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    Quote Originally Posted by SFG75
    Awwwww come on Bill!. Bush-boy has stated that he and Blair were never in cohoots about planning the war. This document clearly proves that he lied!. They were going to go through with this no matter what, and the word "fix" is even used in there!!. They talked openly about fixing it up, sexing it up, dressing it up, in essence, to do anything to get the evidence to point where they wanted so they could do whatever they wanted. Yellow-cake uranium?.......The Iraqi agent meeting an Al-Qaeda rep in Prague?.....WMDs, all pure fiction. All a lie so that George could get his own "splendid little war)(A little TR lingo there for ya)

    Sorry to disagree with you Scott but one alleged document with questionable authenticity does not "clearly prove" that he lied. You can say that post 9/11 our administration had made up their mind to kick the living out of all those involved. So if that proves that they planned it all along then GREAT! Better plan ahead than to rush right in. AND if I recall . . . and correct me if I am wrong . . . every Republican and just about every Democrat supported Bush and the military with their intention to go over there and make some changes . . . military style.

    Now that things are 3+ years removed from 9/11 too many people (and even one is too many) have forgotten the events of 9/11 and how we got ourselves in that position to be attacked (you can thank 8 years of Clinton/Gore for that) Because 9/11 is unfortunately fading from the collective consciousness (did you know that the news media will no longer show the pictures of that day) the Democrates are using the war for a political stump to rally all the anti-war left wing liberals together and re-live the 60's radical protest culture. SHAME ON THEM!

    And SHAME on those who do not support the troops This is regardless of your political views of the war for it is the soldier who dies for your right to have political beliefs and you right to stand up with conviction and denounce our government when you are displeased with their actions.

    So Scott . . . while I sincerely honor and respect your views and have the utmost respect for EVERYONE'S Constitutional right to free speech. I must respectfully disagree and hope that you will look back on 9/11 with reverence, respect and anger that we let this happen to us in our own country.

    I will leave you with a very profound quote:

    "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiams, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at best knows in the end triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory or defeat . . . Still less room is there for those who deride of slight what is done by those who actually bear the brunt of the day . . . "

    This is actually a part of a MUCH longer speech all of which is VERY good.

    In fact since I am in a good mood . . . the first person to PM me with the name of the person who spoke these words will get a small package of cigars sent to them.

    Since this was rather long consider it my $.04
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    PM sent Jason.

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    Someone remind me of exactly how Saddam was involved in 911.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yarimurray
    Someone remind me of exactly how Saddam was involved in 911.
    oh lord......

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    oh lord......
    Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yarimurray
    Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.

    How are they worse off? Seems to me we have liberated country of 50 million people. I guess getting to vote makes one worse off. I guess no more ethnic cleansing makes one worse off.

    I guess I just don't get it.

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    How are they worse off? Seems to me we have liberated country of 50 million people. I guess getting to vote makes one worse off. I guess no more ethnic cleansing makes one worse off.
    I did say "in some ways." For example, infrastructure is still about the same as when Saddam was in power, despite millions of dollars to Dick Chenney's cronies. I'm not saying ethnic cleansing is good but this thread was regarding the connection between 911 and Saddam and Iraq not whether or not we are responsible for stopping ethnic cleansing. What about Darfur? Oh, wait, I guess they were not involved in 911. (my bad )

