Finding a "fix" to get a war

[Diesel Grinch]

PM sent Jason.

[yarimurray]

Someone remind me of exactly how Saddam was involved in 911.

[labmonkey]

Someone remind me of exactly how Saddam was involved in 911.

oh lord......

[yarimurray]

oh lord......

Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.

[cigarsarge]

Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.

How are they worse off? Seems to me we have liberated country of 50 million people. I guess getting to vote makes one worse off. I guess no more ethnic cleansing makes one worse off.

I guess I just don't get it.

[yarimurray]

How are they worse off? Seems to me we have liberated country of 50 million people. I guess getting to vote makes one worse off. I guess no more ethnic cleansing makes one worse off.

I did say "in some ways." For example, infrastructure is still about the same as when Saddam was in power, despite millions of dollars to Dick Chenney's cronies. I'm not saying ethnic cleansing is good but this thread was regarding the connection between 911 and Saddam and Iraq not whether or not we are responsible for stopping ethnic cleansing. What about Darfur? Oh, wait, I guess they were not involved in 911. (my bad )

I guess I just don't get it.

I guess you don't!

[jaewing]

I did say "in some ways." For example, infrastructure is still about the same as when Saddam was in power, despite millions of dollars to Dick Chenney's cronies. I'm not saying ethnic cleansing is good but this thread was regarding the connection between 911 and Saddam and Iraq not whether or not we are responsible for stopping ethnic cleansing. What about Darfur? Oh, wait, I guess they were not involved in 911. (my bad )



I guess you don't!

Did you happen to do any research regarding the Halliburton deal? Guess not because that research would tell you that FIRST Cheney is no longer employed by or has any interest in Haliburton and SECOND they were the only company with the resources and ability to accept the contract tin the first place.

Read more ok . . .

[jaewing]

Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.

Yeah I agree. Freedom, Voting, Free Thinking, Free Press, Representative Government, Human Rights, Sports (not killings and military training) at the stadiums . . . sounds like they are much worse off. I am sure they want Saddam back.

[Bkcloud114]

Your point being? Frankly I'm not for or against Bush. I just want him to tell the truth. It's sad really. Since we can't find and deal with those who were responsible for 911 we have to "punish" someone. What is even sadder is that the Iraqi people are, in some ways, much worse off as a result of our efforts.

I'm not as well versed in words as some people on this board... so let me start by saying this. If you are so concerned about the Iraqi people and their suffering.... HOP ON THE NEXT F*CKING PLANE TO IRAQ and go help them.... If you really think that Saddam had no involvement in any terrorist acts then you need to get your head out of your ass..... You live in California.... I'm sure the terrorists would love to strike there.... I lost friends, co-workers, neighbors and friends lost family... 3000+ civilians died, 343 Firefighters, 23 NYC Police Officers and 37 Port Authority Police Officers (+1 K-9)... for the next 6 months I lived in fear everyday that when I went to work I was going to die..... The days after Sept 11... I was assigned to a detail to look for "body parts" on nearby roofs..... and to dig thru "Ground Zero" hoping to recover some people. You can take your Liberal bullshit and shove it up your ASS..... This country is a safer place with Saddam out of power


BTW.... Amen grand

[ggiese]

It was too far away from California, BK - It shocked and stunned the nation long enough for the liberals to HAVE TO vote for going to war... And then their interest dropped off... VERY quickly afterwards....

Maybe the liberals should separate themselves from the right thinking population - create their own Utopian society where leaders like Bill Clinton can be praised for his TREMENDOUS work in bringing about peace... The BS artist did nothing more than mask what the terrorists were doing, while they built up their forces, trained them, and then attacked. Launch a 2 million dollar missile into a $10 tent in the desert is the best fireworks show you're going to get out of the liberals... Osama was laughing his ASS off at Clinton's attempt to "punish" him...

Seperate yourself, because the terrorists are looking for a fat soft US target to hit...

[yarimurray]

You "liberals" watch so much CNN that you actually start to believe your own bullcrap.

Being liberal (which I'm not), conservative, or moderate has nothing to do with discussion of facts. (Not beliefs, rumours, or wishes.) I have merely been trying to point out that these problems are very complex and not easily solved by simply attacking without planning and thinking through the objective of the attack. I've never said we should never attack (anyone heard of Kadafi (sp) lately?).

Maybe the liberals should separate themselves from the right thinking population

It's amazing to me how we've become a nation of name callers. If anyone disagrees with the status quo they are called liberal scum (or cold conservative). This name calling does nothing to solve the problems and only serves to muddy up the discussion until the issues become more blurred and more complicated.

How about a little respect for the nation you live in? How about a little respect for the soldiers who protect you and others with their lives?

And one more thing. I've never intimated that I do not support our troops. I have family members in Iraq (also in the first Gulf War) and I support them 100%. Questioning our government is one of the most patriotic acts a citizen can take and exactly the right and responsibility that military personnel have been fighting for since our country was born.

People obviously have a lot of passion about these issues. And so they should. However, passion should not overtake reason and balanced discussion of all sides of issues. Saddam and others have had ways to silence their citizens when they disagreed with policy. Hopefully we are above that.

Michael

[CoventryCat86]

Sorry to disagree with you Scott but one alleged document with questionable authenticity does not "clearly prove" that he lied.

LMAO!! Excellent point Jason!!

You oughta see the way his liberal butt buddies repeatedly do this on his lefty "America's Debate" site. The lefties see something posted by "leftcoast.com" or the "democraticunderground" then quote it like it's the truth or something and try to get a "debate" going with all their bravado in an attempt to convince others that their lies are reality. LMAO, it doesn't work.

Hey Scotty, you CLAIM that Rush Limbaugh "pisses you off" but how's that Democratic voter registration drive going in Clay County? You guys crack the 30% registered Democrats level yet? Actually never mind doing that, your talents are far more valuable spewing your liberal horseshit here on on your "debate" boards. After all, you're just so knowledgeable and sooooooooo SMART!!!!!

Oh and yarimurray, try your best to keep this "on topic" okay? Scotty started this thread with some bullshit to try and "prove" some "fix" was in between Bush and Tony Blair and now you're babbling about Dick Cheney and Haliburton.

[cigarsarge]

Maybe Dan Rather Could sort all this out!!!

[CoventryCat86]

Maybe Dan Rather Could sort all this out!!!

LMAO!! Now THERE'S a guy with "credibility"

Isn't he from Nebraska?

[yarimurray]

Oh and yarimurray, try your best to keep this "on topic" okay? Scotty started this thread with some bullshit to try and "prove" some "fix" was in between Bush and Tony Blair and now you're babbling about Dick Cheney and Haliburton.

All part of the "fix" my friend. That discussion would appear more "on topc" than voter registration in Nebraska or red herring arguments about another forum, no?