Cigars similar in taste to the Fuente Short Story>

Hi guys, I'm about a year into cigar smoking, and the A. Fuente Hemingway Short Story is by far my favorite cigar in that price range. I really love the taste but I can't seem to find that taste anywhere else, even within the Hemingway line. Apparently from what I've read, it isn't a true Hemingway, it has a different blend, it's just under that name.
So can anyone help me find a larger cigar with the same taste or similar taste as the Short Story? Thanks for your time.

EDIT: I found the article that say the Short Story is not actually a Hemingway- http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...47,251,00.html

"Soon after that, the Fuentes released the Short Story, which has the distinctive Hemingway shape, but is not a Hemingway, said Wayne Suarez, a Fuente executive."

Best Seller is the same blend and a tad bit larger. Try a smaller size in the Partagas line for a nice cameroon wrapped smoke. If you want the ultimate cameroon cigar try a LaAuroro preferidios #1

Kinda hard to find a similar cigar to the Short Story. Some say, vitola size, shape, and so forth changes the smoking experience.

So, even though all Hemingway lines are made with the same filler, wrapper and so forth, you will the get the same smoking experience with a Short Story compared to a Classic.

Trust me, there are plenty of enjoyable smokes out there, especially Cameroon wrapped ones. You just happen to choose the one that is produced in limited quantities.

Andrew

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Originally Posted by FunkyCold5

Kinda hard to find a similar cigar to the Short Story. Some say, vitola size, shape, and so forth changes the smoking experience.

So, even though all Hemingway lines are made with the same filler, wrapper and so forth, you will the get the same smoking experience with a Short Story compared to a Classic.

Trust me, there are plenty of enjoyable smokes out there, especially Cameroon wrapped ones. You just happen to choose the one that is produced in limited quantities.

Andrew

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That's not true. I read an article from Fuente somewhere that said there were only 3 true Hemingway's. and that the others had different components to them.

I keep both Short Stories and Oliva Special G's on hand and regularly switch between them when I'm short on time. They are identical vitolas and both good cigars. The Hemingway of course has the earthiness of aging and cost's double the Special G. But, the Special G is still a very good cigar, near perfect burn, and qualities associated with Oliva. Also, the Special G is available as a maduro.

As far as taste alone, I think the Short Story is not too different than other Hemingways. It's smaller ring guage burns hotter and changes the flavors a bit. I buy them by the box from the local Smoke Shop for $100. Never paid less though, they are limited.

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Originally Posted by DeeDubya

I keep both Short Stories and Oliva Special G's on hand and regularly switch between them when I'm short on time. They are identical vitolas and both good cigars. The Hemingway of course has the earthiness of aging and cost's double the Special G. But, the Special G is still a very good cigar, near perfect burn, and qualities associated with Oliva. Also, the Special G is available as a maduro.

As far as taste alone, I think the Short Story is not too different than other Hemingways. It's smaller ring guage burns hotter and changes the flavors a bit. I buy them by the box from the local Smoke Shop for $100. Never paid less though, they are limited.

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I had a Oliva G maduro/robusto I recently won from a cigar raffle, so I after I read your post I lit it up and it does have a similar leathery taste, it just lacks a little bit of the earthiness, but this is the closest I've found to the short story. Is there a difference between a Oliva G Robusto and an Oliva Special G, or is it just a size difference?
Thanks a lot man.

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Originally Posted by Dan

That's not true. I read an article from Fuente somewhere that said there were only 3 true Hemingway's. and that the others had different components to them.

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Well, there are more than 3 Hemingways, and they all look pretty real to me. http://www.vitolas.net/displayimage.php?album=35&pos=7

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Originally Posted by ashauler

Well, there are more than 3 Hemingways, and they all look pretty real to me. http://www.vitolas.net/displayimage.php?album=35&pos=7

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By true, or real, I meant have the original Hemingway formula. The others, including the SHort Story have a different blend of tobacco.

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Originally Posted by Dan

By true, or real, I meant have the original Hemingway formula. The others, including the SHort Story have a different blend of tobacco.

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So, show us where Fuente says they are different blends. I've never heard this, nor have I ever read it anywhere. If they don't have the same flavor profile to you, that's fine, taste is after all subjective. To say they are blended with different tobacco is another matter entirely.

