Bpp

[Dickson]

With all due respect, I don't feel like I need to get him to do either of those things. BPP and I have never talked politics as it is not an arena that I subscribe to. He has looked out for me and others and I will treat him with the respect that should be given. As for Politics and meltdowns, this is not why I started this thread. That said, can we at least stay on the topic. If not........

[CoventryCat86]

With all due respect, I don't feel like I need to get him to do either of those things. BPP and I have never talked politics as it is not an arena that I subscribe to. He has looked out for me and others and I will treat him with the respect that should be given. As for Politics and meltdowns, this is not why I started this thread. That said, can we at least stay on the topic. If not........

Okay, you started this thread because you were wondering where Sid was.
He responded by claiming he was "tired of being stalked" which is bullshit.
I stated he wasn't being stalked.
Shelby inferred that people don't want Sid here.
I replied I didn't think that was the case.

Sid was never disrepsectful to you but he has been to others and his propensity to meltdown and bring his politics to this board has caused problems in the past which is why he's sulking and not participating as much as he did in the past. While you and he have never "talked politics" with one another, Sid's past discussions of "politics" and continued references to it aren't doing him any good here.

Since you want to see him more involved here, I gave you some suggestions to help you attain your goal.

You don't want to listen to me and that's fine but I don't understand your complaint what I've been posting here in this thread is off "topic" because it most definitely is relevant to the matter at hand whether your want to admit it or not.

[Dickson]

I apologize if I upset you in anyway.

[CoventryCat86]

I apologize if I upset you in anyway.

Oh no, you didn't upset me at all.

[cigar no baka]

Okay, you started this thread because you were wondering where Sid was.
He responded by claiming he was "tired of being stalked" which is bullshit.
I stated he wasn't being stalked.
Shelby inferred that people don't want Sid here.
I replied I didn't think that was the case.

Sid was never disrepsectful to you but he has been to others and his propensity to meltdown and bring his politics to this board has caused problems in the past which is why he's sulking and not participating as much as he did in the past. While you and he have never "talked politics" with one another, Sid's past discussions of "politics" and continued references to it aren't doing him any good here.

Since you want to see him more involved here, I gave you some suggestions to help you attain your goal.

You don't want to listen to me and that's fine but I don't understand your complaint what I've been posting here in this thread is off "topic" because it most definitely is relevant to the matter at hand whether your want to admit it or not.

Exactly.

[ggiese]

I guess if you do things to offend others because you're pissed off, you can either apologize and carry on - or just sulk in a corner somewhere, ignoring others in the community. Sulking seems to be a new trend lately. Although - there are a fair number of those that just pretend like it never happened and try to wish the problem away.

I'm sure one day the memory of things said in anger will fade away... Soimeday...

[Dickson]

I can appreciate people being upset but, I learned the hard way once. Before I go pointing the finger at anyone. I had best look at what I did to contribute to the angst. I still screw the second part up but, I'm a work in progress. What can I say?

[hex1848]

I guess if you do things to offend others because you're pissed off, you can either apologize and carry on - or just sulk in a corner somewhere, ignoring others in the community. Sulking seems to be a new trend lately. Although - there are a fair number of those that just pretend like it never happened and try to wish the problem away.

I'm sure one day the memory of things said in anger will fade away... Soimeday...

I am one of the ones who might be seen as "pretending it never happened". I don't see it like that at all. I think things have gone too far for too long and it just does not make sense to me that a group of grown men can't let bygones be bygones. I'm honestly getting to the point where warnings are not going to be given.

I founded Cigarsmokers.com to be a community where like minded people can share information and learn more about cigars and the lifestyle. I've never liked the back and forth bickering and over zealous attacks on people for what ever the reason. I've let it slide for so long because I think for the most part that problems should be worked out for themselves. But we are now to the point where people who I respect and contribute greatly to the forum are starting to be run off. That’s not what I ever intended when I made this a member moderated community.

I’m mulling things over right now, but I would expect some policy changes here in the next few days.

I'm moving this thread into Politics.

[Dickson]

Hex,

I apologize if I started anything here. I try to be everyones friend and when I hadn't seen BPP for a while. I was concerned. If you'd like to wipe this thread out in its entirety(sp). I support that. If there is anything I can do in the future to help out know that I am here.

