A president or a self proclaimed pope

[CgarDan]

I am sorry if this will get heated as some of these toics do but reading this quote in the paper made me want to share how far our president's mind has floated.

This is not about Dems Vs Republicans

This is however about how the foundations of our country are built on the seperation of church and state and should in my opinion remain that way

SO here is an excerpt from the article about Mel Gibson's crazy stint.

The Gibson tirade even drew the atention yesterday of White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, who said President Busf feels Gibson should be allowed to repair the damage he has done.
" The president believes in the forgiveness of sins for all who seek forgiveness," Snow said

In my opinion the president has a lot more pressing issues to deal with than speak on the sin forgivenss which should be left to the clergy

[WhiteWidow]

I honestly don't give a crap. Personally I get tired of the god stuff out of him but no more than I do anyone else.

As long as they don't start making us go to church I don't care - that crap is boring.

[SmokinDVM]

[slcraiders]

WTF?

Not cool at all. Politics aside, let's not get religious. That emoticrap - monkey pissing on a (whatever title you want to use depending on denomination) is purely out of line. Grow up, please.

[Empire23]

Im sure Bush's quote was because someone in the press asked him about it and he responded. Its his opinion and nothing more. If he were to step in and speak to Gibson personally, then that would be different.

[heftysmokes]

WTF?

Not cool at all. Politics aside, let's not get religious. That emoticrap - monkey pissing on a (whatever title you want to use depending on denomination) is purely out of line. Grow up, please.

I'm with SLC.

[mauied1101]

I try to stay out of these threads - but I gotta say - desecration of any religion (or icons depicting) - is diving into troubled waters. And to go a bit deeper, people won't die for their political beliefs, but they will for their religious ones. This is just pushing the edge a little too far.

[SmokinDVM]

WTF?

Not cool at all. Politics aside, let's not get religious. That emoticrap - monkey pissing on a (whatever title you want to use depending on denomination) is purely out of line. Grow up, please.

My post was completely apropos. It adequately expressed my disdain for dumbya, as well as his religious bullshit. He needs to keep his fantasy life to himself.

[slcraiders]

I admit that I oversensitized things. Come to think of it, I have album covers that could be considered more offensive.

[SuperChuck]

Damn, I missed all the fun...

The separation of church and state is probably one of the most misunderstood parts of the US government. The church and state are separate entities, as in segregated, as in separate but equal. As in not the same.

Consider the situation in England, who previously ruled over the American Colonies. In England, the church is run by the monarch.
(Side note: if you want a good laugh, stand outside Westminster Abbey on a Sunday morning and watch the brothers try to explain to American Catholics that the Church of England is not Roman Catholic)

In this new nation, they didn't want to end up in the same mess. So, they made sure they were separate. As kind of a side-effect, we get more free religion. "Freedom of religion" is not explicit in the Bill of Rights, but if the government is not allowed to meddle in the affairs of the church, it's implied.

Without getting into the effect of Freemasonry on the formation of the United States, you find pseudo-religious stuff all over in government. The formation documents are littered with references to God or Providence. On the obverse of the Great Seal, we find the Eye of Providence. When George Washington takes the oath of office, his response is "So help me God" (this has since been added to the oath). Bibles are still used for oaths.

The founding fathers in no way envisioned a secular state, but they didn't envision a nation ruled by religious whim, either. They envisioned a rational state in which the two are balanced. (Notably, this is where the issue of the Ten Commandments comes complicated; is it religious law or a legal basis?)

So WTF is my point?

The President is free to have his own religious beliefs. He is free to express them. He should express them as his personal beliefs. He is not trying to impose his religious beliefs on the people, nor is he trying to run the church from the oval office. Church and state are separate and we can all go home.

Since I rambled on and on about the Bill of Rights, I might as well entertain with a trivia question...

How many states were represented at the Constitutional Convention?

[cinda]

hummmmmmmm when I saw this I thought he meant that the pope was really Bush. I got that based on the article and knowing how he feels about the President. I did not take it that is was peeing all over Catholics. Anyhow this place is mild compared to most boards in the way of over all offensive. One thing this is done with out question is you guys make fun of fat woman a lot and you do not see me whining! LMAO Just thought a throw that in

[SmokinDVM]

hummmmmmmm when I saw this I thought he meant that the pope was really Bush. I got that based on the article and knowing how he feels about the President. I did not take it that is was peeing all over Catholics. Anyhow this place is mild compared to most boards in the way of over all offensive. One thing this is done with out question is you guys make fun of fat woman a lot and you do not see me whining! LMAO Just thought a throw that in

Are you gonna take me home tonight?
Ah, down beside that red firelight;
Are you gonna let it all hang out?
Fat bottomed girls,
You make the rockin' world go round.

Hey
I was just a skinny lad
Never knew no good from bad,
But I knew life before I left my nursery,
Left alone with big fat Fanny,
She was such a naughty nanny!
Heap big woman you made a bad boy out of me!
Hey, hey!

I've been singing with my band
Across the wire, across the land,
I seen ev'ry blue eyed floozy on the way, hey
But their beauty and their style
Wear kind of smooth after a while.
Take me to them lardy ladies every time!

(C'mon)
Oh won't you take me home tonight?
Oh down beside your red firelight,
Oh and you give it all you got
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round

Hey listen here,
Now I got mortgages on homes
I got stiffness in my bones
Ain't no beauty queens in this locality. (I tell ya!)
Oh, but I still get my pleasure
Still got my greatest treasure.
Heap big woman you done made a big man out-of me!
Now get this!

Oh, you gonna take me home tonight (please)
Ah, down beside that red firelight
Oh, you gonna let it all hang out
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round
GET ON YOUR BIKES AND RIDE!

Oooh yeah oh yeah them fat bottomed girls
Fat bottomed girls
Yeah yeah yeah
all right
ride 'em cowboy
Fat bottomed girls
Yes yes

[cinda]

I am sorry if this will get heated as some of these topics do but reading this quote in the paper made me want to share how far our president's mind has floated.

This is not about Dems Vs Republicans

This is however about how the foundations of our country are built on the separation of church and state and should in my opinion remain that way

SO here is an excerpt from the article about Mel Gibson's crazy stint.

The Gibson tirade even drew the attention yesterday of White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, who said President Bush feels Gibson should be allowed to repair the damage he has done.
" The president believes in the forgiveness of sins for all who seek forgiveness," Snow said

In my opinion the president has a lot more pressing issues to deal with than speak on the sin forgiveness which should be left to the clergy