I would ask you this... If Fuente labels them and sells them under the Hemingway name... What would you call them??


A Hemingway "Work of Art", is as much a Hemingway as a Hemingway "Between the Lines".

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Originally Posted by Dan

By true, or real, I meant have the original Hemingway formula. The others, including the SHort Story have a different blend of tobacco.

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Where are you getting this information from? In my research the blend is the same in all the hemingway cigars. To my understanding there is a specific "hemingway" blend of long filler tobacco. The only difference is the amount used for each size.

I found this interview from C.A. with Carlos Fuente Jr. (from 2005)

CA: You mentioned blending. Can you talk about how different sizes in a brand have different flavors?
Carlos Fuente: I don't blend a gran panetela the same way I would blend a double corona. They would be the same tobaccos but in different proportions. With different dimensions and different lengths, you get different cigars. Cigar making is probably the most difficult craft in the world. In the wine industry, you have a crop of grapes, you ferment them, and you mix liquids together and it becomes uniform. With cigars, you're blending solids. That's where it takes not only know-how, but also art. You're blending sometimes as many as five, six, seven different flavors together. I like to refer to them as herbs and spices. The Fuente line is extensive, and that's because it evolved. In Nicaragua, we made a certain type of cigar. Before the Cuban embargo, we made a certain type of cigar. When we moved to the Dominican Republic, a lot of the people wanted them milder. And little by little we toned them down. Around 1982, we started adjusting it back up, and we introduced the Chateau Fuente line.

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Originally Posted by Dan

I had a Oliva G maduro/robusto I recently won from a cigar raffle, so I after I read your post I lit it up and it does have a similar leathery taste, it just lacks a little bit of the earthiness, but this is the closest I've found to the short story. Is there a difference between a Oliva G Robusto and an Oliva Special G, or is it just a size difference?
Thanks a lot man.

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Well a robusto is going to be around 50-52 ring guage and the little Special G is probably around 46 at the widest part of the body. Also, I don't care for the Special G maduro, they do not taste like the Short Story at all. Try a natural Special G. At around $2.50 you can't go wrong.

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Originally Posted by logan37

Where are you getting this information from? In my research the blend is the same in all the hemingway cigars. To my understanding there is a specific "hemingway" blend of long filler tobacco. The only difference is the amount used for each size.

I found this interview from C.A. with Carlos Fuente Jr. (from 2005)

CA: You mentioned blending. Can you talk about how different sizes in a brand have different flavors?
Carlos Fuente: I don't blend a gran panetela the same way I would blend a double corona. They would be the same tobaccos but in different proportions. With different dimensions and different lengths, you get different cigars. Cigar making is probably the most difficult craft in the world. In the wine industry, you have a crop of grapes, you ferment them, and you mix liquids together and it becomes uniform. With cigars, you're blending solids. That's where it takes not only know-how, but also art. You're blending sometimes as many as five, six, seven different flavors together. I like to refer to them as herbs and spices. The Fuente line is extensive, and that's because it evolved. In Nicaragua, we made a certain type of cigar. Before the Cuban embargo, we made a certain type of cigar. When we moved to the Dominican Republic, a lot of the people wanted them milder. And little by little we toned them down. Around 1982, we started adjusting it back up, and we introduced the Chateau Fuente line.

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There you go, just read the text I bolded. I don't know where the article I mentioned is online but I found the piece of paper I wrote the note down on, because it made everything make sense to me about the taste differences. But the interview you posted proves my point. Carlos Fuente says it right there, that he uses "different proportions" in different sized cigars, which therefore gives you a different tasting blend.

All you have to do is take the filler from a short story, and the filler from a Hemingway classic, and smoke them each out of a pipe. That's what I did when I first became confused about the taste differences. I knew the size or outer leaf could effect the taste, so when I was trying to understand why they tasted different, I took them to the pipe. Try it yourself, you'll notice that the tastes are quite different.

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Originally Posted by DeeDubya

Well a robusto is going to be around 50-52 ring guage and the little Special G is probably around 46 at the widest part of the body. Also, I don't care for the Special G maduro, they do not taste like the Short Story at all. Try a natural Special G. At around $2.50 you can't go wrong.

