Hershey wants to know...

**ggiese** · 09-29-2007, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shelby07

Well, again we seem to disagree. I wrote exactly what I meant.

It seems to me that more folks here who have voiced an opinion seem to like an agenda free, less bashing board than not. That was my take on it...

but I'm not gonna split hairs.

It's like saying, "Most people like Hillary Clinton" - Well, that really does depend on who you ask... Sure - 43% of those that would want a Democrat in office like Hillary, but that doesn't mean that MOST people like Hillary. I think you could also say that most people like George Bush - I mean, he is the president and was elected by the majority, right?

I don't know if that's "splitting hairs" - it sure does seems like it's more like your
perspective to me...

**CgarDan** · 09-29-2007, 11:09 PM

common George

We all have our faults. Some of us misspell every once in a while like; others sometimes speak their minds even if against the more established members, some guys actually like CL and what it offers, a few use cartoons to express themselves, a few people have actually admitted publicly to be friends of CC

and GOD forgive those who smoke something like Jamaica gold every once in a while

but you know what .......

If not for these imperfections we would all be VERY VERY BORING

I as some may see am I little crazy for saying this ... but what the hell,,,, I propose we agree that it is the differences that make is unique and who we are and maybe we can all stop jumping on every little thing that we might feel is not exactly to our standards and take
out a nice cigar from our humis light it up and make one big massive smoke cloud

I am contributing as we speak with a Big Fat La Gloria Cubana Maduro Serie R

**Shelby07** · 09-30-2007, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by ggiese

It's like saying, "Most people like Hillary Clinton" - Well, that really does depend on who you ask... Sure - 43% of those that would want a Democrat in office like Hillary, but that doesn't mean that MOST people like Hillary. I think you could also say that most people like George Bush - I mean, he is the president and was elected by the majority, right?

I don't know if that's "splitting hairs" - it sure does seems like it's more like your
perspective to me...

I'll reply as a courtesy, but this whole conversation seems pretty meaningless to me...

If you are referring to my previous statement, then I can see where your confusion is. You see, I never said my previous statement was a definitive statement of fact, as you apparantly understood it to be, I stated it as an opinion. Although I appreciate your efforts to help me understand the error in my statement, in actuality there was no error. You are simply confused. Your confusion is evident in the way you compare my actual statement to your hypothetical one about Hillary Clinton. Now if you had said in your example

It's like saying, "It seemed to me that most people like Hillary Clinton"

I'd agree with you about the comparison of the two statements (but certainly not about Hillary Clinton because it seems to me that most people do NOT like Hillary Clinton. )

...so I stand by my original statement, which was...

Yeah, I did see that Hershey Walker was not happy with the direction the board is taking, but it seemed to me that most folks disagreed with him.

So, now that we have that bit of confusion straightened out, let me try to help you. Are you trying to say that it seems to you that most people agreed with Hershey Walker? If that's what you mean, then you should just say it. As long as you put it that way then we wouldn't have any misunderstanding or disagreement and we can get on with talking about how we can make this board better. In fact, if that is what you are saying, that would actually explain our difference of opinion.

Of course, if that isn't what you are saying, or if you don't have an opinion one way or the other, then, in my humble opinion, this conversation is either splitting hairs, totally meaningless or a fishing expedition and we can end it right here.

Oh yeah, here's another opinion... It seems to me that splitting hairs over spelling on a public forum with someone who is not native to this country yet can speak our language better than many native born Americans is not only totally meaningless but kinda tacky. Now, just so there's no misunderstanding here, that is just my own opinion. But then again, you know what they say about opinions...

**ggiese** · 10-01-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Shelby07

I'll reply as a courtesy, but this whole conversation seems pretty meaningless to me...

If you are referring to my previous statement, then I can see where your confusion is. You see, I never said my previous statement was a definitive statement of fact, as you apparantly understood it to be, I stated it as an opinion. Although I appreciate your efforts to help me understand the error in my statement, in actuality there was no error. You are simply confused. Your confusion is evident in the way you compare my actual statement to your hypothetical one about Hillary Clinton. Now if you had said in your example

It's like saying, "It seemed to me that most people like Hillary Clinton"

I'd agree with you about the comparison of the two statements (but certainly not about Hillary Clinton because it seems to me that most people do NOT like Hillary Clinton. )

...so I stand by my original statement, which was...

So, now that we have that bit of confusion straightened out, let me try to help you. Are you trying to say that it seems to you that most people agreed with Hershey Walker? If that's what you mean, then you should just say it. As long as you put it that way then we wouldn't have any misunderstanding or disagreement and we can get on with talking about how we can make this board better. In fact, if that is what you are saying, that would actually explain our difference of opinion.

Of course, if that isn't what you are saying, or if you don't have an opinion one way or the other, then, in my humble opinion, this conversation is either splitting hairs, totally meaningless or a fishing expedition and we can end it right here.

Oh yeah, here's another opinion... It seems to me that splitting hairs over spelling on a public forum with someone who is not native to this country yet can speak our language better than many native born Americans is not only totally meaningless but kinda tacky. Now, just so there's no misunderstanding here, that is just my own opinion. But then again, you know what they say about opinions...

Yep - gotcha... Lots of "seems to me..." Makes sense to me it "seems like to" you!!!

