I don't believe it

**jaewing** · 08-10-2006, 10:51 AM

"neocons" "neopukes" "chickenhawk" ????

DVM . . . why don't you try to have an intelligent debate without name calling. It makes you look 12 years old. If you have to resort to calling names then you have lost the argument.

**Kenyth** · 08-10-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by jaewing

"neocons" "neopukes" "chickenhawk" ????

DVM . . . why don't you try to have an intelligent debate without name calling. It makes you look 12 years old. If you have to resort to calling names then you have lost the argument.

Thank you. Intelligent discourse needs to be well structured and compelling. Points should be made with either some direct evidence, or a reasonably reliable source. You are also completely entitled to express your opinion, but you should make sure and specify it is your opinion. You can accompany it with a description of the logical thought process that leads you to believe it as being true. Constant name calling and unsubstantiated statements presented as "God's Truth" do nothing but detract from your argument. It sounds like the kind of emotional speak used to incite a riot.

**Shelby07** · 08-10-2006, 01:13 PM

I've said this before, but I think it's worth repeating.

I may not like Barry's style of debate, but I think he can bring good points to the table. If I didn't think he had some intelligence I wouldn't be participating.

I don't believe that Barry has ever been disrespectful to me personally and I hope I have not been disrespectful to him. Our styles are different, but we both have differing opinions that have been formed in varying ways. Barry lives in NY, I live in Colorado and sometimes it's difficult for us to understand why our views are not shared by everyone. But views and opinions need to be questioned constantly. Although Barry is sometimes overly passionate about his beliefs, I think that's ok. My goal is to gather facts and information that I may not have seen before, and I'm not going to let his passion get in the way of anything he can enlighten me on. I think it is fruitless to discuss issues with people who agree with me.

I am also disappointed by many things that this administration is doing, I do believe, however, that at this point in time the current administration is what we need to carry out their primary responsibility of protecting us. I believe that the destruction of the WTC could have been avoided if past administrations held a firmer hand and didn't worry so much about public opinion and polls. Barry disagrees, and I can understand why. The outcome has been less than stellar. But I think our biggest disagreement is that he is willing to make a change for change's sake and I am not.

So Barry, aside from style, I want to tell you that I AM interested in your point of view. Tell me what you think and let me tell you what I think, and maybe we can both learn something. And if it turns out that I am wrong in some of my beliefs, all the better.