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    Quote Originally Posted by Roham
    Ban CC! lol That'd remedy it... The knowledge he has is useless with an attitude like that... I would listen to an ape who has never smoked a cigar before tell me about his opinion of stogies rather then CC.... At least the ape wouldn't berate everyone....
    Ban CC

    *so sick of cc and happy there is finaly something being attempted *

    PS Doesn't really care if he is banned or not... just my two cents......

    That'll remedy what, Roham? Maybe the ape wouldn't berate people, but smoke a cigar with an ape and I think you'll be tossed around like a Samsonite suitcase...

    The sad part of this post, is you REALLY don't know CC. If you knew CC, you wouldn't so vigorously be trying to ban him. He doesn't have an "attitude", as you say, unless there is good reason for it. He is outspoken, definitely, but is a very knowledgeable and decent person.

    It's really sad he's been called out several times - "baited", so to speak. You, Roham, are one of those that did. He has responded with sarcasm when he was treated by you with sarcasm. You haven't exactly been an angel through all of this.

    As they say, Roham - "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander" While you may not have necessarily been as vocal as CC, you certainly have been vocal, sarcastic and expressive in your posts - to me and others who you associated with the "evil" CC, even though they had done nothing wrong - and YOU need to quit that too!!!

    As far as being banned - correct me if I'm wrong, CC - but I only know of one banning from a cigar board that you've been victim of - and that would be LTC. Of course, they banned EVERYONE who didn't talk nice, or were associated with people who didn't talk nice (kind of like your immature attitude, Roham). I posted ONCE and I was banned - and all I posted was this funny picture:

    http://www.cigarphotos.com/albums/userpics/10070/normal_PB%20Party.jpg

    This was true ESPECIALLY if the person disagreed in the slightest with any of the mods or the site owner. And there were people banned over there that had no BUSINESS being banned (people like you, Roham - think about that...). The bannings were due, primarily, to the immaturity of the site owner - not realizing that a viable online community has to express itself without much interference. That's why CC refers to the LTC site as the "Island of Misfit Toys" - they created a cloistered community - locked out to the public - and talked with one another (amongst other things) about how there were "spies" amongst them...

    That's why all of the initial posts here about Oblik were of the nature they were. And it appears to me that Oblik is maturing in his responsibilities here. That's obvious from his interaction with CC. Oblik - I think you're on the right track!!!

    From my perspective, knowing SFG from another board, I see something going on that is VERY similar to the "baiting" some complain about here, just not nearly as obvious but equally sinister. While SFG is not responding to CC's comments, he has been posting quite a few trivial nonsense threads which he KNOWS will draw CC out - the more CC responds, the more he posts. And he knows WHY it will draw CC out - because there are unresolved issues between CC and SFG (and a bunch of other people, for that matter). I will tell you that if CC were to tell others SFG is posting here, there would be at least a few others who would like to chime in. Obviously, that's not happened because I suspect CC KNOWS where that would lead (and it ain't pretty!!!).

    I was on the sidelines as the war of words that was going on between SFG and other members of the CP community - and I was TRULY saddened by what I saw. SFG was not banned from CP because someone believed it to be expedient to do so. He was banned because of his EXTREMELY rude and obnoxious behavior between two sites (CP and LTC) (the culmination of which was the "CPFU Pass" on LTC, and I don't need to tell you what the "FU" means - PRIOR TO HIS BEING BANNED AT CP). Rod, the site owner asked about it, and Scott let Rod have it. Very few know EXACTLY what Scott said to Rod, but whatever it was, it was good - because Scott was done on the CP site VERY shortly afterwards - and Rod has not talked about it. 2,000 members of CP, and only FOUR have ever been banned speaks volumes....

    Thank you Hex for allowing public discussion and comment on this issue. I think EVERYONE who has a vested interest in this site should have the ability to openly discuss this issue. Irregardless of their personal views. I assure you that once this week long furor dies down (short in the great scheme of things), and CC is seen for who is is, you will all regret feeling the way you do (except maybe SFG, who's got some SERIOUS bridge mending to do...)

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    ggeise. i respectfully disagree with your take on roham "baiting" CC in this. Roham started out just asking for the bashing to stop, as did a few of us, me included. We understood the stuff going on about Oblik and had heard enough and asked for it to drop, so we could just get past it, if you read back in the threads involved, the name calling and badmouthing originated with CC and a few of you guys.

    Now I freely admit AFTER THAT WAS INITIATED, I got ruffled and continued way longer than was warranted, but still, my posts never included the antagonistic name calling that was contained in CC's posts(and still contained in his posts elswhere on the board today).

    Coventry tried his best to INFER from my posts any bit of offensiveness he could in order to justify his rancor, and usually followed it with an insult of some kind.

    THIS IS THE BEHAVIOR THAT IS AT ISSUE!

    I can't speak for Roham but to hear you say that Coventry is innocent because he is just being "baited" by other members is quite unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labmonkey
    ggeise. i respectfully disagree with your take on roham "baiting" CC in this. Roham started out just asking for the bashing to stop, as did a few of us, me included. We understood the stuff going on about Oblik and had heard enough and asked for it to drop, so we could just get past it, if you read back in the threads involved, the name calling and badmouthing originated with CC and a few of you guys.

