I'm not gonna vote on this because frankly it is plain stupid. I come on this site everyday and read damn near every thread posted and to say that Shelby and BPP have been sitting around quiet as church mice for the past few months while Bill has been hounding them is just plain lying. Does Bill have a history of stalking behaviour? Yes he does, but Sid has been doing some pretty stupid and out of line crap as well, that youtube thing towards Chris just the tip of the iceberg, and for Shelby to come to his aid simply because it was Bill who took Sid to task for it, c'mon that's just as much stirring up crap as anyone else.

Bill you need to knock it off, put Sid and Shelby on ignore and just leave every thread that they are involved with alone.

Shelby you need to do the same for Bill.

Sid you really need to rethink why you're here, it certainly doesn't seem to be about cigars or making friends as of late.

I can't in good conscience vote to ban Bill even though currently I disagree with some of his actions. If Bill is banned the others involved need to be banned as well.