Cigars similar in taste to the Fuente Short Story>

[Dan]

Well, there are more than 3 Hemingways, and they all look pretty real to me. http://www.vitolas.net/displayimage.php?album=35&pos=7

By true, or real, I meant have the original Hemingway formula. The others, including the SHort Story have a different blend of tobacco.

[ashauler]

By true, or real, I meant have the original Hemingway formula. The others, including the SHort Story have a different blend of tobacco.

So, show us where Fuente says they are different blends. I've never heard this, nor have I ever read it anywhere. If they don't have the same flavor profile to you, that's fine, taste is after all subjective. To say they are blended with different tobacco is another matter entirely.

[bigwhiteash]

I would ask you this... If Fuente labels them and sells them under the Hemingway name... What would you call them??


A Hemingway "Work of Art", is as much a Hemingway as a Hemingway "Between the Lines".

[logan37]

By true, or real, I meant have the original Hemingway formula. The others, including the SHort Story have a different blend of tobacco.

Where are you getting this information from? In my research the blend is the same in all the hemingway cigars. To my understanding there is a specific "hemingway" blend of long filler tobacco. The only difference is the amount used for each size.

I found this interview from C.A. with Carlos Fuente Jr. (from 2005)

CA: You mentioned blending. Can you talk about how different sizes in a brand have different flavors?
Carlos Fuente: I don't blend a gran panetela the same way I would blend a double corona. They would be the same tobaccos but in different proportions. With different dimensions and different lengths, you get different cigars. Cigar making is probably the most difficult craft in the world. In the wine industry, you have a crop of grapes, you ferment them, and you mix liquids together and it becomes uniform. With cigars, you're blending solids. That's where it takes not only know-how, but also art. You're blending sometimes as many as five, six, seven different flavors together. I like to refer to them as herbs and spices. The Fuente line is extensive, and that's because it evolved. In Nicaragua, we made a certain type of cigar. Before the Cuban embargo, we made a certain type of cigar. When we moved to the Dominican Republic, a lot of the people wanted them milder. And little by little we toned them down. Around 1982, we started adjusting it back up, and we introduced the Chateau Fuente line.

[Dan]

Where are you getting this information from? In my research the blend is the same in all the hemingway cigars. To my understanding there is a specific "hemingway" blend of long filler tobacco. The only difference is the amount used for each size.

I found this interview from C.A. with Carlos Fuente Jr. (from 2005)

CA: You mentioned blending. Can you talk about how different sizes in a brand have different flavors?
Carlos Fuente: I don't blend a gran panetela the same way I would blend a double corona. They would be the same tobaccos but in different proportions. With different dimensions and different lengths, you get different cigars. Cigar making is probably the most difficult craft in the world. In the wine industry, you have a crop of grapes, you ferment them, and you mix liquids together and it becomes uniform. With cigars, you're blending solids. That's where it takes not only know-how, but also art. You're blending sometimes as many as five, six, seven different flavors together. I like to refer to them as herbs and spices. The Fuente line is extensive, and that's because it evolved. In Nicaragua, we made a certain type of cigar. Before the Cuban embargo, we made a certain type of cigar. When we moved to the Dominican Republic, a lot of the people wanted them milder. And little by little we toned them down. Around 1982, we started adjusting it back up, and we introduced the Chateau Fuente line.

There you go, just read the text I bolded. I don't know where the article I mentioned is online but I found the piece of paper I wrote the note down on, because it made everything make sense to me about the taste differences. But the interview you posted proves my point. Carlos Fuente says it right there, that he uses "different proportions" in different sized cigars, which therefore gives you a different tasting blend.

All you have to do is take the filler from a short story, and the filler from a Hemingway classic, and smoke them each out of a pipe. That's what I did when I first became confused about the taste differences. I knew the size or outer leaf could effect the taste, so when I was trying to understand why they tasted different, I took them to the pipe. Try it yourself, you'll notice that the tastes are quite different.