...and it "seems like to" me that "tacky" is what my wife does to the decorating of the house, if I let her. "Totally Meaningless" is the promise from my son to fill his bank account, rather than spend his money on video games. Those two descriptions just don't do it for me when it comes to helping someone with their spelling/grammar...

Besides - is it "tacky" and "totally meaningless" that CigarDan is DEFINITELY showing an improvement in his spelling and grammar since he first came here? "COMMON" (as they like to say in Eastern Europe!)

I'm just truly thankful that I don't participate on any Eastern European online cigar board - they'd DESTROY me if I tried to communicate in their native language...

**Shagaroo** · 10-01-2007, 01:58 PM

So Bill, er... George. How long can we expect you to be all butt hurt over Bill getting tossed? I mean, the whining before was bad enough, but pretending to be Bill is pretty pathetic. I think the fact that Dan is actually a decent human being earns him the right to misspell things if he so chooses to not be an anal retentive jackass.

**nhcigarfan** · 10-01-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shagaroo

.... chooses to ....anal .....

This is no time to talk love'n.

**ggiese** · 10-01-2007, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Shagaroo

So Bill, er... George. How long can we expect you to be all butt hurt over Bill getting tossed? I mean, the whining before was bad enough, but pretending to be Bill is pretty pathetic. I think the fact that Dan is actually a decent human being earns him the right to misspell things if he so chooses to not be an anal retentive jackass.

Oh, Jack... You're just all butt-hurt because I didn't offer to wash and wax your car when I come into town tomorrow/Wednesday...

Friggen grouch...

**cigar no baka** · 10-02-2007, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by ggiese

Oh, Jack... You're just all butt-hurt because I didn't offer to wash and wax your car when I come into town tomorrow/Wednesday...

Friggen grouch...

My butt hurtz from this cheap ass chair I have to sit in all day at my office. If I can get any recommendations on a good butt massage place, it would be greatly appreciated

**Bassfever** · 10-03-2007, 08:03 AM

I hear you can get your butt massaged at the State penitentiary

**Shelby07** · 10-01-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by ggiese

Yep - gotcha... Lots of "seems to me..." Makes sense to me it "seems like to" you!!!

...and it "seems like to" me that "tacky" is what my wife does to the decorating of the house, if I let her. "Totally Meaningless" is the promise from my son to fill his bank account, rather than spend his money on video games. Those two descriptions just don't do it for me when it comes to helping someone with their spelling/grammar...

Besides - is it "tacky" and "totally meaningless" that CigarDan is DEFINITELY showing an improvement in his spelling and grammar since he first came here? "COMMON" (as they like to say in Eastern Europe!)

I'm just truly thankful that I don't participate on any Eastern European online cigar board - they'd DESTROY me if I tried to communicate in their native language...

Good. I'm glad we got that all sorted out. It surprises me somewhat that it isn't realized that most everything on these discussion forums is opinion. I have tried in the past to state things in a way that reflected my thoughts as opinions. I guess I need to do a better job.

...and since you brought it up

The American Heritage Dictionary lists one of its definitions for the word "tacky" as "Distasteful or offensive; tasteless: a tacky remark."

and by "meaningless" I was using it in the context of something totally unrelated to the discussion at hand. In the context of the post, I feel that your attempt to interject a grammatical correction did nothing to clarify or discuss your position on the point Dan was trying to make, which was we should value our differences and diversity, and could actually be considered a hinderence to keeping the discussion on track. I think it was a bit offensive (i.e., tacky) that you chose to correct him on something so petty on a public forum... but that's just my opinion.

It does seem to me that one or two folks here have felt an obligation from time to time to *help* others by publicly correcting grammar and spelling errors. In my opinion, if someone wants to give constructive criticism, it is something that is better given in private. I feel that if someone really has a need to point out a *personally perceived* weakness, it'd probably be much more appropriate to send a PM. In my opinion, criticism, whether constructive or otherwise, is still just that... criticism. I'd personally compare it to having your boss give you your review at the water cooler or in the company newsletter.

By the way, I really want to say that I never knew that Dan was a foreign national until I met him in Atlanta, so I guess I really never noticed anything in his posts that would suggest he needed any help. His posts have always come across to me as intelligent and well thought out; much more so, to me, than a lot of posters I've seen here and on other forums who were born in this country. I guess that's probably why I never noticed the "improvement" you speak of.

...and to your comment about Americans participating on European boards...

You needn't be afraid of it. I travel a lot to Europe, as Pauline is a foreign national also. The folks there are much more tolerant and understanding of those of us who don't speak their language "too good." In fact, they seem genuinely grateful when Americans make an effort to speak in the local language or dialog. Of course, that is just a personal observation.

**cigarsarge** · 10-01-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Shelby07

By the way, I really want to say that I never knew that Dan was a foreign national until I met him in Atlanta, so I guess I really never noticed anything in his posts that would suggest he needed any help. His posts have always come across to me as intelligent and well thought out; much more so, to me, than a lot of posters I've seen here and on other forums who were born in this country. I guess that's probably why I never noticed the "improvement" you speak of.

Damn...You learn something every day. I don't care where Dan is from or how he got here. He communicates quite well. I understand him completely...Always have.

What I like about Dan is the genuine from the heart way he comes across. He takes time to insure his posts are not insulting and overbearing.

The "Mrs. Crabtree" attitude turns most people off...Seems like people would learn from others mistakes.