Secret Santa 2007

[Shagaroo]

Well golly gee, as long as YOU say you aren't a scammer. I hope you aren't, but the simple fact is, we don't know you from Adam's housecat's butthole. Don't like it? We don't really care. Spend some time here getting to know people and letting us get to know you and earn your place and we will care. Until then, boo hoo.

I will give you a perfect example of why we are the way we are. There is this little cigar forum called CigarLive. People there let folks just walk in off the street, with zero credibility, and have all the rights and respect that folks who have put in the time to earn it have. Well, just this past week a well known scammer, using a new name, who promised he wasn't a scammer, took them for a shit ton of cigars. Now, the forum owner and all his little fanbois are trying to justify their own stupidity. Well, that won't happen here. Why? Because we hold your feet to the fire until you prove yourself. If that gets you all butt hurt, to bad. I am sure you can find the door.

[drew_goring]

Didn't want to be a downer just wanted to point out that working seven days, fifteen hours a day for a year puts a damper on searching out cigar forums and chatting. Even the wife had the ass i didn't chat with her enough. I tried to keep my reply light and friendly but Drew your reply was pretty unnecessary and shows little character. Too bad because you seem to be great when talking and trading cigars.

Koolhandk thanks for the back up. Appreciate it. That by the way showed great character.

As i tried to say to begin with, have a good time guys. Just wanted to make sure i wasn't lumped in with the other gentleman that seemed to be a legitimate scammer. I don't post much but do enjoy the information.

My response was meant with the utmost respect. I was just trying to tell it like it is. Gain some credibility here and then we'll talk Secret Santa, etc.

[koolhandk]

Well golly gee, as long as YOU say you aren't a scammer. I hope you aren't, but the simple fact is, we don't know you from Adam's housecat's butthole. Don't like it? We don't really care. Spend some time here getting to know people and letting us get to know you and earn your place and we will care. Until then, boo hoo.

I will give you a perfect example of why we are the way we are. There is this little cigar forum called CigarLive. People there let folks just walk in off the street, with zero credibility, and have all the rights and respect that folks who have put in the time to earn it have. Well, just this past week a well known scammer, using a new name, who promised he wasn't a scammer, took them for a shit ton of cigars. Now, the forum owner and all his little fanbois are trying to justify their own stupidity. Well, that won't happen here. Why? Because we hold your feet to the fire until you prove yourself. If that gets you all butt hurt, to bad. I am sure you can find the door.

Wow. I am pretty sure I was respectful in my motion to decline. Shagaroo, let it be noted that both slkr4life and myself voluntarily declined to participate in this "Secret Santa." Additionally let it be noted that nowhere in the rules placed in this thread does it say that one must have a verified history of cigar trading. The request to not include first time traders was made after both myself and slkr4life signed up. After slcraider's posting we both declined when we could have easily stayed on like cowards instead of calling ourselves out. I can't speak for anyone but myself on the fact that I am not here to make enemies or to start any problems, but your reaction was slightly uncalled for, at least in your tone and choice of words. Although you don't know me and I don't know you, I would hope that you could afford me the common courtesy and respect that I have tried to show to all of you.

[JFellows]

Get. Over. It.

[koolhandk]

Hey Guado, since you have been the nicest guy to me thus far on this forum I would like to send you the cigars I was going to send to my SS. I do this not to prove myself to anyone but because A. you have been cool and B. I have five extra cigars, a box, bubble wrap, and water pillow just lying around.

JFellows I am pretty sure I wasn't speaking to you...be polite and mind your business.

[JFellows]

JFellows I am pretty sure I wasn't speaking to you...be polite and mind your business.

Listen, asshole - when you post on a public board, you're talking to everyone. Take it to a PM when you want to speak with a single person. Make sense?

[koolhandk]

Listen, asshole - when you post on a public board, you're talking to everyone. Take it to a PM when you want to speak with a single person. Make sense?

Fair enough, but do you really think I want to start trouble with you? Then why would you try to start trouble with me? I have no beef with you, in fact I have no beef with anyone here. I am simply just trying to stick up for myself. I am a grown man and I refuse to be talked down to by anyone and I am sure you can appreciate that.

[drew_goring]

Well golly gee, as long as YOU say you aren't a scammer. I hope you aren't, but the simple fact is, we don't know you from Adam's housecat's butthole. Don't like it? We don't really care. Spend some time here getting to know people and letting us get to know you and earn your place and we will care. Until then, boo hoo.

I will give you a perfect example of why we are the way we are. There is this little cigar forum called CigarLive. People there let folks just walk in off the street, with zero credibility, and have all the rights and respect that folks who have put in the time to earn it have. Well, just this past week a well known scammer, using a new name, who promised he wasn't a scammer, took them for a shit ton of cigars. Now, the forum owner and all his little fanbois are trying to justify their own stupidity. Well, that won't happen here. Why? Because we hold your feet to the fire until you prove yourself. If that gets you all butt hurt, to bad. I am sure you can find the door.

