bigpoppapuff ban poll

[prophetic_joe]

Who are these "many" of which you speak? SFG75, PuroBrat, Corona Gigante, tony dogs, walkinghammer, 420seth, Oblik, Amanda, TBS Cigars, chugg, Iced T, neuromancer, the ox, razrbckcrazy? I still am waiting for someone to tell me which supposedly "great contributors" we lost because I can't think of a single one. There are over 2500 members here and the people who have either been run off or banned aren't missed one bit.

Dan, I'm really starting to wonder about you.......

I can actually name a few guys who aren't around anymore, no idea what there reasons are as they did not say why they are gone, but Godfather and Ukyfan come to mind first off. I hope they didn't leave because of this type of deal but you really never know.

As far as the BPP thing goes I agree with Shag.

[CoventryCat86]

I can actually name a few guys who aren't around anymore, no idea what there reasons are as they did not say why they are gone, but Godfather and Ukyfan come to mind first off. I hope they didn't leave because of this type of deal but you really never know.

As far as the BPP thing goes I agree with Shag.

Godfather is around so he has not left.

Ukyfan was here an hour ago and still posts pretty regularly so he hasn't left either.

[godfather]

You're done here sid, plain and simple...

I've been gone a while and had the chance to "catch up" on what's been going on.

All in all, I'm really disappointed to see the downturn you've taken with this board. This isn't the sid I remember when I was actively posting on this board.

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These are a couple of your posts that raised red flags:

1)


http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...35&postcount=1

Short version:

1) .."my friendship with george can never be repaired...his stalking me and posting lies tells me what kind of person he really is..."

2) Oh and let's not forget this: "want me gone??.......say the word......george...you can fuck yourself!!..."

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2)

Telling stjohnroe to "go .... himself" for not liking your youtube post?!?

Too much of the youtube already.

don't like 'em...don't look at 'em...GFY!!!!

Link: http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showthre...&highlight=GFY

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I'm not sure what happened to you, but you're done. You're done mainly for the fact that you have CLEARLY STATED you will NOT apologize and have done NOTHING wrong.

Your behavior and bad examples you set for this board for new members are definitely a concern for me.

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For the rest of you that have "beef" with Bill, I'll let you in on a little secret:

- Bill will call a spade a spade.

- He holds people to a higher standard than what SOME would like to be held accountable for.

- What I FAIL to see is that Bill is an ESTABLISHED member of this board and respected. If he was really that bad of a guy, he would have been gone LONG ago as history has taught us about these boards.

- Set aside your ego, genuinely apologize, admit to your mistake, and he'll move on. I've seen this happen several times.

- Otherwise prepare to dig yourself deeper and deeper until you can't get out of the hole you've dug. You will be held accountable for your actions until then.

I should have just sold this advice...

[CoventryCat86]

sid is not about building a community, he's ALL about building factions, carrying grudges and trashing people behind one another's backs.

When he was on the war path with CigarNoBaka, sid called me on the phone and he had himself all worked up into a tizzy about this thread:

L'Shana Tovah

sid posted something that MANY of us had no idea what it meant and he lets loose on CigarNoBaka for no reason as the referenced thread proves beyond a doubt.

So while sid is ranting on and on and on to me on the telephone about what an ignorant POS CigarNoBaka is, I kept telling him, "Sid, I don't see it that way at all. I have MANY, MANY Jewish friends and I have NEVER heard the term 'L'Shana Tovah' in my life." All of a sudden, sid gets real silent and uncomfortable and tells me he's gotta go. Come to find out, "L'Shana Tovah" is a term that Jews pretty much only use among themselves and us gentiles (non-Jews) aren't expected evern by the Jewish community to know WTF that means.

It was at that point sid felt I "betrayed" him because I refused to jump on the "Let's beat the crap out of CigarNoBaka" bandwagon and he and I never spoke on the phone again until that day he called me in early November when he was SCREAMING obscenities at me that I had to hang up on him because he was acting like an insane person who forgot to take his medications. He then called my house at least TEN other times that day. Needless to say, I didn't answer the phone and thankfully, I don't have an answering machine or I'm sure I would have been subjected to a litany of vulgarity and nasty language from this guy.

