Quote Originally Posted by MMAB
since everybody seems to want to stick there nose into this....here's mine.

It seems to me that the person who has the most right to post any vitriol is Sarge, yet he has not posted any. Maybe I missed it but I haven't noticed any.

Also, I understand completely that there is a sense of cameraderie among many members and the desire to rush to a friends defense can be strong.

But since Sarge has voiced little negative opinion on this (correct me if I am wrong) and ReganYouth has made a seemingly sincere apology instead of just disappearing into the outside world with Sarge's cigars (or so he says) and says he now has Sarge's cigar's to send, we should wait. If Sarge gives the all clear and forgives him for his mishap then we all should be big enough to do the same.

Would I ever do a trade with ReganYouth? Probably not. And most likely most others would not due to this incident and that's the price RY has to pay.

I probably wouldn't do a trade with any of you! Nothing personal. It's just that I don't know any of you personally and I tend to be a suspicious person by nature anyway! I have had one cigar transaction to date in all my years on the internet. It was very recent and with the first person I have ever encountered that I felt was respectable and trustworthy. Don't worry George, I like you too!

Was that ass-kissing?

As always, I still love all of you in an internet sort of way.

MMAB.. Quotes from CigarSarge...

08/25/2005
About a month ago I agreed to a trade with reganyouth84. It was more or less a blind fiver trade. I thought he was Ok.

As the story goes I send him my end. He said he had to go to the smoke shop and get my end. He PMs me back and says the shop closed early and he was not able to get em...first red flag. In the meantime my cigars are shipped in a timely manner and arrive safely. We exchange PMs and I ask when my end was comming and why it had not been shipped.

Well he replies...I ran short of money for school and have not bought your smokes.

To make a long story short I've been waiting for about three weeks and still no cigars. I have PMed him...no response. The last time he was on the board was 08/18/05.

The cigars are not the problem. I can get cigars anytime I need em. The problem is appearantly he is writing checks he can't cash or he is a scammer.

To the newbies...Don't make agreements that you can't keep your end of. Better to wait for the proper time to trade than to push it.

By the way...The cigar community is a good place. This is the first time I have had trouble with anyone over a cigar deal...But be carefull.
09/02/2005
Since he was here and did not post or attempt to communicate I feel he is truly a POS. Someone that had made an honest mistake would have attempted to clear his name. We should have no tolerence for scammers and thieves.

09/04/2005
Reganyouth84 did send me a pm stating circumstances of the delay. My position is one should not make deals you cannot keep in a timely manner. Being prompt and keeping communication lines open is vital if one chooses to engage in this kind of hobby. If he would have just kept in communication I would have told him just ot keep the cigars as a gift. I do understand hardship. I would have done no more trades with him though.

Hopefully this will be a lesson learned for him and other newbies.

I'll post when reganyouth84 makes good....I'll post if he dosen't.

Reganyouth84...The ball is in your court.

09/06/2005
Got another pm from him. He said he got paid today and will send cigars very soon.

I believe CigarSarge has spoken on this...