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    I doubt it but we'll see. Not all Dems are anti gun and not all Pubs are gun toting neanderthals ( I am though)
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    Guns are just Darwinism with style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7 View Post
    I doubt it but we'll see. Not all Dems are anti gun and not all Pubs are gun toting neanderthals ( I am though)
    K7 is right, I come from a long line of Democrat gun-toting neanderthals and I carry on the tradition proudly.

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    I doubt Bush would sign anything like that even if it were passed. You gotta remember that back in 1993 and 1994, the Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress AND the White House. When they had control of everything, they were perceived by some as going too far on some things which is why they were tossed out of Congress in the 1994 elections.

    Rest easy, at least until 2008. My guess is that the Democrats in Congress will pass all kinds of crazy things in the next two years that Bush won't sign and depending on what people want, they'll do one of two things:

    1. The "split" deal, leave a Republican in control of the Executive Branch while letting the Democrats keep control of Congress. This has been happening here in New England for quite some time. Many Democratic party leaders actually love it because they pass their legislation, the Republican Governor vetos it and the Democrats have a Boogey Man to blame all the problems on.

    2. Give the Democrats control of everything. I actually look forward to this scenario, much like California under Gray Davis. If the Democrats go crazy (which I think they will) this will give the American public a dose of how NOT to run the country and the people will revolt in 2010 and 2012 and show them the door. However, if the Democrats actually do a GOOD job (ya never know....) then that would be great for everyone and they'll keep power for a while until they screw it up.
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    So in the meantime, what kind of guns do y'all endorse? If someone was looking to own/buy a gun, what would you gun toters recomend?
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    I like my Taurus PT140
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7 View Post
    I like my Taurus PT140
    I've been shopping for a new concealed carry pistol recently and have about made up my mind on the PT145. Have you encountered any drawbacks with these weapons, Kevin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by croatan View Post
    I've been shopping for a new concealed carry pistol recently and have about made up my mind on the PT145. Have you encountered any drawbacks with these weapons, Kevin?
    I am not an expert on handguns by any means as I have limited expirence with them. I do however like the Tarus and Candy shoots it just fine. I am not a collector, I am the type of guy who sees a gun as a tool and dont show it off and suck. I like to plink stuff with it and I feel that if the day comes where I have to defend my life or my familys life I want a tool that will function as designed. I wold never pull it out to threaten someone,the only time it would be used is to shoot to kill.

    I have no opinion of calibers and their stopping power but I can say 3 months ago a burgular broke into a co workers home and the burgular left in a body bag with 2- 9mm holes in his chest .

    These are my stated opinions only and I won't debate them with anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabaiguan Juan View Post
    So in the meantime, what kind of guns do y'all endorse? If someone was looking to own/buy a gun, what would you gun toters recomend?
    Usually a Glock 23 (.40 cal) or my Taurus .38 Spl with a concealed hammer to throw in my pocket.

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    well I'm a gun loving Dem. The beretta is just not as practical as a Glock 22. Up to 17 rounds of .4 versus 15 of 9mm or 11 of .4 makes a huge difference. Although truth be told I am always a little sceptical of the SAS system preferring a traditional safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabaiguan Juan View Post
    So in the meantime, what kind of guns do y'all endorse? If someone was looking to own/buy a gun, what would you gun toters recomend?
    I'd recomend first learning how to use one. Then and only then don't buy anything that doesn't say .45 ACP

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    My weapon of choice is the Glock 33 in .357 Sig. With added finger extension on the magazine and Tritium night sights.


    Each particular round has it's pro's and con's. .45 caliber is a slower moving heavy hitter with a large slug, but the stubby thick round jams a little easier than others while reducing magazine capacity. It makes a good home defense round. Good stopping power.

    9mm auto (or .35 calicber) doesn't have near the power of the .45, but the much higher magazine capacity and negligible recoil in a longer barreled weapon make it perfect for applications needing a high rate of fire. It's great for law enforcement and military applications, where extended firefights are more commonplace. It's the round of choice for sub-machine guns.
    .38 Special (which is actually .35 caliber IIRC) is the standard revolver round commonly used in CC handguns. It's low recoil and cost makes it a good round for target practice, women, the elderly, or small framed people in general who may find a heavy recoil uncomfortable. A revolvers simple operation makes it a good choice for people interested in self defense without becoming a firearms enthusiast. These two round's (9mm auto and .38 special) remain the most popular handgun calibers for those reasons.

    .40/10mm are all mid-sized compromise's and have approximately equal sized slugs.

    The .357 Magnum is basically a .38 special with an obscene amount of powder in the case. As a matter of fact, you can fire .38 special rounds from a .357 magnum revolver.

    You've got plenty of other round's with different cases, powder loads, slug weights, etc. Barrel length plays just as important a role as the ammo. The longer a barrel is, the more accurate it is, the lower the recoil, and the more of the powder's energy is transferred to the slug.

    I started out liking the .45 in a single action (and still do for target accuracy in a long barelled gun), but was unsatisfied with the feed reliability in compact CC handguns, and I also disliked single action for a CC weapon. Carrying a cocked hammer is worrysome and having to cock it before firing is a waste of valuable time in an emergency. The light double action is really a superior mechanism for the self defense handgun. The Glock is a great weapon. Extremely reliable. It has not jammed on me a single time since owning it. Not ONCE.
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