So at that point, I now become the target of sid's smear campaign and ggiese can tell you a similar story about how sid treated him the same way when he refused to join the "Let's beat the crap out of CC86" bandwagon that sid was putting together at the time.

sid has been banned from Herfer's Paradise (which is a fairly reputable LARGE cigar board) for similar behavior. Then he starts up the CigarRebellion Board with UpStateMike and actually came here to recruit members. Well wouldn't you know it, sid gets into some stupid "beef" with UpStateMike and crashes and burns on CigarRebellion and winds up getting banned from there leaving him no place to play his sick games anymore other than here.

It is absolutely amazing to me that people who I used to think were fairly intelligent and reasonable people either cannot or refuse to see this and actually think keeping this guy here is a good move.

[slcraiders]

I used to have a great deal of respect for Sid. He has a vast industry knowledge and shared a lot of tips and experience with us not-so-senior members. He had the Ask BPP thread going on which was simply comical. He and I talked on the phone and had a wonderful converstion about the ins and outs of cigars and forums etc. We have had kind email exchanges and have bombed one-another.

Looking back, I started to lose this respect with the Baka exchanges (DVM involved as well) and the whole anti-republican agenda which was quite obvious. I did not put too much seriousness into this at the time and figured folks were voicing their differences, admiring the diversity of the board, and that shit would eventually blow over.

Sid would stand behind members in spats (old and new- myself included). But late last year this started to change when he indicated in a thread or two that Baka was a piece of shit and that Sid would see to it that he was chased off. I do not recall the exact words used, but that was the message. This was so contradictory to the Sid I thought I knew. This is also more reflective of "stalking" behavior than anything CC has been accused of...

Things really went sour in my mind when, as GF points out, BPP told stjohnroe to go F*** himself over a youtube opinion. Very reactional. stjohnroe, in my time here, has been nothing but a true gentleman.

Sids posts have become less about cigars and less comical. They are now so trivial, one wonders the meaning behind some of this.

As for Shelby. I like Shelby. Not only because we have met and herfed, but also because he is a generous BOTL who embraces the spirit of this hobby we all share. My perception is that he has been pulled into the middle of this and has uneedingly been associated with BPP along with, say DVM. Shelby is not a Barry. He has strong opionions- sure, but is not narrowminded enough to choose either black or white in most situations.

On a final note, I have yet to see BPP apologize for any of these blemishes. Others, Bill included, have at least had the sack to say they were sorry when communications have gotten out of hand. Sorry, Sid, but you have gone from a forum role-model to an angry obstinate personality in the last few months.

Rant-off

[CoventryCat86]

Excellent points slcraiders.

sid REFUSES to ever admit he's wrong and he's nasty and vicious. He's had almost SIX MONTHS to rectify the situation and he absolutely refuses to.

A temporary ban will accomplish nothing, he needs to be shown the door permanently.

[godfather]

It was at that point sid felt I "betrayed" him because I refused to jump on the "Let's beat the crap out of CigarNoBaka" bandwagon

Funny how sid suddenly did a 180 on all of us.

Remember the days when he heavily criticized YOU and THIS BOARD for running people off?

If not, let's review:

1) FPDoc77 comes to mind: http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2878-cc-and-the-doc.html

In addition to that thread, sid refused to help ban "FPDoc" because he thought he was a good guy...

2) Let's not forget about his "I'm pissed off at this board rant":

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t4140-im-pissed-off.html

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Funny how when sid has his "own agenda" it's ok to call individuals out publically. HOWEVER when people like CC or others "call people out" it's NOT ok. You're a hypocrite sid, plain and simple.

I do agree with slcraiders. I had respect for you too once upon a time ago sid.

[cigar no baka]

sid is not about building a community, he's ALL about building factions, carrying grudges and trashing people behind one another's backs.

