Interesting Cigar Facts

[prophetic_joe]

Nice posts George and Churchill's Ghost.

[badwhale]

Leaf Shades <snip> Oscuro: Very black, (also called Double Maduro), often oily in appearance; has become more popular in the 2000s; mainly grown in Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil, Mexico, and Connecticut, USA.[/FONT][/SIZE]

They don't grow that way, they're fermented that way. Also, I thought that the majority of ISOM tobacco is sold in a colorado shade, or in other words, there's rarely "maduro" ISOMs and I can't think of one "oscuro" ISOM.

Will

[Churchill's Ghost]

1. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers.

2. The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked, with the risk higher for smokers less than 65 years old, and with risk for moderate and deep inhalers reaching levels similar to cigarette smokers. However, for those who don't inhale and smoke just 1 or 2 cigars per day, the risk of dying from all causes is statistically insignificant when compared to never smokers.

3. For those who inhale or smoke several cigars a day, types of health risk can be similar to those associated with cigarette smoking: nicotine addiction, periodontal disease, tooth loss, and many types of cancer, including cancers of the mouth, throat, and esophagus. Cigar smoking can also cause cancers of the lung and larynx. Cigar smoking can also increase the risk of lung and heart diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

4. When cigar smokers don’t inhale, or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks of disease are greatly reduced compared to heavy cigar smokers. The increased risk for those smoking 1 to 2 cigars per day is too small to be statistically significant and the health risks of the 3/4 of cigar smokers who smoke less than daily are not established and are hard to measure.

Hence the the belief that cigars are better for you than cigarettes!:

[badwhale]

1. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers.

2. The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked, with the risk higher for smokers less than 65 years old, and with risk for moderate and deep inhalers reaching levels similar to cigarette smokers. However, for those who don't inhale and smoke just 1 or 2 cigars per day, the risk of dying from all causes is statistically insignificant when compared to never smokers.

3. For those who inhale or smoke several cigars a day, types of health risk can be similar to those associated with cigarette smoking: nicotine addiction, periodontal disease, tooth loss, and many types of cancer, including cancers of the mouth, throat, and esophagus. Cigar smoking can also cause cancers of the lung and larynx. Cigar smoking can also increase the risk of lung and heart diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

4. When cigar smokers don’t inhale, or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks of disease are greatly reduced compared to heavy cigar smokers. The increased risk for those smoking 1 to 2 cigars per day is too small to be statistically significant and the health risks of the 3/4 of cigar smokers who smoke less than daily are not established and are hard to measure.

Hence the the belief that cigars are better for you than cigarettes!:

These are "facts?"

WTF is going on here?

[Churchill's Ghost]

Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

- Symm B, Morgan MV, Blackshear Y, Tinsley S (2005). "Cigar smoking: an ignored public health threat". J Prim

- Burns DM (1998). "Cigar smoking: overview and current state of the science". In Shopland DR, Burns DM, Hoffman D, Cummings KM, Amacher

- Cigars: Health Effects and Trends. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph No. 9. National Cancer Institute

- Shanks TG, Burns DM (1998). "Disease consequences of cigar smoking

- 2008-10-21 Dollar KM, Mix JM, Kozlowski LT (2008). "Little cigars, big cigars: omissions and commissions of harm and harm reduction information on the Internet"

- "Questions and answers about cigar smoking and cancer" National Cancer Institute

F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say!

[Paddy]

Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

- Symm B, Morgan MV, Blackshear Y, Tinsley S (2005). "Cigar smoking: an ignored public health threat". J Prim

- Burns DM (1998). "Cigar smoking: overview and current state of the science". In Shopland DR, Burns DM, Hoffman D, Cummings KM, Amacher

- Cigars: Health Effects and Trends. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph No. 9. National Cancer Institute

- Shanks TG, Burns DM (1998). "Disease consequences of cigar smoking

- 2008-10-21 Dollar KM, Mix JM, Kozlowski LT (2008). "Little cigars, big cigars: omissions and commissions of harm and harm reduction information on the Internet"

- "Questions and answers about cigar smoking and cancer" National Cancer Institute

F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say!