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I know, it just was the closest I had come so far, it's just that the minute I taste that smooth leathery taste I think short story. I'll pick up a natural special g the next time I'm at the smoke shop.

It doesn't prove your point. The tobacco blend used in every single Hemingway is the same. The proportions of each particular tobacco, in the blend, is slightly different in each size.

I think you're misusing the word "blend" as it's used in cigar terms. Blend is the combination of tobaccos used in the filler of a cigar. Every single line of cigars has the same blend of tobacco within that line. The proportions vary in each size of that line, but the blend is the same. i.e. every single A.F. Hemingway cigar has the same blend used in them, every single Don Lino Africa cigar has the same blend used in them, so on and so forth.

All A.F. Hemingways are "true" Hemingways.

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Originally Posted by logan37

It doesn't prove your point. The tobacco blend used in every single Hemingway is the same. The proportions of each particular tobacco, in the blend, is slightly different in each size.

I think you're misusing the word "blend" as it's used in cigar terms. Blend is the combination of tobaccos used in the filler of a cigar. Every single line of cigars has the same blend of tobacco within that line. The proportions vary in each size of that line, but the blend is the same. i.e. every single A.F. Hemingway cigar has the same blend used in them, every single Don Lino Africa cigar has the same blend used in them, so on and so forth.

All A.F. Hemingways are "true" Hemingways.

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I see that's where we're having some confusion. I'm using the term "blend" as it pertains to cooking because I'm a hobby-chef. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that a Short Story's filler has a different taste to it. As far as the "true Hemingway" comment, I'm just posting what I've read.

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

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Originally Posted by kevin7

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

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I believe they now prefer to be called "Informationally Challenged Newcomers" :smiley36::smiley36::smiley36:

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Originally Posted by logan37

It doesn't prove your point. The tobacco blend used in every single Hemingway is the same. The proportions of each particular tobacco, in the blend, is slightly different in each size.

I think you're misusing the word "blend" as it's used in cigar terms. Blend is the combination of tobaccos used in the filler of a cigar. Every single line of cigars has the same blend of tobacco within that line. The proportions vary in each size of that line, but the blend is the same. i.e. every single A.F. Hemingway cigar has the same blend used in them, every single Don Lino Africa cigar has the same blend used in them, so on and so forth.

All A.F. Hemingways are "true" Hemingways.

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That's right, and while we're talking proportions don't forget the binder and wrapper which also affect the flavors. Example, a Short Story is a 48 ring guage and a Masterpiece is a 52. Taking a cross section of each cigar, the Short Story would actually have a higher percentage of wrapper to filler than the Masterpiece. Therefore you would be tasting more wrapper with the Short Story. If you continue to shrink the size, the wrapper would increase in proportion to the filler until finally you would have a rolled up wrapper.

Also, a smaller ring guage nearly always burns hotter than a larger (considering that they are smoked at the same rate and the RH is the same). IMO a Short Story is best when smoked very slowly, just barely kept lit. You can really get that earthy/leathery taste. Since I usually select them when I'm short on time, I rush and smoke too fast, knowing that I'm wasting some really good tobacco.

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Originally Posted by kevin7

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

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Its getting clearer.

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Originally Posted by kevin7

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

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EDIT: I'm going to actually apologize for acting ungentlemanly with this post, whether it was justifiable or not. I don't appreciate being mocked, (be it directly or indirectly) and I certainly don't like being told I'm wrong about something when I'm not, especially when I've received the information in question from a primary source, (http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...47,251,00.html)

If you feel the need to read the original post, it's on the following page.

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Originally Posted by bigwhiteash

I believe they now prefer to be called "Informationally Challenged Newcomers" :smiley36::smiley36::smiley36:

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Aren't newbies informationally-challenged by definition? I prefer to think of myself as a search-challenged newbie :smiley41:.

Speaking of which - Dan, I was wondering - at some point, could you please collate and share with us a summary of the responses from the various forums that you've posted this question in? I'd be interested in the consensus. Thanks in advance!

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Originally Posted by craig

Speaking of which - Dan, I was wondering - at some point, could you please collate and share with us a summary of the responses from the various forums that you've posted this question in? I'd be interested in the consensus. Thanks in advance!

