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You all can call me an idiot (I can take it)
Here is a thought....Rather than seasoning the humidor once a year and having to temporarily displace the cigars why cant you season certain parts of the humidor throughout the year and not ever have to take the cigars out?
Okay I'm up to being called all kinds of names,,
eddie
As I understand it, seasoning the humidor just means adding enough humidity so the cedar can stabilize at 65%. Once you're there you don't need to "Re-season" the humidor unless you let it dry out. Just check the humidifier (or beads) and add water when needed.
Or am I missing something? I don't remember ever hearing about seasoning a humidor every year.
Oh wait, I didn't call you any names. Um, I'm not very good at this. Hmm, let's see . . . How about :
Booger head!
Sorry, I haven't called anybody names since I was 4 years old. I'm kind of out of practice.
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Buy a cooler and some beads...you'll need them soon enough if you stick around here. Then you don't need to season anything.
Boogerhead.
Hey Boogerhead - You don't have to season the humi once a year, just whan you first get it. The purpose is to get the inside wood humid enough so it doesn't absorb the moisture from your first few cigars. An unseasoned box will just draw moisture from the cigars into the wood. If it ever dries out then you would have to reseason it, but if you keep your credo or beads charged it will never dry out.
I like that name --- Boogerhead! "Idiot" has been taken already. :smiley2:
I couldn't help myself.
Just had to rate this thread terrible, and ding you two reputation points (or whatever their called) for coming up with the idea of taking cigars out of a humidor to season it ROFL.
That and the idea of auctioning off a whatchamacallit in here makes me have to ask: "Exactly what kind of cigars are you smoking?? "
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once again..the 62% is because the lid was open
Ok, I think I'm a bigger boogerhead than Indysmoker.... I use water from my drinking tap (it's softened and then ran through a reverse osmosis filter) to keep my (dare I say it?) sponge and silicon wet. So, feel free to berate and educate!
a fellow hoosier coming to one's aid! Booger Mcfarland plays for the colts. I take it as a compliment.:smiley41: I hope my cigars meet desert rat's approval. I guess dessert rat thought I would hav a humidor of swisher sweets?
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Originally Posted by SideWinder
I don't know what the reverse osmosis does, but don't they use salt to soften water?
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Originally Posted by Shelby07
Yeah, we use salt to soften the water. The RO filter takes 100% of most of the nasty elements in tap water out and 97% of the rest of the nasty shit. I think sodium falls in the 97% grouping. Am I abusing my cigars? The humidity levels stay pretty constant.
I don't know, but considering that a gallon of distilled water costs about 97 cents and lasts a few months, I'd just wonder why you're taking the chance with sticks that could cost quite a bit more each. Seems that might be penny wise and pound foolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by SideWinder
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Originally Posted by Shelby07
Well, damn Shelby, since you put it that way.... :smiley4:
A buddy of mine has a Reverse osmosis thingy. He has a bunch of saltwater fish tanks he has to keep supplied. I think the RO should be just as good as distilled water if you don't have to buy it(already have the RO thingy). But you still need the beads. :smiley2:
Tap water will eventually clog up whatever humification device you use and reduce its efficiency. Distilled water is cheap, buy some.
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Originally Posted by WOXOF
I have a container of Madelaine's Crystal Clear Tobacco Humidifier. Forgive my ignorance, but is that what you're calling "beads?"
having had a 200 gallon reeftank.....and A Reverse osmosis unit....it is just as good if not better than distilled water. Same thing a different way of getting there....Reverse osmosis basically runs the water through different filters using a slow and high pressurized process. one of which I know is charcoal. I used it to keep a different type of "stick" healthy....coral.....A coral frag (maybe the size of your pinky) could run anywhere from 25 to 75 and up.....RO water is okay to use.
cited proof (hey its on the internet)
The answer is distilled and r/o are so close in quality that it is a 'wash'.
Some say (I agree) that r/o has better flavor because the oxygen hasn't been boiled out of it. Distilled tends to have a 'flat' taste. R/O is far more convenient and cost effective. The difference is that distilled cost about 3 to 5 times as much per gallon to produce. My home has a special R/O lead-free tap and a connection to the ice maker. That is hard to do with any bottled water. There are some fine r/o systems out there. You can visit WQA.org and look up "drinking water devices". Whatever you choose make sure they meet the WQA and NSF standards for performance. You can check them out at NSF.org. The National Sanitation Foundation is the most respected lab for that sort of thing, and the Water Quality Association represents water treatment equipment dealers world wide. So your decision is really one of convenience and what you feel comfortable with. Good Luck, hope I helped, Fred
They'll do, but I would upgrade to the Heartfelt beads from Viper(do a search, lots of good info on them in here)Quote:
Originally Posted by SideWinder
yeah what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by indysmoker
I'm pretty sure distilled water that you find in the grocery store is more free of contaminants than the reverse osmosis water.Quote:
Originally Posted by indysmoker
You don't boil out oxygen when distilling. If you did that, you wouldn't end up with water. The process works by taking some water, boiling it so that water evaporates, while the impurities in the water does not. The evaporated, pure water vapor, is allowed to condense and is collected.