    I guess I just don't get it.
    I guess you don't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yarimurray
    Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.
    Yeah I agree. Freedom, Voting, Free Thinking, Free Press, Representative Government, Human Rights, Sports (not killings and military training) at the stadiums . . . sounds like they are much worse off. I am sure they want Saddam back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yarimurray
    Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.
    I'm not as well versed in words as some people on this board... so let me start by saying this. If you are so concerned about the Iraqi people and their suffering.... HOP ON THE NEXT F*CKING PLANE TO IRAQ and go help them.... If you really think that Saddam had no involvement in any terrorist acts then you need to get your head out of your ass..... You live in California.... I'm sure the terrorists would love to strike there.... I lost friends, co-workers, neighbors and friends lost family... 3000+ civilians died, 343 Firefighters, 23 NYC Police Officers and 37 Port Authority Police Officers (+1 K-9)... for the next 6 months I lived in fear everyday that when I went to work I was going to die..... The days after Sept 11... I was assigned to a detail to look for "body parts" on nearby roofs..... and to dig thru "Ground Zero" hoping to recover some people. You can take your Liberal bullshit and shove it up your ASS..... This country is a safer place with Saddam out of power


    BTW.... Amen grand

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    It was too far away from California, BK - It shocked and stunned the nation long enough for the liberals to HAVE TO vote for going to war... And then their interest dropped off... VERY quickly afterwards....

    Maybe the liberals should separate themselves from the right thinking population - create their own Utopian society where leaders like Bill Clinton can be praised for his TREMENDOUS work in bringing about peace... The BS artist did nothing more than mask what the terrorists were doing, while they built up their forces, trained them, and then attacked. Launch a 2 million dollar missile into a $10 tent in the desert is the best fireworks show you're going to get out of the liberals... Osama was laughing his ASS off at Clinton's attempt to "punish" him...

    Seperate yourself, because the terrorists are looking for a fat soft US target to hit...

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    Sorry to disagree with you Scott but one alleged document with questionable authenticity does not "clearly prove" that he lied.
    LMAO!! Excellent point Jason!!

    You oughta see the way his liberal butt buddies repeatedly do this on his lefty "America's Debate" site. The lefties see something posted by "leftcoast.com" or the "democraticunderground" then quote it like it's the truth or something and try to get a "debate" going with all their bravado in an attempt to convince others that their lies are reality. LMAO, it doesn't work.

    Hey Scotty, you CLAIM that Rush Limbaugh "pisses you off" but how's that Democratic voter registration drive going in Clay County? You guys crack the 30% registered Democrats level yet? Actually never mind doing that, your talents are far more valuable spewing your liberal horseshit here on on your "debate" boards. After all, you're just so knowledgeable and sooooooooo SMART!!!!!

    Oh and yarimurray, try your best to keep this "on topic" okay? Scotty started this thread with some bullshit to try and "prove" some "fix" was in between Bush and Tony Blair and now you're babbling about Dick Cheney and Haliburton.
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    Maybe Dan Rather Could sort all this out!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cigarsarge
    Maybe Dan Rather Could sort all this out!!!
    LMAO!! Now THERE'S a guy with "credibility"

    Isn't he from Nebraska?
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    Oh and yarimurray, try your best to keep this "on topic" okay? Scotty started this thread with some bullshit to try and "prove" some "fix" was in between Bush and Tony Blair and now you're babbling about Dick Cheney and Haliburton.
    All part of the "fix" my friend. That discussion would appear more "on topc" than voter registration in Nebraska or red herring arguments about another forum, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaewing
    I will leave you with a very profound quote:

    "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiams, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at best knows in the end triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory or defeat . . . Still less room is there for those who deride of slight what is done by those who actually bear the brunt of the day . . . "

    This is actually a part of a MUCH longer speech all of which is VERY good.

    In fact since I am in a good mood . . . the first person to PM me with the name of the person who spoke these words will get a small package of cigars sent to them.

    Since this was rather long consider it my $.04

    Just got the Package from Jason Great assortment of Cigars. Just want to thank you for the contest.

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    Damn... You jumped on that contest way too quick... I knew that one (my boss has it hanging in his office)...

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    Last edited by ggiese; 06-17-2005 at 12:45 PM. Reason: Fix spelling error - sorry CC...

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    Getting slow in your old age.

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    I knew it too. It's in a list of some of my favorite quotes. Too bad I don't surf the internet on the weekends.

    You gave me an idea. I'll post the quotes in a thread!

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