When he was on the war path with CigarNoBaka, sid called me on the phone and he had himself all worked up into a tizzy about this thread:

L'Shana Tovah

sid posted something that MANY of us had no idea what it meant and he lets loose on CigarNoBaka for no reason as the referenced thread proves beyond a doubt.

So while sid is ranting on and on and on to me on the telephone about what an ignorant POS CigarNoBaka is, I kept telling him, "Sid, I don't see it that way at all. I have MANY, MANY Jewish friends and I have NEVER heard the term 'L'Shana Tovah' in my life." All of a sudden, sid gets real silent and uncomfortable and tells me he's gotta go. Come to find out, "L'Shana Tovah" is a term that Jews pretty much only use among themselves and us gentiles (non-Jews) aren't expected evern by the Jewish community to know WTF that means.

It was at that point sid felt I "betrayed" him because I refused to jump on the "Let's beat the crap out of CigarNoBaka" bandwagon and he and I never spoke on the phone again until that day he called me in early November when he was SCREAMING obscenities at me that I had to hang up on him because he was acting like an insane person who forgot to take his medications. He then called my house at least TEN other times that day. Needless to say, I didn't answer the phone and thankfully, I don't have an answering machine or I'm sure I would have been subjected to a litany of vulgarity and nasty language from this guy.

So at that point, I now become the target of sid's smear campaign and ggiese can tell you a similar story about how sid treated him the same way when he refused to join the "Let's beat the crap out of CC86" bandwagon that sid was putting together at the time.

sid has been banned from Herfer's Paradise (which is a fairly reputable LARGE cigar board) for similar behavior. Then he starts up the CigarRebellion Board with UpStateMike and actually came here to recruit members. Well wouldn't you know it, sid gets into some stupid "beef" with UpStateMike and crashes and burns on CigarRebellion and winds up getting banned from there leaving him no place to play his sick games anymore other than here.

It is absolutely amazing to me that people who I used to think were fairly intelligent and reasonable people either cannot or refuse to see this and actually think keeping this guy here is a good move.

Thanks Bill. Good points showing how BPP aka Sid gets on a hate-filled warpath and will slam you and attempt to make you look like you're wrong, and in his attempts to do so, continues to dig his own hole. And it's no surprise he has been banned at other boards, if he acts the same way he does here.

[cigarsarge]

Sid...You need to make a statment on your behalf. If not I encourage you to resign your account. At least you would leave with dignity that way.

You have been a friend to me and I appreciate that...But your silence is disturbing. If hex told you to be silent that is is of no matter now. Your back is against the wall and the clock is ticking.

I'm gonna have to vote on this one...But I'd rather wait till after you make some kind of statment. My vote will be for the good of the board as I see it. One way or another this is a major turning point.

Speak your mind...Resign...Or accept whatever happens. I'm sorry it's come to this.

[SmokinDVM]

Wake up and smell the crap you're shoveling.

Bill, and his buddies, are angelic, and Sid's the devil.

You people are absolutely asinine. Now I remember why I quit posting so much.

[nhcigarfan]

Wake up and smell the crap you're shoveling.

Bill, and his buddies, are angelic, and Sid's the devil.

You people are absolutely asinine. Now I remember why I quit posting so much.

[cls515]

Chris correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he was offended by the video. Chris knows how ridiculous the message was in that video and would never associate himself with a message like that.

I think Chris and I share similar beliefs and the video did not offend me. Honestly I still don't know if the guy in the video is for real or not. If so, ...........geez.......

[chefchris]

Chris correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he was offended by the video. Chris knows how ridiculous the message was in that video and would never associate himself with a message like that.

I think Chris and I share similar beliefs and the video did not offend me. Honestly I still don't know if the guy in the video is for real or not. If so, ...........geez.......

Correct, I was not offended by the video. I hoped that's not how he or anyone viewed me, but offended? no.