that was taken out of a website (not my personal opinion) and I think it was an opinion by the author. You do boil hydrogen and oxygen and it does remove some hydrogen and oxgen atoms.
distilling is the process of boiling contaminants out....(like a hot spring)
osmosis is the process of pushing water through layers of filters to remove the finest of particles that boiling may or may not remove....i think either is suitable for your cigars.
For god sakes in the old days they used fruit in humidors that were fertilized with human and animal feces.
lets just say that both will are acceptable. However, it is easier to just go buy a gallon of distilled water rather than buying a 189.00 reverse osmosis unit.....but if you have the ro unit..why not use it.
I'm having problems with the heartfelt industries website. It isnt coming up. I am also unable to ping the domain name. Has it changed from what is posted in Viper's profile?
You are correct to say 02 and H2 are boiled out. But when referring to distillation that is not the point. My misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by indysmoker
When distilling, contaminants are not boiled out. Water is boiled however, but the point is to recollect the water vapor. Recollecting the vapor and allowing it to condense will give you pure water. That is why it tastes flatter than the reverse osmosis unit. The RO is not as pure.
Yeah I'm familiar with RO systems. Most labs use a similar system when they need to use lab grade water. However, it is a lot bigger with many more levels of filters.
yes..i had one that did 90 gallons per day...cost me 170 i think for the unit.......i really have little scientific background (i am a managment/econ guy) so I will not pretend scientifically which is better. But I have to say it is pretty moot.....
eddie
I'm not out to argue with you, just want to get things squared away. A lab grade filtration unit will cost around $1000. I think some of the smaller basic systems will run around $750. Water from the RO unit will be better than using tap water, but I would much rather use distilled water than the RO water.Quote:
Originally Posted by indysmoker
But back to the original topic of the thread. Do you have to "Re-season" a humidor every year? It seems to me that if the RH inside the humidor is stable via whatever method or whatever moisture you use (Reverse osmosis or distilled or whatever) that there should be no reason to re-season.
Do we agree on this point?
I agree with that point and I apologize for getting us off on the Distilled vs. RO tangent. My bad! I did learn about beads though and if Viper's webpage were working, I'd be ordering some! :smiley4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dru Lee Parsec
Threadjack on:
Sidewinder, check your PM box.
Thank you. That is all.
Threadjack off.
Yeah, if it isn't broken don't try to fix it. If the humidor dries out then by all means re-season it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dru Lee Parsec
can i rub water on half of the humidorleave a damp sponge in there for 24 hours....take it out....let is sit closed for 24 hours....then do the other half....wiht now cigars touching the damp wood?
i do believe it needs to be seasoned but I dont have a cooler nor do i have another humidor
Do you have beads?Quote:
Originally Posted by indysmoker
yes
Your cigars won't dry out in a few days. If I were you I'd take them all out, wipe down the wood liberally, and let the humidor sit shut overnight. The wood should soak up all the water overnight. Then put your beads and cigars back in the next day.
now when i say beads...i bought the gel in the tubos...add water when line gets low
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OK guys, humidors don't "dry" out. If your humidor "drys" out, your cigars are also going to be dried out (and probably fucked too). To prevent this from happening, we place a humidification device inside of the humidor and ensure that there is a proper seal.
I can't believe this thread has gone soo far.
65 is hardly dried out....imho
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Originally Posted by cls515
I sure wouldn't do that...especially in the low winter humidity right now.
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I hope this answers your question Shelby..... Salt is used in a water softener, but the sat itself is not added to the water to soften it. The ions are used to clean the beads which hold the ions which create hard water.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby07
http://home.howstuffworks.com/question99.htm
Actually mine did. I neglected it for some time, and when I opened it the wood had dried and and the beads actually were covered in oil from pulling it from the wood. All I did was re-season the wood and re-activate the beads. I don't think the beads are working as good as they were because they can't keep the humidity as constant as my coolidor can, but hey, they are still working ok.Quote:
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These are beads:Quote:
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http://heartfeltindustries.com/store/index.php?cPath=22
Sorry, I should have said a properly maintained humidor. If the wood dries out, that is the least of your worries. If that happens the smokes are probably pooched as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cls515