Respectfully,
Dickson

P.S. I don't do politics so I guess this is my last on this thread.

[cigarsarge]

Hex,
If you'd like to wipe this thread out in its entirety(sp). I support that.

Gotta disagree with that...Deleting posts is not a good practice. I've seen it done by moderators of other boards. This resulted in a loss of credibility for them when one side of the argument was lost. Once credibility is lost it's really hard to get it back.

Dickson...I see nothing wrong with your post questioning where bpp was. It's a normal reaction to wonder where a member that has posted frequently and suddenly stopped has gone.

[CoventryCat86]

I am one of the ones who might be seen as "pretending it never happened". I don't see it like that at all. I think things have gone too far for too long and it just does not make sense to me that a group of grown men can't let bygones be bygones. I'm honestly getting to the point where warnings are not going to be given.

I founded Cigarsmokers.com to be a community where like minded people can share information and learn more about cigars and the lifestyle. I've never liked the back and forth bickering and over zealous attacks on people for what ever the reason. I've let it slide for so long because I think for the most part that problems should be worked out for themselves. But we are now to the point where people who I respect and contribute greatly to the forum are starting to be run off. That’s not what I ever intended when I made this a member moderated community.

I’m mulling things over right now, but I would expect some policy changes here in the next few days.

I'm moving this thread into Politics.

No one is running Sid off here. Members have done things in the past that don't sit well with other people and it usually works out. Everyone isn't going to "like" everyone here ever, it just won't happen.

In Sid's case, he lost his temper and never apologized for it. Some people don't think this is a big deal while others do. He knows it's a problem and it's in HIS hands to fix it and claiming he's being "stalked" only adds to the problem rather than working towards a solution. I'm still not happy with him calling me on the phone and screaming at me and I feel he owes me an apology for that.

My guess is that if he had treated some of you the way he treated me, you'd feel differently.

[SmokinDVM]

Some people just can't seem to get that bug out of their ass.

[ggiese]

I am one of the ones who might be seen as "pretending it never happened". I don't see it like that at all. I think things have gone too far for too long and it just does not make sense to me that a group of grown men can't let bygones be bygones. I'm honestly getting to the point where warnings are not going to be given.

I founded Cigarsmokers.com to be a community where like minded people can share information and learn more about cigars and the lifestyle. I've never liked the back and forth bickering and over zealous attacks on people for what ever the reason. I've let it slide for so long because I think for the most part that problems should be worked out for themselves. But we are now to the point where people who I respect and contribute greatly to the forum are starting to be run off. That’s not what I ever intended when I made this a member moderated community.

I’m mulling things over right now, but I would expect some policy changes here in the next few days.

I'm moving this thread into Politics.

Hex - you can do whatever you please - this is, after all, your board... But - I really wish you would reflect on where we are - and more importantly - where we've been.

Through a fairly short process (in terms of the boards life), over a fairly long period we've become a "member moderated" board. You made that choice a long time ago, after some pretty vicious back and forth debating. Through that process, though, amazingly, thoese that were feuding ending up showing mutual respect. And now, I believe, appreciate the others from a new perspective. Had you stifled that - I really don't think we'd be where we are.

But - there is some tremendous value to that - although the obvious disadvantage to that approach is the community decides what is the tone for the board - not the mods or admin. But, the community, and the bonds within it, become stronger because of it.

I suppose you can fight that - and set the tone for the board. The obvious ultimate outcome will most likely be going against the democracy we've created. This is a community of individuals who accept being a part of this board - both good and bad - and truly do show tremendous loyalty to it.

I have no problem with one not wanting to further discuss a bad situation and moving on. I personally think someone who goes off the deep end during a debate should offer an apology for their behavior. But honestly - the apology doesn't matter nearly as much as the persons behavior from that point forward.

I do like being a part of this community - even with those that I wouldn't want to share a room with. I would think others would feel the same way I do. I'm not looking to build walls in the community - I hate walls!!! You won't find me sulking around - if I'm not happy with coming here - I'm outta here. It's a simple as that! I'm not going to try and force a square peg into a round hole...

You start moderating the crap out of this board and you will build walls. Please don't think short term - think long term. This "battle" between the FOG's really is only a short term problem. It really will pass...