I just slightly modified the rules. If anyone has any problem with it, please let me know. Apparently common sense isn't all that common.

[prophetic_joe]

I just slightly modified the rules. If anyone has any problem with it, please let me know. Apparently common sense isn't all that common.

You might want to edit rule # 3 as well Drew, I don't think I'll be able to get my SS sent out by Dec 25th, 2006. 2007 that I can do.

[prophetic_joe]

Fair enough, but do you really think I want to start trouble with you? Then why would you try to start trouble with me? I have no beef with you, in fact I have no beef with anyone here. I am simply just trying to stick up for myself. I am a grown man and I refuse to be talked down to by anyone and I am sure you can appreciate that.

Slow down. There have been many many guys go down this road and believe me it doesn't work out, it also doesn't have to be that way. The reason behind asking people to sit out their first year or at least until they have built a bit of a rep is because of the tendency for cigar forums to get quite a few mooches and thieves. We combat this by being a pretty tight knit group and watching each others backs. Trust that if you do your time and take your lumps you won't find a better group of guys out there. We're hard and abrasive for a reason it weeds out those individuals that don't possess a certain type of character. That character being one of loyalty, honesty and respect. You'll be respected here Kool but only after you earn it, the boards are filled with so many scammers and thieves that there is really no way one can expect to be respected right off, if we were to trust and respect you right away there is a really good chance you'd screw us. Start off humble, listen to the guys who have been around for awhile and you'll be alright. You might be a grown up in the real world but on the forum you're still just a kid.

[koolhandk]

Thanks Joe. To be honest I felt I have been respectful, and humble. I felt that some members were picking a fight even after I had made an honorable attempt. I don’t feel that to pick on anyone after they have done the right thing is honorable or decent no matter what "world" one is in, be that a forum or otherwise. I do appreciate you taking the time to talk and react like a levelheaded adult.

[Shagaroo]

Thanks Joe. To be honest I felt I have been respectful, and humble. I felt that some members were picking a fight even after I had made an honorable attempt. I don’t feel that to pick on anyone after they have done the right thing is honorable or decent no matter what "world" one is in, be that a forum or otherwise. I do appreciate you taking the time to talk and react like a levelheaded adult.

You seem to have an overwhelming need to be a martyr. Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out. We are simply informing you how this place works. It has been this way from the start and it will be this way long after you fall on your sword. And your veiled snotty posts are a real good way to completely bury yourself. So, just keep on digging.

[ashauler]

Hey Guado, since you have been the nicest guy to me thus far on this forum I would like to send you the cigars I was going to send to my SS. I do this not to prove myself to anyone but because A. you have been cool and B. I have five extra cigars, a box, bubble wrap, and water pillow just lying around.

JFellows I am pretty sure I wasn't speaking to you...be polite and mind your business.

You would have been better served by doing this through PM directly with Guado and let HIM post what a wonderful and generous guy you are. Your horn sounds pretty shitty when YOU'RE the one tooting it.

Jfellows was exactly right in his response......what you post is what you are saying to all of us. Just relax, participate in some passes (if you meet the requirements), post some cigar content, host a contest, etc......find someone to trade with (newbie sampler is great for this) you will build rep, and be accepted quicker than you think, but it really all depends on you.

This doesn't have to be a big deal koolhandk.

[heftysmokes]

Don't mind Shag, he might be gruff, but he's really just a teddy bear.

Guys, if you want to share some Xmas cheer, send some cigars to each other, or, next time you're sitting at your local b&m, hand a nice stick to Random Stranger sitting next to you, or, volunteer at a soup kitchen...whatever.
2007 marks my 3rd Christmas on the board. It also marks my 2nd Secret Santa trade. The first year, I felt like I wasn't around long enough to participate, and although I had completed a pass and a trade at that point, I didn't feel like I knew the guys well enough to send them something they would like. You can't really know that if you've only been around 2 or 3 months.

[koolhandk]

You would have been better served by doing this through PM directly with Guado and let HIM post what a wonderful and generous guy you are. Your horn sounds pretty shitty when YOU'RE the one tooting it.

Jfellows was exactly right in his response......what you post is what you are saying to all of us. Just relax, participate in some passes (if you meet the requirements), post some cigar content, host a contest, etc......find someone to trade with (newbie sampler is great for this) you will build rep, and be accepted quicker than you think, but it really all depends on you.

This doesn't have to be a big deal koolhandk.

Sorry I am not well versed in the whole forum thing so I didn't really know all about the whole PM thing.

Heftysmokes that was a well placed well timed statement. Thank you.

[drew_goring]

You might want to edit rule # 3 as well Drew, I don't think I'll be able to get my SS sent out by Dec 25th, 2006. 2007 that I can do.

hehe, thanks.

