They Call Me Manix

**hex1848** · 09-27-2005, 11:55 AM

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to the board: . . . gosh, i was just reading my "apology" and the comments it received . . . i was annoyed at first that it was thought to be insincere but i realized that i STILL have more growing up to do and a LOT more THINKING before I post.

i sincerely wish i could convey my thoughts with some emotion instead of through email but you guys need to know this regardless. i would like to give this another go. . . . to the members of cigarsmokers, i am 100% sorry for the comments I made. i am 100% wrong. not only to say those things on the board, but in general, socially. what i said, and how i feel, how racist and hatefull i am is wrong . . . unnaceptable. i want you to know, each and everyone of you, that i regret messing things up for myself on here. i am 100 times sorry for my racist comments, my hateful comments, my talking out of my ass immature comments. i am BEGGING, not because it was recommended i do so, but because i honestly want you to, whether i get allowed back or not to FORGIVE ME . . . PLEASE. i now know that even if i apologize and leave, that i cant leave you guys hating me for what i said because it means i have no remorse to ask for your forgiveness. and it means i havent changed.

i want you to know, that i am constantly reflecting on my racism. i am talking about it with other people and am realizing i need to be more accepting. i DONT WANT to be racist. i am sorry for bringing it out here. please forgive me for doing so. i AM sorry.

i might not be so thorough in the next part of this but please know i am not trying to make excuses I'm just trying to remember anyone i might have offended.

ok here goes:

CoventryCat . . . I wanted to apologize to you personally. and ask for YOUR forgiveness. I talked bad about you in PM to Neuro. I imagine you know what i said but if its allright with you, I'd like to make it public. I basically talked about how i personally thought CC a jerk although i know i used much worse words than that. i honestly cant remember right now but my point is that i should never have a. said those things about another member.b if i was having a problem with them i should have gone to THEM and ONLY THEM. and c. i shouldnt have talked about ANYONE behind their backs.

so, CC, please find it in your heart to forgive me. i truly am sorry. i filled my head with imaginary and unnecessary hatred towards you simply because you tried to set me straight as a newb once or twice and instead of respecting that and thanking you i took it against you and im very sorry. i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

BASIL: Basil . . . you have every right to be upset with me. i want to apologize to you personally as well. On the PIF thread, I WAS an ass and i see that now. i want you to know though, . . . no, there is no excuse, and i wont make one. thats the problem i have . . even in my apology i was making excuses and attacking people . . . basil, I'm sorry i was such an ass only to gain free cigars. it wasnt about the cigars, it was about "winning" and i should have seen past that and damaged a possible friendship in the process. at the very least, an acquaintance. i hope you as well can find it in your heart to forgive me.

Kayakinboy:I want to apologize to you as well. i am sorry if i offended you by making comments about your faith or beliefs and your opinion on abortion or gays etc. i am sorry if i attacked you in any way and made you feel uncomfortable here. i am sorry for going overboard and picking a fight with you. i hope you can forgive me as well

Hex: I am sorry that i brought this into your board. I am sorry i didnt think before i posted. and last but not least, i am 100 times sorry i caused you so much grief while on your vacation or business trip. i truly am. i hope -you- can forgive me as well.

in conclusion, to the board . . . i want to apologize for my racist comments, i truly hope you can forgive me. i also want to apologize for my shitty apology. i re read it and thanks to Basil and CC i could see just how shitty it was.
all i did was mask my attacks and excuses with a sorry apology. please know this. I know i was wrong. I am 1000000 times sorry for what i said, and the fact that i said it. not just for saying it here but for WHAT i said. . . for being a racist, for offending ANY of you and for making an otherwise normal thread a. go into the politics forum and b. be ruined by a dumbass(me)