Is there something wrong with you?

[bigbill1300]

Is there something wrong with you?

[badwhale]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

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F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say!

Thanks for the references. As far as I know, they are studies, not facts.

[Paddy]

I guess I'll join in

Anatomy of a Cigar

Cigar can be divided to several functional parts both in its length and in depth.

Vertically it consists of a cap, body and foot.


Cap is a loose piece of tobacco applied to the top of a cigar with natural glue. It prevents the wrapper from unraveling.


Body is the main part of cigar.


Foot (also called Tuck) is the other end of the cigar; that you light.


The body of a cigar consists of three main layers:


Filler - tobacco leaves in the middle of the cigar. The leaves that are used for the filler usually come from the top of the plant, called Ligero. They are dark and oily, burn slow and deliver most of the flavor. Filler can be long or short.


Long filler is filled with long tobacco leaves. Cigars with long filler are usually handmade, and all premium handmade cigars have long filler


Short Filler is filled with cut up pieces of tobacco, in a machine made cigar.


Binder is a tough, coarse tobacco leaf that holds the filler and the wrapper together. The leaves are harvested from the middle of the tobacco plant, Seco. They are lighter than Ligero in both color and flavor.


Wrapper is a silky leaf of tobacco that burns well. The leaves come from the bottom of the tobacco plant - Volado. The way cigar looks and feels on your lips totally depends on the wrapper.

[craig]

Please cite fully.

As an aside, the first link has nothing to do with what you have posted, and says quite the opposite in a rather humourous manner - or perhaps my sense of humour isn't quite the same as many (Cigar smoking leads to increased rates of rectal cancer). I didn't search all of them, but the general theme was the exact opposite of your statements. Did you read any of your citations?

As a second aside, here is a pdf of an interesting cigar info, an analysis of cigar ratings: http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs..._WP_201036.pdf

[heftysmokes]

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

Cite your shit, always. Otherwise you're just a plagiarist, which is just a fancy word for a thief.

[Paddy]

Cite your shit, always. Otherwise you're just a plagiarist, which is just a fancy word for a thief.

Whooops.....I got mine from Cigars4dummies.com

[ggiese]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

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F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say!

I suspect you believe there's only one Italian on his forum? ...far worse to f*ck with an Italian/German combo.

[Churchill's Ghost]

Well, seems as if my European humour is going down like the proverbial lead ballon with some of our North American cousins, lol!

Here, some cigar quotes to help the "WTF" brigade to calm down a little:

"A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." - Rudyard Kipling

"I have made it a rule never to smoke more that one cigar at a time." - Mark Twain

"The only way to break a bad habit was to replace it with a better habit.” (explaining why he switched from cigarettes to cigars) – Jack Nicholson

and last, but by no means least:

"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form.” – Winston Churchill

CG

[Paddy]

1. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers.

2. The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked, with the risk higher for smokers less than 65 years old, and with risk for moderate and deep inhalers reaching levels similar to cigarette smokers. However, for those who don't inhale and smoke just 1 or 2 cigars per day, the risk of dying from all causes is statistically insignificant when compared to never smokers.

3. For those who inhale or smoke several cigars a day, types of health risk can be similar to those associated with cigarette smoking: nicotine addiction, periodontal disease, tooth loss, and many types of cancer, including cancers of the mouth, throat, and esophagus. Cigar smoking can also cause cancers of the lung and larynx. Cigar smoking can also increase the risk of lung and heart diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

4. When cigar smokers don’t inhale, or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks of disease are greatly reduced compared to heavy cigar smokers. The increased risk for those smoking 1 to 2 cigars per day is too small to be statistically significant and the health risks of the 3/4 of cigar smokers who smoke less than daily are not established and are hard to measure.

[FONT=Palatino Linotype]Hence the the belief that cigars are better for you than cigarettes![/FONT]:

Utter Nonsense !

[Paddy]

I see you've got the "cut & paste" down pat !