[prostartjr1738]

We seem to have got off on the wrong foot here. I understand you guys need some to have some knowledge of who a person is before letting them participate in something like this. All I was doing was trying to find out what it is I could do and hopefully make this years secret santa. If there is nothing, than Ill have to just wait untill next year, and work my way up form the bottom. I will start out small trades etc. As for my age and all that other stuff, my birthday is 12/23/88. That makes me 18, in New York, it is 18 to buy, posses and smoke tobacco. Maybe thats not what it is in other states, Im not sure. As for the the other birthdates, when i joined those forums I wasnt 18, so i chaged the date. Probably wasnt the best idea in the world. If theres anything else that needs to be cleared up I will happily do so. Sorry to cause such a problem.

[slkr4life]

My response was meant with the utmost respect. I was just trying to tell it like it is. Gain some credibility here and then we'll talk Secret Santa, etc.

No problem buddy. Definately took that one the wrong way, my bad.

[slkr4life]

Well golly gee, as long as YOU say you aren't a scammer. I hope you aren't, but the simple fact is, we don't know you from Adam's housecat's butthole. Don't like it? We don't really care. Spend some time here getting to know people and letting us get to know you and earn your place and we will care. Until then, boo hoo.

I will give you a perfect example of why we are the way we are. There is this little cigar forum called CigarLive. People there let folks just walk in off the street, with zero credibility, and have all the rights and respect that folks who have put in the time to earn it have. Well, just this past week a well known scammer, using a new name, who promised he wasn't a scammer, took them for a shit ton of cigars. Now, the forum owner and all his little fanbois are trying to justify their own stupidity. Well, that won't happen here. Why? Because we hold your feet to the fire until you prove yourself. If that gets you all butt hurt, to bad. I am sure you can find the door.

Shag,

You seem to have a history of disrespecting people with your rants. Let me help you out here. I am guessing you were the kid in the corner at school that was constantly picked on and have now found solace sitting behind a monitor and keyboard saying whatever you want without having to worry about getting your ass kicked. I can respect that as you probably have no other choice for dealing with people. For all I know you could be a swell guy outside of your mom's basement. However, no one will ever know this until you learn tact. Some of your post's are filled with good information, but it is all lost when you fill it with useless dribble that mirrors a five year old that just learned a dirty word and continually uses it to impress people.

Take your reply (above ) to me. If you take out: "golly gee, Adam's Housecat's butthole, we don't care, boo hoo, If that gets you all butt hurt, to bad, and I am sure you can find the door" then it sounds like a legitimate statement. The example you gave was solid. However, the way you chose to write it portrays someone lacking confidence trying way to hard to sound tough.

It doesn't matter how many posts you have or how long ago you joined, until you learn to communicate effectively it is impossible to take you seriously. If you really want to instill
knowledge and utilize your seniority, try mentoring people. No one knows everything and i am sure you do have information that someone could use.

Chief

[basil]

Thanks Joe. To be honest I felt I have been respectful, and humble. I felt that some members were picking a fight even after I had made an honorable attempt. I don’t feel that to pick on anyone after they have done the right thing is honorable or decent no matter what "world" one is in, be that a forum or otherwise. I do appreciate you taking the time to talk and react like a levelheaded adult.

Dumbass. Any humility one may have evaporates (or more likely, was never there in the first place) when one professes to have it.

Shag,

You seem to have a history of disrespecting people with your rants. Let me help you out here. I am guessing you were the kid in the corner at school that was constantly picked on and have now found solace sitting behind a monitor and keyboard saying whatever you want without having to worry about getting your ass kicked. I can respect that as you probably have no other choice for dealing with people. For all I know you could be a swell guy outside of your mom's basement. However, no one will ever know this until you learn tact. Some of your post's are filled with good information, but it is all lost when you fill it with useless dribble that mirrors a five year old that just learned a dirty word and continually uses it to impress people.

Take your reply (above ) to me. If you take out: "golly gee, Adam's Housecat's butthole, we don't care, boo hoo, If that gets you all butt hurt, to bad, and I am sure you can find the door" then it sounds like a legitimate statement. The example you gave was solid. However, the way you chose to write it portrays someone lacking confidence trying way to hard to sound tough.

It doesn't matter how many posts you have or how long ago you joined, until you learn to communicate effectively it is impossible to take you seriously. If you really want to instill
knowledge and utilize your seniority, try mentoring people. No one knows everything and i am sure you do have information that someone could use.

Chief

What a condescending POS tool.

wow. You two are so standing on your dicks. Here's an idea: put your shovels down, apologize for being assholes, quit crying, and get over yourselves. There is nothing down this road you want, no shit. Shut the fuck up for awhile, and pay attention. This board is unique in several ways and I promise you you aren't the ones who're gonna change it. But if you're too busy tying knots in your panties, you'll never get it.

chief. jeezushit.