The Official World Wide Peace Pass of '08 Thread

**BigMacFU** · 03-30-2008, 10:21 AM

I'm ready Taz!

**basil** · 03-30-2008, 11:20 AM

I dunno ya'll. This is exactly the reason why noobs shouldn't be allowed in passes until they have some experience on the board, are familiar with general rules, and have earned some cred. This guy has cigar prices and pass protocol totally fucked up. Based on his actions in this pass, I would never be in a trade/pass with Taz. Ya'll can be cool with it. I'm not.

To sharpen the point:

Top25 has shitty reviews, but the MSRPs there are fairly reliable. Checking there reveals

There are several Cohiba robustos and none of them MSRPs for $23.
The Olivas are accurate.
His Aurora is over-priced
The 55 is ludicrously over-priced.

I didn't check the rest.

But, mailing them before a green light from Roham was straight up bullshit.

**BigMacFU** · 03-30-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by basil

I dunno ya'll. This is exactly the reason why noobs shouldn't be allowed in passes until they have some experience on the board, are familiar with general rules, and have earned some cred. This guy has cigar prices and pass protocol totally fucked up. Based on his actions in this pass, I would never be in a trade/pass with Taz. Ya'll can be cool with it. I'm not.

To sharpen the point:

Top25 has shitty reviews, but the MSRPs there are fairly reliable. Checking there reveals

There are several Cohiba robustos and none of them MSRPs for $23.
The Olivas are accurate.
His Aurora is over-priced
The 55 is ludicrously over-priced.

I didn't check the rest.

But, mailing them before a green light from Roham was straight up bullshit.

I have to agree with Basil on this one. Even if the values ended up being where they should be, without a confirmation, nothing should leave if those are pass rules. If confirmation occurred in some other way, say via phone, fine, we don't all need to see it.

I also understand not wanting to sit on a pass because of vacation, but if it's going to be that close of a call, you just say, skip me and come back at the end, or just skip me altogether.

As a reminder, rarity vs. value doesn't compute except in the extremes. If you're pulling out a RyJ 1994 ISOM which technically has a 10.00 MSRP, then no doubt it is worth more than that since it is impossible to attain such a cigar for 10 bucks. But with the Fuente, Padron, Tat stuff, it just isn't rare enough (with the exception of the uncommon lines of Opus and Hemingway). Value must always be met in the common cases, regardless of rarity.

**basil** · 03-30-2008, 02:45 PM

And another word about MSRP - Often times, the MSRP that is published is higher, sometimes much higher, than what the cigar can be had for consistently. So, one can't always use MSRP to price a cigar in a pass; saying that cigar X is worth $12 MSRP when that cigar can be bought for $8 online or in any B&M anytime is dishonest.

**nhcigarfan** · 03-30-2008, 05:20 PM

I agree with Basil and BMF, but if Roham OK's it then I guess its fine.

**Taz** · 03-30-2008, 09:38 PM

I give up

**BigMacFU** · 03-31-2008, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Taz

I know I made a mistake not seeing the wait for approval rules but I have participated in more then my far share of passes and have never used that rule and most of the ones I have done are very high end. Not saying the rule is wrong just missed it my bad...
Basil as for cred would you like to compare humidors I have know idea what you have but I would bet you would have a tough time comparing maybe not in quantity but in rarity and value. Yes I missed the rule but my trades were more then far. I will also bet unless you all try to prove a point the ones I put in will not be there at the end. So bigmacfu just take them put the values they have posted and you will be in great shape and enjoy some fine highly thought of smokes. I am use to Gentlemen groups and I can see that is not important here.

Taz,

I'm sure you have participated in all sorts of "gentlemenly" passes, but not here. That's almost as bad as referencing an ebay feedback score (almost because you may have cred from another board that a FOG here frequents and thus is willing to back you up).

Basil wasn't making any comment on whose humidor is bigger than whose, and for you to make such a comment is just a sad and arrogant thing. Basil was pointing out you were not following the rules and that MSRP doesn't equal on-line values nor does it match with rarity. He did say he wouldn't want to trade with you because you essentially broke a rule.

For you to respond like this, the "backhanded" high road, shows your altimeter is off, you've done nothing good in this response. You should have just apologized and left it at that. Furthermore, to insinuate I'm some kind of mooching or leeching ass and the only reason I want to attack you (which I didn't even do, just said "not a cool move") is so I can obtain your "oh so rare and expensive" cigars is just plain bullsh*t. As has been said many times on many boards, an "I'm sorry" followed by an "f@*# you!" is not much of an apology. I suggest you take some time to cool your pride while on vacation and realize this is just not how things are done on quality cigar boards.

**basil** · 03-31-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Taz

I really don't give a flying fuck about not seeing the wait for approval rules.

Originally Posted by Taz

but I have participated in more then my far

whoops! Spell check can only do so much for the illiterate.

Originally Posted by Taz

share of passes and have never used that rule

probably because you don't read the fucking rules.

Originally Posted by Taz

and most of the ones I have done are very high end. Not saying the rule is wrong just missed it my bad.

rules, schmules.

Originally Posted by Taz

I posted the prices from doing a search on line I would be happy t post the links. I thought that is what was being asked of me. As for a couple of the prices questioned on the Anos Belicoso they ranged from 17-19 so In put 18.

Here, allow me: cien anos beli.

Originally Posted by Taz

On the 55. You find one for $10 please share from where.

Ok, here, maybe here (you have to call for availability), and, here's MSRP & Avg. price paid.

Originally Posted by Taz

They are harder to find then Opus X. They go up for Auction both private and on line and $30 would be low. I saw a box at the last private auction I was at go for a grand. Is it worth it to each there own.

If you paid $30 in the US for this cigar, you:

a) are an idiot
b) are incredibly naive
c) have a microscopic dick and you search desparately to find ways to compensate
d) all of the above

Originally Posted by Taz

AS for the Cohiba I would post the links where I got the prices but we are not allowed would also like to know where I can get real ones for $15. I really thought people would appreciate some hard to get sticks go ahead try to find them in stock it wont be easy. Except for the Cohiba..

Found these for $15.26 per when buying 15, and cheaper for 25. They are real and they are in stock.

Originally Posted by Taz

I guess what it is hard to believe how rude some of you are you do not have to worry about me getting involved in any passes our trades by the way Basil as for cred would you like to compare humidors I have know idea what you have but I would bet you would have a tough time comparing maybe not in quantity but in rarity and value. Yes I missed the rule but my trades were more then far. I will also bet unless you all try to prove a point the ones I put in will not be there at the end. So bigmacfu just take them put the values they have posted (!!!) and you will be in great shape and enjoy some fine highly thought of smokes. I am use to Gentlemen groups and I can see that is not important here. By the way what sticks did I take that were so hard to find or expensive. let me think oh yea known. So a problem that I missed a rule yes my bad, fairness or being attacked that is all on a few of you.

Wow. Translation:

Originally Posted by Taz

I am a crybaby fucking piece of shit who can't spell, type, punctuate, read, or, fuck you name it, and everytime I think about being confronted I have a meltdown and do a chris crocker imitation of leave brittany alone and throw out a lot of red herrings and smokescreens, and other half-thought-out crap that is complete and utter bullshit and I think you are all stupid enough to buy it! Now, leave me alone!!!

Damn.