Where on the political spectrum do you lie? (Mods: Please don't move!)

**ggiese** · 07-17-2005, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

I'm on the Republican State Central Committee in Connecticut so GUESS

You're a damn spy for the Democrats!!!

**ggiese** · 07-17-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by hex1848

This thread really has no place in the "Cigars" forum.

Nice going, Jim... You got the boss all mad...

Sorry, Hex...

Sheesh......

**nhcigarfan** · 07-17-2005, 02:50 PM

I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I have no problem doing what I can for people but I am not sure doing it through big government is the answer. Too much over-head. As for voting, I am indy. I vote for who I believe I can trust.

Personally I don't believe is straight tic votes. If you not going to educate your self on all the positions and the people who are running for them don't just vote for them because of the party affiliation.

**Johnny** · 07-17-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by nhcigarfan

Personally I don't believe in straight tic votes. If you not going to educate your self on all the positions and the people who are running for them don't just vote for them because of the party affiliation.

As above on how to vote. Usually vote in the UK for Labour or Liberal Democrats so that puts me on the left, but with how politics is going nowadays, not by much!!

**grand cru no 2** · 07-17-2005, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bkcloud114

If I wanted to talk politics I'd go to a Political Forum....

Like Hex said..... this thread does not belong on a Cigar Board.....

Can you lock it ?

Bitch, bitch, bitch.

**CoventryCat86** · 07-17-2005, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by nhcigarfan

I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I have no problem doing what I can for people but I am not sure doing it through big government is the answer. Too much over-head. As for voting, I am indy. I vote for who I believe I can trust.

Personally I don't believe is straight tic votes. If you not going to educate your self on all the positions and the people who are running for them don't just vote for them because of the party affiliation.

I actually completely disagree with the notion that people shouldn't vote strictly on party affiliation. I've been working at the state capitol in Connecticut off and on for 12 years and what gets me is INDIVIDUALLY, many Democrat state legislators talk the story about being "conservative" when it comes to important issues like taxing and spending but when it comes down to voting 99.9% of the time they vote party lines because YOU CANNOT BUCK PARTY LEADERSHIP. So if you believe in a party's philosophical position for the most part, you really have to vote the party and not the person. nhcigarfan, you sound like today's definition of the modern Republican,

fiscally conservative with a realistic view that we must help those who cannot help themselves BUT NOT WITH BIG GOVERNMENT!!

Now I know it sounds wrong but I'm tellin' ya, I've seen too much of this nonsense first hand and that's the way it works, almost all major votes in State's legislatures are along party lines, no matter what an individual candidate may say, campaign about or whatever.......

Fortunately in New Hampshire, the Democrats will NEVER be able to get control of the House. Once in a great while they manage to get control of the State Senate but if I remember correctly, the Republicans got control back in 2002. The Democrats in New Hampshire dream about a state income tax but their candidates usually don't say it publicly. Once Democratic State Senator (McLarnen, I think her name was?) in Rochester came out and said she supported it. LMAO, guess what, she LOST (District #6, Rochester and a few surrounding towns)

**Rbraczyk** · 07-17-2005, 10:43 PM

Thanks to benson this state is all f'ed up. Good thing we have that democrat in, whoever he his. We have enough republicans in this state, so a good democrat helps level it out.

Yes, I'm newhampshirian.

**CoventryCat86** · 07-17-2005, 11:09 PM

I just checked, all is right with the world in New Hampshire. Out of 24 Senators there are 16 Republicans and only 8 Democrats.

We'll send Lynch packing in '06

Life is good

Iced T · 07-18-2005, 02:36 AM

I'm conservative, but my county voted 73.3 Kerry 25.5 Bush. Soooo.... Also check out www.protestwarrior.com, and hq.protestwarrior.com. Lots of action here near San Francisco.

**cigar no baka** · 07-18-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

I actually completely disagree with the notion that people shouldn't vote strictly on party affiliation. I've been working at the state capitol in Connecticut off and on for 12 years and what gets me is INDIVIDUALLY, many Democrat state legislators talk the story about being "conservative" when it comes to important issues like taxing and spending but when it comes down to voting 99.9% of the time they vote party lines because YOU CANNOT BUCK PARTY LEADERSHIP. So if you believe in a party's philosophical position for the most part, you really have to vote the party and not the person. nhcigarfan, you sound like today's definition of the modern Republican,

fiscally conservative with a realistic view that we must help those who cannot help themselves BUT NOT WITH BIG GOVERNMENT!!

Now I know it sounds wrong but I'm tellin' ya, I've seen too much of this nonsense first hand and that's the way it works, almost all major votes in State's legislatures are along party lines, no matter what an individual candidate may say, campaign about or whatever.......

Fortunately in New Hampshire, the Democrats will NEVER be able to get control of the House. Once in a great while they manage to get control of the State Senate but if I remember correctly, the Republicans got control back in 2002. The Democrats in New Hampshire dream about a state income tax but their candidates usually don't say it publicly. Once Democratic State Senator (McLarnen, I think her name was?) in Rochester came out and said she supported it. LMAO, guess what, she LOST (District #6, Rochester and a few surrounding towns)

I'd have to agree with CC, the parties are completely in control of what goes on, so why vote for an independent of third party, your candidate is not going to be able to accomplish much even IF they get elected.

