how many heads....

[Shagaroo]

Since Eric is on a thread delete kick again, I am posting this here. It was posted on the StogieChat Poll thread which will no doubt be deleted as well. No doubt Eric wants to delete any evidence of his actions, but I am guessing it has all been saved so his deletion is pointless.

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The simple fact you keep missing is this. You are neck deep in it, as responsible as anyone else for you being in it, but only want to complain about how bad it stinks and demand someone else clean it up. You are simply fanning the flames and you know it.

1. You admitted to posting merchandise for sell you had sold BEFORE the post was made on CSmokers and other forums. You made sure they were included in the thread title in big letters. Your response to this when called on it was basically, "to bad, so sad." Someone also made the comment they would not do business with you because of past problems on this forum. Your response was to start calling people names. Like it or not, that's on you. No one else can be blamed for it. If you do not wish folks to express their personal opinion on whether or not they would do business with you, never post anywhere but here. You don't get to dictate how others feel about doing business with you.

2. You fan the flames rather than trying to resolve the problem. Hint, when you start calling people names, it's on you to apologize and bring an end to the battle. It finally reaches the point you start threatening to sue the people you want to end the argument with. Another hint, people don't respond well to threats. Again, it was on you in the first place to settle this mess.

3. You claim CC bought cigars from you while posting an inappropraite "thank you". When called on this, you proceed to post his mothers name, his partial address, and parts of two seperate phone numbers, all while claiming you can't release personal information.

4. When banned from, or discouraged from, posting everywhere but here concerning this matter you start a flame thread on your forum, where you claim this type of behaviour is not allowed and ban others for doing such.

5. Not being happy with one flame thread, you start another flame thread under the guise of a poll.

You just can't seem to stop yourself from fanning the flames. You want it to end? Own up to your part in this without fanning the flames. It's not an apology when it goes like this. "Sorry about what I did, but you are still a jerk." That's not an apology. That's another insult and nobody in their right mind would accept it.

The simple truth is if you had accepted responsiblity for advertising something you had already sold, stated StogieChat is what it is and let it go, and had Hex edit the thread title to just Crazy Cigar Deals this wouldn't be happening. Instead, you tried insults, lies, threats and intimidation and then act shocked people respond the way they do.

[nhcigarfan]

Not to make light of the situation I do think Rob handled himself quite well given the circumstances.

Also, I'm looking for some padrons,

CC I heard you just got a box, wanna do a split?

[godfather]

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[basil]

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Ouch. lmao!

[CoventryCat86]

Yep, piece of shit Eric is hiding the evidence again. Probably would be a good idea to save it here:

Since there is some claim that some members here have some mixed feelings pertaining to the flame war with CoventryCat86, kevin7, rpb67, and a few others, this poll is started. Maybe I took this a little too personal with them calling us SpoogieChat, asshats, and other stuff. Then again, maybe not when you consider that there are over 5 threads slamming me, TBS and StogieChat compaired to the one on here.

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showthre...3515#post33515
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t3204-how-many-heads.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t3167-hey-tbs.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t3148-tbs.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t3086-tbs-cigars-ban.html
...and more there and on other forums.

And lets not forget, this is because of something that originally started in January 2005 over them wanting us to ban Carlos and Eleuthardt over a pass that went bad on someone elses forum.
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...T&f=4&t=10995& ;hl=&view=findpost&p=161887

And our respected LZ is a moron...
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...26&postcount=3

Vote now.

I was surprised to see RPB67 posting as well. At least it was only towards me.

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...4&postcount=58

"Its to bad. The owner of the Forum may Suck. But, there are some good people over there that post some good stuff and are pretty reputable."

ET... in all honesty, I don't see any good coming out of this poll/thread. Let the flames die out and let's all move on...

Eric,just let it go man.

It was suggested to run the poll by one of our members here, as a solution to the post. I did take the intial post down for about 20 minutes in good faith that things would come back to reality. In which case I was slammed for taking it down by you on your forum.

