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[CoventryCat86]

sid is not about building a community, he's ALL about building factions, carrying grudges and trashing people behind one another's backs.

When he was on the war path with CigarNoBaka, sid called me on the phone and he had himself all worked up into a tizzy about this thread:

L'Shana Tovah

sid posted something that MANY of us had no idea what it meant and he lets loose on CigarNoBaka for no reason as the referenced thread proves beyond a doubt.

So while sid is ranting on and on and on to me on the telephone about what an ignorant POS CigarNoBaka is, I kept telling him, "Sid, I don't see it that way at all. I have MANY, MANY Jewish friends and I have NEVER heard the term 'L'Shana Tovah' in my life." All of a sudden, sid gets real silent and uncomfortable and tells me he's gotta go. Come to find out, "L'Shana Tovah" is a term that Jews pretty much only use among themselves and us gentiles (non-Jews) aren't expected evern by the Jewish community to know WTF that means.

It was at that point sid felt I "betrayed" him because I refused to jump on the "Let's beat the crap out of CigarNoBaka" bandwagon and he and I never spoke on the phone again until that day he called me in early November when he was SCREAMING obscenities at me that I had to hang up on him because he was acting like an insane person who forgot to take his medications. He then called my house at least TEN other times that day. Needless to say, I didn't answer the phone and thankfully, I don't have an answering machine or I'm sure I would have been subjected to a litany of vulgarity and nasty language from this guy.

So at that point, I now become the target of sid's smear campaign and ggiese can tell you a similar story about how sid treated him the same way when he refused to join the "Let's beat the crap out of CC86" bandwagon that sid was putting together at the time.

sid has been banned from Herfer's Paradise (which is a fairly reputable LARGE cigar board) for similar behavior. Then he starts up the CigarRebellion Board with UpStateMike and actually came here to recruit members. Well wouldn't you know it, sid gets into some stupid "beef" with UpStateMike and crashes and burns on CigarRebellion and winds up getting banned from there leaving him no place to play his sick games anymore other than here.

It is absolutely amazing to me that people who I used to think were fairly intelligent and reasonable people either cannot or refuse to see this and actually think keeping this guy here is a good move.

[slcraiders]

I used to have a great deal of respect for Sid. He has a vast industry knowledge and shared a lot of tips and experience with us not-so-senior members. He had the Ask BPP thread going on which was simply comical. He and I talked on the phone and had a wonderful converstion about the ins and outs of cigars and forums etc. We have had kind email exchanges and have bombed one-another.

Looking back, I started to lose this respect with the Baka exchanges (DVM involved as well) and the whole anti-republican agenda which was quite obvious. I did not put too much seriousness into this at the time and figured folks were voicing their differences, admiring the diversity of the board, and that shit would eventually blow over.

Sid would stand behind members in spats (old and new- myself included). But late last year this started to change when he indicated in a thread or two that Baka was a piece of shit and that Sid would see to it that he was chased off. I do not recall the exact words used, but that was the message. This was so contradictory to the Sid I thought I knew. This is also more reflective of "stalking" behavior than anything CC has been accused of...

Things really went sour in my mind when, as GF points out, BPP told stjohnroe to go F*** himself over a youtube opinion. Very reactional. stjohnroe, in my time here, has been nothing but a true gentleman.

Sids posts have become less about cigars and less comical. They are now so trivial, one wonders the meaning behind some of this.

As for Shelby. I like Shelby. Not only because we have met and herfed, but also because he is a generous BOTL who embraces the spirit of this hobby we all share. My perception is that he has been pulled into the middle of this and has uneedingly been associated with BPP along with, say DVM. Shelby is not a Barry. He has strong opionions- sure, but is not narrowminded enough to choose either black or white in most situations.

On a final note, I have yet to see BPP apologize for any of these blemishes. Others, Bill included, have at least had the sack to say they were sorry when communications have gotten out of hand. Sorry, Sid, but you have gone from a forum role-model to an angry obstinate personality in the last few months.

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[CoventryCat86]

Excellent points slcraiders.

sid REFUSES to ever admit he's wrong and he's nasty and vicious. He's had almost SIX MONTHS to rectify the situation and he absolutely refuses to.

A temporary ban will accomplish nothing, he needs to be shown the door permanently.