please . . . forgive me for the stupid things i have done, forgive me for my racist comments . . . for being innapropriate, for being an asshole and for ruining a good thread. i am sorry for my actions in general, the racist thread, the PIF thread and any derogatory or misguided noob dumbass comments i have made. please, please PLEEEEEEEASE forgive me guys. . i throw myself at your mercy and hope you can forgive me. please know that i AM trying to change my racist thoughts. i am trying to be more accepting of other people and cultures and races. again, i apologize to any black members, gay members and feminists. i was wrong, and your skin should not be a factor in what i think of you as a person. nor should whether you are gay or not . . . God i cant believe some of the things i said now that i think about it. . . i am so sorry guys. . . . and feminists . . . i am sorry if i offended any feminist members(do we have any?) your opinions are valid ones because they are YOURS. all of you guys . . . all your opinions mean something and i trashed them all . . . i had/have no right. please, find it in your hearts as a board, to forgive me if you will. i am sorry.

hex, thanks for giving me even another chance to correct myself. guys, please dont think he is accepting of any views i may have had or have now . . . he is just a fair and balanced moderator/admin. and he does his job very well. thanks hex. and thanks you guys for opening my eyes to myself. i am sooo sorry

hex, please pass this on to guys in a separate thread? so the whole site can see it. i would REALLY appreciate it.

**Neuromancer** · 09-27-2005, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by They Call Me Manix

CoventryCat . . . I wanted to apologize to you personally. and ask for YOUR forgiveness. I talked bad about you in PM to Neuro. I imagine you know what i said but if its allright with you, I'd like to make it public. I basically talked about how i personally thought CC a jerk although i know i used much worse words than that. i honestly cant remember right now but my point is that i should never have a. said those things about another member.b if i was having a problem with them i should have gone to THEM and ONLY THEM. and c. i shouldnt have talked about ANYONE behind their backs.

Before anyone gets wound up and starts targeting me again I never got involved with him regarding anyone and he sent me something UNSOLICITED that I deleted from my inbox immediately and never got into any discussions with him about any of this whatsoever...

PS To Manix if you're reading this - Don't try to drag me into this you racist jerk...I happen to be a member of a minority and any type of racism makes my blood boil...I've stayed out of this one up til now, but when you start mentioning me for no reason then I'm gonna speak up...

Originally Posted by They Call Me Manix

i am so sorry guys. . . . and feminists . . . i am sorry if i offended any feminist members(do we have any?)

Yeah, Amanda, but it's unlikely she's gonna be here very long either...

**Kayakinboy** · 09-27-2005, 12:46 PM

"Kayakinboy:I want to apologize to you as well. i am sorry if i offended you by making comments about your faith or beliefs and your opinion on abortion or gays etc. i am sorry if i attacked you in any way and made you feel uncomfortable here. i am sorry for going overboard and picking a fight with you. i hope you can forgive me as well"

First off, good luck on offending me. I've got pretty thick skin, ya gotta have it around here or along any internet BB.

I never attacked you, but asked you to explain your feelings and how you came about having them. It was Cigarsarge that was offended right off the bat, and also the first one to leave since you said those comments, yet I see no "I'm sorry" in there for him....

Everything in the politics forum should pretty much be a heated debate. That's politics. That's what the world is about. It's racism along with other negative attitudes, that keep the world from coming together. TCMM, if anything is truely gotten out of this, it's that your feelings of hate might someday be gone. It's been a week. I don't think it's out of ya yet. I could say get help, but that seems just kinda silly. Why not look on the internet about what has happened to African Americans or other minoritys threw the past, and see if your thoughts change.

bigpoppapuff · 09-27-2005, 02:02 PM

with approval of the masses..i say let him in (especially with sarge's approval)...and give him the piece of rope....

....if he hangs himself again...then goodbye.....

as for amanda.....why won't she friggin' leave??.....

**Kayakinboy** · 09-27-2005, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff

with approval of the masses..i say let him in (especially with sarge's approval)...and give him the piece of rope....

....if he hangs himself again...then goodbye.....

as for amanda.....why won't she friggin' leave??.....

Like I said, a week isn't enough time, and also...