    Now I freely admit AFTER THAT WAS INITIATED, I got ruffled and continued way longer than was warranted, but still, my posts never included the antagonistic name calling that was contained in CC's posts(and still contained in his posts elswhere on the board today).

    Coventry tried his best to INFER from my posts any bit of offensiveness he could in order to justify his rancor, and usually followed it with an insult of some kind.

    THIS IS THE BEHAVIOR THAT IS AT ISSUE!

    I can't speak for Roham but to hear you say that Coventry is innocent because he is just being "baited" by other members is quite unbelievable.
    Labmoney, you too are on the short list of individuals that have been sarcastic and rude, and then claim that it was the other that started it. You've been in the thick of this saying some pretty obnoxious things, "AFTER THAT WAS INITIATED". It doesn't take much to infer anything from your posts - you've made it pretty clear how you feel... Your participation in this came AFTER you participated - not before. CC was not posting at you, but in RESPONSE to you - in other words, the fur didn't start flying until you jumped in with both feet. Don't play the innocent now....

    So don't dump this crap about CC not being innocent because he was being baited by other members being unbelievable - what's unbelievable is your insistance that you and Roham (and others) are not to blame... You don't want sarcastic comments made towards you, don't make sarcastic comments to others. It's that simple...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese
    Labmoney, you too are on the short list of individuals that have been sarcastic and rude, and then claim that it was the other that started it. You've been in the thick of this saying some pretty obnoxious things, "AFTER THAT WAS INITIATED". It doesn't take much to infer anything from your posts - you've made it pretty clear how you feel... Your participation in this came AFTER you participated - not before. CC was not posting at you, but in RESPONSE to you - in other words, the fur didn't start flying until you jumped in with both feet. Don't play the innocent now....

    So don't dump this crap about CC not being innocent because he was being baited by other members being unbelievable - what's unbelievable is your insistance that you and Roham (and others) are not to blame... You don't want sarcastic comments made towards you, don't make sarcastic comments to others. It's that simple...
    labmonkey's made it pretty clear to me and in public that he's accepting part of the blame here. I think everyone needs to take a step back from this and just relax. Is that too much to ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hex1848
    labmonkey's made it pretty clear to me and in public that he's accepting part of the blame here. I think everyone needs to take a step back from this and just relax. Is that too much to ask?
    Hex - he keeps "admitting" his part in it - yet continues to act the part - then apologizes - then does it again... Sorry, but he needs to re-read all of his previous posts. He's not ANYWHERE near as innocent as he's saying he is, or being portrayed in this... Even with the apologies...

    Apology is one thing, remorse if quite another thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese
    Hex - he keeps "admitting" his part in it - yet continues to act the part - then apologizes - then does it again... Sorry, but he needs to re-read all of his previous posts. He's not ANYWHERE near as innocent as he's saying he is, or being portrayed in this... Even with the apologies...

    Apology is one thing, remorse if quite another thing.
    The exact same thing can be said about most of the individuals involved in this situation. What I'm trying to do here is find a common threshold and move on.

    This whole matter does absolutely nothing but breed bad taste and does nothing for the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese
    Hex - he keeps "admitting" his part in it - yet continues to act the part - then apologizes - then does it again... Sorry, but he needs to re-read all of his previous posts. He's not ANYWHERE near as innocent as he's saying he is, or being portrayed in this... Even with the apologies...

    Apology is one thing, remorse if quite another thing.
    And I guess my point is I am apparently the only one who is willing to admit having a part in this, apologize and get past it. That is why I said this is a two way street. several others involved still just want to justify their actions and point the finger.

    That is the only reason I have brought it up multiple times.

    How long do we have to be told that we should appreciate CC's behavior because it's for our own good when it's very obvious from the first post in this thread that quite a few members want him to chill out (by the way, not a single one of those comments came from me)?

    And I am not talking about CC as a person....just his behavior on this board and how he conducts himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese
    Hex - he keeps "admitting" his part in it - yet continues to act the part - then apologizes - then does it again... Sorry, but he needs to re-read all of his previous posts. He's not ANYWHERE near as innocent as he's saying he is, or being portrayed in this... Even with the apologies...

    Apology is one thing, remorse if quite another thing.

    I hope you are older then CC(I think CC is around 40 from one of his previous posts) because you sure act like his big brother... Always sticken up for him!

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    As far as being banned - correct me if I'm wrong, CC - but I only know of one banning from a cigar board that you've been victim of - and that would be LTC.
    Actually George, I was never a member at LTC. My "problem" with LTC was how they treated my friends like you, hudsonvalley, Leebo, SamClemmons, Moheganson, BkCloud, alexgtp, gtphale, Monte2, HughJorgan (and the list goes on and on) with their stupidity and random bannings.

    Since the Island meltdown over this past weekend, they have the old version of the site up and running so I read Zac's post where he said he'd be the only mod so I figured I'd sign up. Since Zac refuses to validate my membership, I guess I won't be posting over there, oh well......

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