[Dickson]

WTF is going on around here!!!!! Is this retribution!!!! I for one will have no part of it. Although, I did vote, no ban. BPP has helped me and many others when, we first came to the site. I know he will help countless more. I thought CC's ban poll was ludicrous and I feel the same way about this one. I for one am starting not to like it around here. JMHO

[cigarsarge]

Sid just PMed me and asked if I would post something he posted at Herfers Paradise on December 01, 2005. Anyway my computer won't let me post links to HP for some reason.

Anyway in the post he discusses a brain scan and he fears Altzheimers Disease. He has told me a couple of times he is in early stages of it and it could affect his behavior. I believe he was sincere in our discussions.

Anyway the post was made...I read it. If you wish to research it go ahead.

I can't positively confirm it to be truthfull. I will say I have family members that have this disease and it does make their behavior strange.

Make your own assumptions on the info at hand.

[bigpoppapuff]

trust me,ken...i'm hoping it's slow...i wouldn't joke about something like this...

[nhcigarfan]

Now that you're here. How about addressing the concerns of the members?

[cigarsarge]

Now that you're here. How about addressing the concerns of the members?

I sincerely think that is in order.

[CoventryCat86]

Sid just PMed me and asked if I would post something he posted at Herfers Paradise on December 01, 2005. Anyway my computer won't let me post links to HP for some reason.

Anyway in the post he discusses a brain scan and he fears Altzheimers Disease. He has told me a couple of times he is in early stages of it and it could affect his behavior. I believe he was sincere in our discussions.

Anyway the post was made...I read it. If you wish to research it go ahead.

I can't positively confirm it to be truthfull. I will say I have family members that have this disease and it does make their behavior strange.

Make your own assumptions on the info at hand.

This is the first I've heard about the supposed "Alzheimer's." While he was screming at me on the phone in November, he tried the same sympathy crap with me but it was a completely different disease (at that time it was diabetes). My mother and all of her sisters had Alzheimer's and it didn't affect them until they were in their 80's. sid says he's in his late 40s so I highly doubt he's suffering any effects from this alledged disease at this point. Alzheimer's affects one's MEMORY, it doesn't turn them into belligerent, bigoted assholes who conciously and systematically act like scumbags behind the scenes and spend better parts of their days deliberately causing trouble on a freakin' internet board.

So tell me Ken, you're in Law Enforcement correct? When a suspect kills someone, do you let him off when he tells you he did it because he was having a bad day?

[cigarsarge]

This is the first I've heard about the supposed "Alzheimer's." While he was screming at me on the phone in November, he tried the same sympathy crap with me but it was a completely different disease (at that time it was diabetes). My mother and all of her sisters had Alzheimer's and it didn't affect them until they were in their 80's. sid says he's in his late 40s so I highly doubt he's suffering any effects from this alledged disease at this point. Alzheimer's affects one's MEMORY, it doesn't turn them into belligerent, bigoted assholes who conciously and systematically act like scumbags behind the scenes and spend better parts of their days deliberately causing trouble on a freakin' internet board.

So tell me Ken, you're in Law Enforcement correct? When a suspect kills someone, do you let him off when he tells you he did it because he was having a bad day?

Bill...Altzheimers affects people differently. I have an aunt that is mid-stage and she is sweet and nice one minute and she is bellegerant and a total asshole in her acting out state...She breaks down mentally. Another symptom is memory loss. It's followed my the breakdown on the nervous system that eventually kills the person with it. She has called her nursing staff things I apologized to them for. The next instant she is calling them honey and sweety.

By the way my dad shows signs of it. If in fact he has it I stand a 50% chance of getting it... According to the docs I've talked to about it.

It does start showing signs in people as young as 40...I've seen it. My aunt is in a ward that is made for people with it. In my conversations with staff it can have an early onset.

Yep...I'm in law enforcment. I deal with people that have had a bad day every day. Do I let em off the hook...Hell no. I lock em up and let the courts decide what's best. Sometimes they let em go to treatment or they sentance em to jail...Kinda like what is going on here.

I think Sid is in his mid 50's...Not late 40s.