[godfather]

It was at that point sid felt I "betrayed" him because I refused to jump on the "Let's beat the crap out of CigarNoBaka" bandwagon

Funny how sid suddenly did a 180 on all of us.

Remember the days when he heavily criticized YOU and THIS BOARD for running people off?

If not, let's review:

1) FPDoc77 comes to mind: http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2878-cc-and-the-doc.html

In addition to that thread, sid refused to help ban "FPDoc" because he thought he was a good guy...

2) Let's not forget about his "I'm pissed off at this board rant":

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t4140-im-pissed-off.html

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Funny how when sid has his "own agenda" it's ok to call individuals out publically. HOWEVER when people like CC or others "call people out" it's NOT ok. You're a hypocrite sid, plain and simple.

I do agree with slcraiders. I had respect for you too once upon a time ago sid.

[cigar no baka]

sid is not about building a community, he's ALL about building factions, carrying grudges and trashing people behind one another's backs.

When he was on the war path with CigarNoBaka, sid called me on the phone and he had himself all worked up into a tizzy about this thread:

L'Shana Tovah

sid posted something that MANY of us had no idea what it meant and he lets loose on CigarNoBaka for no reason as the referenced thread proves beyond a doubt.

So while sid is ranting on and on and on to me on the telephone about what an ignorant POS CigarNoBaka is, I kept telling him, "Sid, I don't see it that way at all. I have MANY, MANY Jewish friends and I have NEVER heard the term 'L'Shana Tovah' in my life." All of a sudden, sid gets real silent and uncomfortable and tells me he's gotta go. Come to find out, "L'Shana Tovah" is a term that Jews pretty much only use among themselves and us gentiles (non-Jews) aren't expected evern by the Jewish community to know WTF that means.

It was at that point sid felt I "betrayed" him because I refused to jump on the "Let's beat the crap out of CigarNoBaka" bandwagon and he and I never spoke on the phone again until that day he called me in early November when he was SCREAMING obscenities at me that I had to hang up on him because he was acting like an insane person who forgot to take his medications. He then called my house at least TEN other times that day. Needless to say, I didn't answer the phone and thankfully, I don't have an answering machine or I'm sure I would have been subjected to a litany of vulgarity and nasty language from this guy.

So at that point, I now become the target of sid's smear campaign and ggiese can tell you a similar story about how sid treated him the same way when he refused to join the "Let's beat the crap out of CC86" bandwagon that sid was putting together at the time.

sid has been banned from Herfer's Paradise (which is a fairly reputable LARGE cigar board) for similar behavior. Then he starts up the CigarRebellion Board with UpStateMike and actually came here to recruit members. Well wouldn't you know it, sid gets into some stupid "beef" with UpStateMike and crashes and burns on CigarRebellion and winds up getting banned from there leaving him no place to play his sick games anymore other than here.

It is absolutely amazing to me that people who I used to think were fairly intelligent and reasonable people either cannot or refuse to see this and actually think keeping this guy here is a good move.

Thanks Bill. Good points showing how BPP aka Sid gets on a hate-filled warpath and will slam you and attempt to make you look like you're wrong, and in his attempts to do so, continues to dig his own hole. And it's no surprise he has been banned at other boards, if he acts the same way he does here.

[cigarsarge]

Sid...You need to make a statment on your behalf. If not I encourage you to resign your account. At least you would leave with dignity that way.

You have been a friend to me and I appreciate that...But your silence is disturbing. If hex told you to be silent that is is of no matter now. Your back is against the wall and the clock is ticking.

I'm gonna have to vote on this one...But I'd rather wait till after you make some kind of statment. My vote will be for the good of the board as I see it. One way or another this is a major turning point.

Speak your mind...Resign...Or accept whatever happens. I'm sorry it's come to this.

[SmokinDVM]

Wake up and smell the crap you're shoveling.

Bill, and his buddies, are angelic, and Sid's the devil.

You people are absolutely asinine. Now I remember why I quit posting so much.

[nhcigarfan]

Wake up and smell the crap you're shoveling.

Bill, and his buddies, are angelic, and Sid's the devil.

You people are absolutely asinine. Now I remember why I quit posting so much.

[SmokinDVM]

See, I can make completely useless posts too.

[cigarsarge]

By the way...Sid is blkfrankwhite at HP.