From what I read CC, you want an apology? I admit that I was upset over the comments about the special that I posted on the CigarSmokers forum. The comments posted was about something that happened a year ago and I thought was rather petty even then. I posted to that respect and again explained it was policy at that time.

As for the order in question and personal information. I was involved with talking to you in that thread concerning the Padron 1926 cigars, and them not being listed. It was no "secret" that you were interested, as you were upset that they were sold out so quickly. I posted another box, and "poof" they were gone within minutes of letting you know in the forum. While I thought that was a mutual ground where you ordered some cigars you wanted, and hopefully an end to the pokes, I posted a thank you...although I was still a bit confused as why the change of heart.

Again, my mistake as everyone could not believe that you placed an order and obviously I cannot prove that fact because it it would involve giving out private information. However, the information that I mentioned was already public, as cc stated, although you claim that I gave out private information from YOUR ORDER. If it was not your order, as you claim, then obviously I don't have any of your personal information, correct?

I apologize for the personal thank you, as I should not have ever of done that. I'm used to thanking members here all the time and while we are more family here, I made a mistake there. I do normally thank my customers when they order via the forum specials.

Either way, lets quit the crap. I'll drop the threads, even remove them if so asked. However, I would appreciate the same on your side as well. While you and I will never see eye to eye CC, I think both forums are tired of reading and taking sides.

So state your terms to end this so we can all move on to doing something a little more constructive. We need Rob back too because I'm tired of tending to his horses over here....

ET

I agree. Let's drop the whole thing and move on.

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1. Send a sincere, heartfelt apology to Rod @ CigarPass apologizing for sending him the threatening emails you sent him in January of 2005. You know, the one or ones where you threatened to sue him, remember those? Also include an apology for creating the name "CPassholes" on the CigarPass site and for harrassing Rod and CigarPass in January of 2005

Rod at CigarPass has nothing to do with this situation. But obviously that is why you guys felt inclined to post the remarks concerning the cigar specials I posted on CigarSmokers and ClubStogie....from a situation a year ago from when you were banned here.

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2. Send a sincere, heartfelt apology to Hex1848 @ CigarSmokers apologizing for coming on to his site and creating a shit storm like we've never seen here. Also apologize to Hex for threatening legal action against him too. As with CigarPass, please apologize for creating a series of fake screen names here that you created AFTER you were banned. You know, the ones like "Coventrysmall cigar thingy86" & "Coventryf*g**t" now don't say you don't know anything about those because I KNOW you do.

Again, I posted a special and you guys who still have problems from a year ago started posting comments about it. While I admit adding to the shit storm, I did not start the crap throwing. As for the screen names, I don't know who they are. I did read about the age check vendor being slammed on the forum, as well as a few other people. I don't think that I'm the only person that has been PO'ed with you guys lately. Its easy to point the finger my way since we are locking horns, but anyone can signup using any name they like, correct. If I were making up screen names, then why am I posting here and not there?

As for the letter to Hex, he ignored the situation on his forum and our attorney recommened that we try one last time to contact the site owner to resolve the issue outside of using the courts. While he mocked the letter, its a shame because this is going to lead to a legal battle and consume his time unless its resolved.

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3. Send a sincere, heartfelt apology to PDS @ ClubStogie for lying about me, causing problems AND bringing problems from other sites to ClubStogie AND for posting a misleading link on his site about cigars you had sold before you mentioned them in your post. (No need to do that on CigarSmokers, we already took care of that for you).

Any member of ClubStogie can PM the admin and he will tell you that I asked for the posted special to be removed. It was not taken down due to any lies. It was removed because I requested it removed because you guys were taking the flame war there as well. I posted a special and a newbie welcome message.
http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17437
YOU posted the remarks there. YOU brought it there.
http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showpos...6&postcount=28

While I will and do apologize for this getting out of hand, I'm not going to make up such lies to please you.

If you didn't place any order, then obviously I don't have any personal information about you. That there makes your whole point moot concerning privacy of your order. Unless of course, you did actually order and have been lying about it the whole time.