It's funny how things change over time. I just finished a book on Texas history, "From Spindletop to WWII". Elections in Texas back around the end of the 19th century ran like 181,000 votes for the Democratic candidate for governor to 9,000 for the Republican candidate. Now here in Texas, every single state wide official (I believe, there may be a Democrat hiding in there somewhere) is a Republican. And since our judges in Texas are elected, almost every single judge in the Houston metro area is Republican.

**razrbakcrzy** · 07-18-2005, 12:00 PM

I also agree with CC. There is no need to waste your vote, it will not matter unless your candidate can work with the parties that have control. It's nice to think that the underdog might actually win but the majority rules. I am also a card carrying conservative republican and back my president 100%. Go get'em GW.

**cigarsarge** · 07-18-2005, 12:17 PM

I've been voting strickly Republican ever since I've been able to vote. Voting party lines is thr only way to see your agenda become a reality.

reaganyouth84 · 07-18-2005, 01:23 PM

I just know that Gov. Bredesen *democrat* here in TN did away with our deficit. It's not hard to get rid of a deficit though when you raise taxes across the board, and raise the state sales tax. I think TN was like 200 million dollars in the hole, and now we have like a 200 million dollar surplus, but is bredesen lowering taxes? No, of course not. Is he going to give the tax money from the surplus back to the tax payers that built it up? Nope. Oh well.

Someone mentioned earlier about the hypocracy of the Republicans because they are pro-life, yet pro-capital punishment. Call me crazy, but I think when the Dems say we all have the right to choose, and that mothers have the right to choose between keeping their unborn child, or aborting it, but then turn around and tell me that I can't have the right to choose to bear arms is maybe slllllllliiiiiiiiiiightly hypocritcal.

There is hypocracy on both sides of the aisle, but the way I look at the abortion thing is you have to be accountable for your actions. If I run off, and have sex with some girl, I know what the consequences could be. Thus there is where I make my choice, not after I knock some girl up. Anyways, that's just my 2 cents.

"...I've noticed that everyone that is for abortion has already been born."

-Ronald Reagan

-Mike

**cigar no baka** · 07-18-2005, 01:44 PM

Hypocrisy is easy to point out since no one can be 100% consistent. Can I be anti-abortion but pro-death penalty? Sure, since in my mind the former is an innocent life, while the latter has committed some crime of enormous magnitude that I think in the most severe cases their life should be forfeit. That's not hypocrisy or inconsistency, it's just my way of thinking, but others who disagree with me choose to say its both hypocritical and inconsistent, to which I say 'That's politics".

reaganyouth84 · 07-18-2005, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by cigar no baka

Hypocrisy is easy to point out since no one can be 100% consistent. Can I be anti-abortion but pro-death penalty? Sure, since in my mind the former is an innocent life, while the latter has committed some crime of enormous magnitude that I think in the most severe cases their life should be forfeit. That's not hypocrisy or inconsistency, it's just my way of thinking, but others who disagree with me choose to say its both hypocritical and inconsistent, to which I say 'That's politics".

See, I don't think its hypocritical to say you are pro-life yet pro-capital punishment. If you are dealing with an innocent unborn child that can't fend for itself, it is quite different than a human being that has done something so severe, that society sees that it would be better off without them. (I know that is kind of harsh, but thats the only way I know how to put it.)
-Mike

**Shagaroo** · 07-18-2005, 02:47 PM

I am a proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy myself and came of age during the reign of Ronaldus Maximus Reagan. Though, I did vote for Zell Miller once.

**jdavis4082** · 07-18-2005, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rbraczyk

Where on the political spectrum do you lie?

I dont lie but i suppose that if i did i would BE a politian.

reaganyouth84 · 07-18-2005, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Shagaroo

I am a proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy myself and came of age during the reign of Ronaldus Maximus Reagan. Though, I did vote for Zell Miller once.

Another Reagan Republican, owwww!!!!

Hey, Zell Miller might as well be a Republican. I know a guy who knows a guy that did an internship at the Capitol, and he said that at lunch and what not NONE of the Democrats sat with Zell. LOL
-Mike

**PetersCreek** · 07-18-2005, 04:07 PM

Veteran...gun owner...and Republican.

**cigarsarge** · 07-18-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by reaganyouth84

I just know that Gov. Bredesen *democrat* here in TN did away with our deficit. It's not hard to get rid of a deficit though when you raise taxes across the board, and raise the state sales tax. I think TN was like 200 million dollars in the hole, and now we have like a 200 million dollar surplus, but is bredesen lowering taxes? No, of course not. Is he going to give the tax money from the surplus back to the tax payers that built it up? Nope. Oh well.

-Mike

One positive thing about Bredesen he is honest. Former Gov. Sunquist, a Republican, nearly ruined our state by being dishonest to voters. He even feathered his own nest with taxpayer money. Remember the road built to his private home. Then the state income tax he proposed after he clearly stated he would never support one.

He is the biggest disapiontment I ever voted for. He thought he could justify one lie by telling another.