plume or bloom- but this is not certain at this time. One question everyone will ask is "should I age CgarDan in or out of the cellophane- and this is a humdinger as many cannot agree, but overall everyone knows it really does not matter. If we were to be taking CgarDan out of the humidor and moving him around quiet frequently I would opt to keep the cello on to protect CgarDan. To find the box code on CgarDan you usually have to rummage though his things till you find some sort of Identification, unlike cubans CgarDan does not have a difinative place that the date code will allways be, sometimes it can be in his wallet, in the console of his car, even on the dresser at home. CgarDan comes only in one size and vinage, as well as wrapper- but I hear the longer you age CgarDan, these things can change in perportion, texture, and even color. Overall, I do not know if I prefer aged CgarDan over fresh CgarDan strait out of the box, its ultimatly a matter of personal opinion.

[CgarDan]

"Cigar" in "CgarDan" is misspelled. Perhaps if you were aged in a box for a year, you would indeed be differnt, possably with more time in the box you would start to produce plume or bloom- but this is not certain at this time. One question everyone will ask is "should I age CgarDan in or out of the cellophane- and this is a humdinger as many cannot agree, but overall everyone knows it really does not matter. If we were to be taking CgarDan out of the humidor and moving him around quiet frequently I would opt to keep the cello on to protect CgarDan. To find the box code on CgarDan you usually have to rummage though his things till you find some sort of Identification, unlike cubans CgarDan does not have a difinative place that the date code will allways be, sometimes it can be in his wallet, in the console of his car, even on the dresser at home. CgarDan comes only in one size and vinage, as well as wrapper- but I hear the longer you age CgarDan, these things can change in perportion, texture, and even color. Overall, I do not know if I prefer aged CgarDan over fresh CgarDan strait out of the box, its ultimatly a matter of personal opinion.

Interesting and a bit scary at the same time ... sort of twilight zone like

[CgarDan]

Week 2 winner is Brian. Pm me your addy thanks

[TheSilentChamber]

I thought it was "these to be your own observations not those of your friends "?

[basil]

Right you are TSC. My last post is an email from a friend in the business, on an international level.

What I appreciate about his reply is that he didn't (nor does he ever) try to slide a bunch of bullshit by.

I've dangled a preposition, but fuck it.

This is not much info, and it basically covers only one brand. I'd intended to submit it with my first round of answers and I don't expect CDan to consider it a "new" entry.

[CgarDan]

This is a pretty general comment not a cigar specific review ( Ex 2006 smoked like this 2002 aged 4 years smoked like this.) I think general comments are welcome from any sources as they are just stats to come to some kind of consenus with time


If anyone does have some specifics to give like mentioned in the Ex that would be really great

Great job guys keep it up

[brian]

Someone told me that Tatuaje puts dates on their boxes.
I'll keep you posted if I hear of any other nonISOMs that put the production date on their boxes.
Gran Habanos now have date stamped boxes I have been told.

Also this came up I thought interesting:
"Isom's have a boxing date,not a rolled date. If you really want to split hairs, the date on the box is when it was placed in a box, not when it was rolled."

Great start so far I will name the winner for this week either on the weekend or Monday ( will most likelly be traveling this weekend ).

Keep the info coming !!!

And a bonus quetion for this week

How can I find out the date when the cigar was produced if its not an ISOM assuming I have the oroginal box will that help ?

[CgarDan]

Brian your package went out DC # 0306 0320 0003 9156 2438

[brian]

Cool. Thanks bud.

[brian]

Brian your package went out DC # 0306 0320 0003 9156 2438

Recieved package today. Great sticks, thanks alot bro!