without a doubt, a cigar that's too moist. Sour taste goes along with it.

Salty? That's a new one on me too.

When the first H2000 wrapped cigars came out a few years back, I recall that many of them were terrible and I actually tasted a "briney fish" sort of taste. Horrible. Particularly Indian Tabac H2000 stuff but did notice it in others. I learned that many factories didn't know how to properly age H2000. That seems to be a problem that has been corrected lately though.