CP INFO ON TCMM

If you think you aren't welcomed here... you'll get burned to a crisp on CP. Take some time away from the boards TCMM. Maybe after a month - year - decade, people might let you back in.

**Baron Porthos** · 09-27-2005, 04:12 PM

PermaBan plenty of other places on the internet for personal growth.

**ggiese** · 09-27-2005, 08:29 PM

There are quite a few that were offended with Manix's narrow minded and racist comments - CigarSarge - Hugh Jorgan - I'm sure GrandCru - Neuro doesn't seem very happy either. I believe people with the thoughts and beliefs that Manix displayed are very worrisome. Tolerance of other cultures is VERY necessary.

I'm very sure Manix is sorry for his making the post - but I'm not convinced he fully understands the repercussions of his comments... And until that time....

**Bkcloud114** · 09-27-2005, 10:13 PM

I say that although it is a LONG apology and he is 10000000 times sorry for his comments.... he does not realize what repercussion could occur from those types of comments. Although those comments were made on a BB..... which alot of people feel is anonymous..... this BB is not anonymous. Alot of people trade cigars and are included in box passes were trust is a big issue....... How would TCMM feel if he needed to send a box pass to a person of a different race/sexual orientation or religion than himself. Would you do it...... I say "A leopard can't change his spots".... there is no room on this BB for a racist bigot.

TCMM...... you don't know what race I am...... or what sexual preference I prefer (no comments please).... would you do a trade with me...... It is a possibility I might not be the "same" as you.

Did you apologize ?........ YES

Do you completely understand what you did ?.................. I don't think so

bigpoppapuff · 09-27-2005, 10:17 PM

in the interest of "too much fun"......think of the possibilities of letting him back and see if he hangs himself....if he thought he got it bad now...it'd be so much fun to grind him fine....

..i'm going with the cruelty factor here.....lol....

**Neuromancer** · 09-28-2005, 12:51 AM

Let him back, crap...I really tried to stay out of this and neutral as I felt it was better handled by the more experienced members here, but to be honest, as a member of a minority, the longer this goes on the madder I get...and now this racist jerk has shown up on another popular board (which will remain nameless here) and you can believe I will be watching his posts...as far as I'm concerned that long winded, illiterate, rambling racist rant was as bad as what Amanda did and I think his ban should be permanent even if there were no rules in place governing it...if a poll were thrown up for it you can be sure I would be happy to vote first and let it be known that I voted for a permanent ban...racism of any sort does not belong on an public board anytime, under any circumstances, unless you are a member of a white supremacist or nazi board, which by the way, would be a good place for TCMM to go as he'd be able to vent and hate as much as he wants to...I have never called anyone by this at any time on any board but I am so mad at that racist POS TCMM that I finally feel it's appropriate...yep, GGiese, you got it right when you said, "Neuro doesn't seem very happy either."

**thepyrofish** · 09-28-2005, 01:00 AM

He could very well be genuinely sorry. He may even have completely revamped his views because of this episode. Tough. I am sure many murderers honestly feel bad later, maybe even would be perfectly decent people who would never ever consider hurting another person ever again if let out of jail. They don't get out though. The incarceration is not simply to protect people, it is a punishment. I look at a banning the sme way. It is not just to keep his racist views of the board, it is a punishment for spouting something so innapropriate on the boards. Regardless if he is sorry he must deal with the consequences of that. As much as part of me wants to give him another chance, I would also have to vote permanent ban. Or at least a looong time.

**Kayakinboy** · 09-29-2005, 12:22 PM

I just re-read the entire "I hate stupid people" thread, and while he even admits to breaking the rules by not posting those comments in the politics thread (ignoring the racist comments) he just become a complete bitch about the whole thing.

Saying that I'm democrat means I can't be a christian...

If he does come back, I'm out....

TSC (silentchamber) will be the next that should be banned. even if you agree with it, he should had known better then and keep him talking. should had told him to stop.