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Sure, there was a few people here that suggested the LFD Cameroon:
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...=0#entry802941

And here, there were more people agreeing on the Don Carlos line:
http://www.cigarlive.com/forum/showt...194#post450194

Same exact post and question, different forums so I could receive different responses to remove some bias factors that would have otherwise effected the range of answers had I only asked one forum.

EDIT: Seems like the second link didn't copy when I pressed ctrl+c

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Originally Posted by Dan

How cute :smiley1: it's an internet tough guy.

What makes me anger you so much? The fact that I used the word blend how it is generally used in English speaking countries? Or because I insist that the filler in a Short Story tastes different then the fillers of other Hemingways? I've been cooking and smoking pipe tobacco probably longer then you've been alive, so I think I can distinguish between two different tastes, if you don't believe me, try the two fillers yourself from a pipe.

Or do you just have a lot of built up anger from being insulted on the internet? I'm sorry that I have better things to do then post hundreds of messages on an internet message board.

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This is a straight up stupid post to make. I think you've gotten the last bit of useful cigar information you're likely to get here. Enjoy the remainder of your stay.

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Originally Posted by Dan

Sure, there was a few people here that suggested the LFD Cameroon:
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...=0#entry802941

And here, there were more people agreeing on the Don Carlos line:
http://www.cigarlive.com/forum/showt...194#post450194

Same exact post and question, different forums so I could receive different responses to remove some bias factors that would have otherwise effected the range of answers had I only asked one forum.

EDIT: Seems like the second link didn't copy when I pressed ctrl+c

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You forgot Puff.com !?!?!?!?!?! That's your one stop shop for all things cigar. Plenty of "informative" members over there. And you won't have to worry about getting flamed for not knowing what you're talking about.

Say hello to Cigary.

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Originally Posted by kevin7

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

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Don't see any mention of your name in that post Dan. Been alive for 44 years ,if you have been blending pipe tobacco that long thats pretty cool. That and 1$ will get you a small coffee in a 7-11.

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Originally Posted by kevin7

Don't see any mention of your name in that post Dan.

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No, but you said "this is why..." so therefore you were referring to something or someone in this thread, and as I am the only new member in this thread, it can be logically deduced that you were referring to me.

And the Short Story is NOT a true Hemingway. I found the article.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...47,251,00.html

"Soon after that, the Fuentes released the Short Story, which has the distinctive Hemingway shape, but is not a Hemingway, said Wayne Suarez, a Fuente executive."

You are better than a 1/2 columbo1/2 Jesus with a phd.

well I'll be!

Uh, was there really a need to pm this to me, Dan?

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Originally Posted by chefchris

Uh, was there really a need to pm this to me, Dan?

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Ditto.....all that I asked was for you to identify your source of information. I haven't read the article yet, but I'll get to it.

...or me?


Fuente is VERY well known for producing "limited production" cigar, such as the HEMINGWAY "Between the Lines" and "Work of Art".

I suppose, since you won't see any OpusX "Chili Peppers" or Baseball Bats" on their site, they must not be true OpusX?

What about Don Carlos Lanceros? Hemingway "Nom de Plume" and "Mint Julep"?

Your question has been answered, several suggestions posted here and on other forums. Spamming your PM's about a subject like this will certainly inspire us to answer your next querry.

I feel left out! :smiley13:

Well, not really.:smiley41:

This thread has moved me to smoke my second-ever Short Story, received from a kind BOTL here. This particular one is a tiny bit on the salty side, and I don't remember that in the previous one that I smoked. Very nice - I'm burning my fingers on the nub at the moment - although it isn't my preferred taste profile. However, to get back to your original question, I think that you'll have to restrict your search to Cameron's of a similar ring or smaller.

On the blend issue, I would have included the link in/when the initial post was made. Just a thought for the future :smiley23:.

The additional PM(s) repeating your post here is a pretty dick thing to do. Definitely not the way to make friends. Does your penis feel bigger now?

I sent the PMs to the people who thought that the information that I relayed was inaccurate, because I figured that most of them would not bother coming back to this thread, and I thought they might find the information of interest since they were all unaware of it. I'm not trying to make friends, or enemies for that matter, I merely wanted to show this information to the people who thought that it wasn't true. I have no plans to ever post outside of this thread; I just wanted it to be concluded. Thank you for your time, and good bye.

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bla...bla.....bla....... good bye.

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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out