And don't say that YOU don't have the "position" to name terms, as its mainly you who is going around posting and using TBS in your signature tag. So lets resolve this.

Thanks Bartok. Thats what happened last time, a year ago, it was dropped. I pretty much forgot about the issue and never expected it to come up again. Now, a year later, its here again because someone saw our advertisement. Should we ignore it for another year? Obviously its not going to go away unless there is some agreement made. Someone still holding a grudge after being banned a year ago is crazy, but the case unfortunately with a few.

Also, the poll is complete.

And out of fairness, I did NOT vote on the issue. The thread was tossed to the trash.

[CoventryCat86]

Still more:

Shag,

First, your post was not deleted as you so state on CigarSmokers. http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...2&postcount=44

1. I had several boxes of Padrons allocated for the special, of which to put up every couple days. While some looked at the special and saw zero stock, it was 1 or two boxes come the next day. Eventually we were out of them. It was a first come, first serve special and there are other cigars listed as well. If you frequent other places, you may have seen the ad sooner and purchased. It does take time to go from site to site to post specials. Padrons at that price, right before Christmas when most vendors didn't have them...well, they went fast. Several boxes were sold here. It was the same text ad everywhere, cut & paste. Look at any cigar vendors text ad on the forums...its the same everywhere else too.

2. Yes, I have flamed back. I fully admit that. Like you state, nobody liked being pushed around. I don't either and will respond likewise. I apologize as it was out of line as I took it quite personal. Being a situation from a year ago, it really took me off guard and I responded very defensively. I do apologize for that.

3. As CC said, that was all public information. Giving out personal information would be absolutely crazy and nothing that I mentioned was "private" by any means. I merely wanted to thank him, but realized after that it was not the thing to do on a forum where I don't know most of the members. I'm used to things being more of a family, like here on StogieChat. Where on your forum the sale was questioned because of the flame war. I should not have tried to prove that it was an order from CC, as that would be impossible to do in public anyways and should not have been a point. That was my mistake.

4. While the members on your forum could speak their mind, I was banned. I didn't use foul language, just tried to explain my side. Yes, I was looking for new business, or trolling as you call it. Thus the reason for the ad to begin with. You guys were quick to ban my words there. So don't expect me to not have some voice in the situation, as threads running here without your comments is the same as you are doing there.

5. The poll was requested by one of our members to help solve the problem. let the community decide, since this is personal to me.

And finally, YES, this can stop. Its mainly CC and I who have issues from what it looks. I'll gladly work this out, but I'm not going to apologize to CigarPass, Rob and those other members who were banned a year ago for the "Carlos and Euthhardt" situation. Thats old crap and we all know it. That is where this all started again because of some old grudge. So lets close that crap and move on.

Can somebody tell me why something from a year ago has progressed to this after all this time?

Furthermore, why CC has a derogatory note about TBS cigars in his SIGNATURE from an event that happened a year ago? Has this been his signature the entire time? Or did it just materialize one day (I'm not sure what's worse)

[nhcigarfan]

I'm starting to think this guy may be less of an asshat and more of a nut job by the post.

CC - I think your greatest concern might soon be that this guy has your address.

[CoventryCat86]

Can somebody tell me why something from a year ago has progressed to this after all this time?

Furthermore, why CC has a derogatory note about TBS cigars in his SIGNATURE from an event that happened a year ago? Has this been his signature the entire time? Or did it just materialize one day (I'm not sure what's worse)

Uh.....Skipper? Please explain how "TBSCigars - 'On Holiday'" is "derogatory"

Since you appear to be completely clueless here, I'll lay it out for you:

TBSCigars was BANNED from this forum for his rude, flaming and insulting posts, for lying and for causing trouble here. The day his ban took effect, I changed my sigtag from "FPDoc77 - On Holiday" to "TBSCigars - On Holiday"

Eric Turner aka TBSCigars caused ALL of his own problems here and continues to show us all that he is the true asshole that he is with his continued rantings and steady stream of lies and flames on his StogieChat site.