Well a robusto is going to be around 50-52 ring guage and the little Special G is probably around 46 at the widest part of the body. Also, I don't care for the Special G maduro, they do not taste like the Short Story at all. Try a natural Special G. At around $2.50 you can't go wrong.

I know, it just was the closest I had come so far, it's just that the minute I taste that smooth leathery taste I think short story. I'll pick up a natural special g the next time I'm at the smoke shop.

[logan37]

It doesn't prove your point. The tobacco blend used in every single Hemingway is the same. The proportions of each particular tobacco, in the blend, is slightly different in each size.

I think you're misusing the word "blend" as it's used in cigar terms. Blend is the combination of tobaccos used in the filler of a cigar. Every single line of cigars has the same blend of tobacco within that line. The proportions vary in each size of that line, but the blend is the same. i.e. every single A.F. Hemingway cigar has the same blend used in them, every single Don Lino Africa cigar has the same blend used in them, so on and so forth.

All A.F. Hemingways are "true" Hemingways.

[Dan]

It doesn't prove your point. The tobacco blend used in every single Hemingway is the same. The proportions of each particular tobacco, in the blend, is slightly different in each size.

I think you're misusing the word "blend" as it's used in cigar terms. Blend is the combination of tobaccos used in the filler of a cigar. Every single line of cigars has the same blend of tobacco within that line. The proportions vary in each size of that line, but the blend is the same. i.e. every single A.F. Hemingway cigar has the same blend used in them, every single Don Lino Africa cigar has the same blend used in them, so on and so forth.

All A.F. Hemingways are "true" Hemingways.

I see that's where we're having some confusion. I'm using the term "blend" as it pertains to cooking because I'm a hobby-chef. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that a Short Story's filler has a different taste to it. As far as the "true Hemingway" comment, I'm just posting what I've read.

[kevin7]

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

[bigwhiteash]

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

I believe they now prefer to be called "Informationally Challenged Newcomers"

[ashauler]

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

Its getting clearer.

[Dan]

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

EDIT: I'm going to actually apologize for acting ungentlemanly with this post, whether it was justifiable or not. I don't appreciate being mocked, (be it directly or indirectly) and I certainly don't like being told I'm wrong about something when I'm not, especially when I've received the information in question from a primary source, (http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...47,251,00.html)

If you feel the need to read the original post, it's on the following page.

[kevin7]

And people still wonder why I hate fucking retarded newbies.

Don't see any mention of your name in that post Dan. Been alive for 44 years ,if you have been blending pipe tobacco that long thats pretty cool. That and 1$ will get you a small coffee in a 7-11.

[DeeDubya]

It doesn't prove your point. The tobacco blend used in every single Hemingway is the same. The proportions of each particular tobacco, in the blend, is slightly different in each size.

I think you're misusing the word "blend" as it's used in cigar terms. Blend is the combination of tobaccos used in the filler of a cigar. Every single line of cigars has the same blend of tobacco within that line. The proportions vary in each size of that line, but the blend is the same. i.e. every single A.F. Hemingway cigar has the same blend used in them, every single Don Lino Africa cigar has the same blend used in them, so on and so forth.

All A.F. Hemingways are "true" Hemingways.

That's right, and while we're talking proportions don't forget the binder and wrapper which also affect the flavors. Example, a Short Story is a 48 ring guage and a Masterpiece is a 52. Taking a cross section of each cigar, the Short Story would actually have a higher percentage of wrapper to filler than the Masterpiece. Therefore you would be tasting more wrapper with the Short Story. If you continue to shrink the size, the wrapper would increase in proportion to the filler until finally you would have a rolled up wrapper.

Also, a smaller ring guage nearly always burns hotter than a larger (considering that they are smoked at the same rate and the RH is the same). IMO a Short Story is best when smoked very slowly, just barely kept lit. You can really get that earthy/leathery taste. Since I usually select them when I'm short on time, I rush and smoke too fast, knowing that I'm wasting some really good tobacco.