TWCigars

[Neuromancer]

You're looking at this from the WRONG perspective Neuro and you should really stay out of this. All WE know TWCigars as is someone who posts advertisements on this forum, and they refuse to respond to anything we post when we've called them out. Doesn't look very good coming from our standpoint....Grow up man and stop putting your nose where it doesn't belong. I can't believe I'm giving advice to someone who is old enough to be my grandpa...

Oh and if you won't listen to me, listen to your buddies on CP that all seem to love you after spewing your mouth off about KB regarding TWCigars...

Oh, now I understand...as long as the perspective matches your perspective it's the only correct perspective...how could I have been so mistaken about that? Last I looked, America was a democracy that allowed freedom of speech to all...I have no beef with you Godfather, nor do I want one...I also have no beef with KB and he knows it...he posted something about TW and I disagreed, having had personal contact with them...I could say the same about the sticking your nose in thing, but if the shoe fits, wear it...and, as far as any other things that went on here or at other boards regarding me and other issues, they're hardly relevant to the issue which was originally a pro and con about TW, as I heeded CC's advice about my side comments...and it makes me wonder why you are trying to turn this into a personal attack on me, by filling up your posts with links to other issues and other problems that have nothing to do with this other than to try and incite flames...you want me to come around to your way of thinking, then convince me by rational argument, and not personal attacks...personal attacks don't gain you any converts...but then again, perhaps it's you who needs to grow up and try and talk to someone like an adult, and not throw mud and stones for no reason other than to jump in with the schoolyard pack, who you see bullying someone and you figure it will make your life feel better to add to it, because someone else is being harassed other than you, and it makes you feel so good that you're not the target today...don't try and turn this into something other than what it was originally...KB has communicated with me in the past, and I with him, and as far as I know, we are good...as I said, I have no beef with him..I just disagreed with his opinion and stated mine...and you can agree with either position or not, or formulate one of your own...everyone will judge TW by how they see the issue and what they themselves learn about it...to be honest I doubt that anything you or I say about it is gonna matter a hill of beans to anyone who has already made up their mind one way or another, so why don't you just let it go too...I'm not TonyDogs, and I'm not gonna mix it up with everyone about this...everyone is entitled to their opinion...there's far more deserving subjects for your ire...

[prophetic_joe]

As far as the Opus goes I have searched quite a lot and haven't found an online site that offers it in any size for less than $25 so attacking one particular dealer for selling it at that price just isn't cool however if they were jackasses to you when you let members know they were overcharging then I understand.

I was recently in Hawaii and thought hey I'll check out some cigar shops and see what they got and I find they are selling the Opus for $25 bucks and up as well, knowing from previous posts that the msrp is between 7 and 15 depending on the size I knew not to buy it. The thing is though that I don't live in an area where I can readily go out to a shop and find it for msrp so my supplier choice is extremely limited.

I asked members once who were talking about the overpricing that if they could get it so cheap maybe they should hook us up with a connection the response was that an opus connection is held a very tight secret and only one guy offered up some info.
http://cigarsmokers.com/showthread.php?t=2302&page=2

I guess what I'm saying is everyone has got to look at it as supply and demand. I have where i live a limited supply so I have to decide whether I demand the opus enough to pay $25 dollars and up. So good show posting the msrp of the cigars, good show offering your own smokes so people don't pay too much . Just my thoughts no attacks on anyone here cause we all have our points of view. I just think we need to remeber that before we start getting mad at eachother for differing opinions.

Godfather you need to sit back relax and have yourself a good smoke brother. You're a damn cool guy but there's no need to let KB fight his own battles if he has no beef with neuro niether should you. We throw around the term BOTL a lot around here and brothers back eachother but a true brother also allows his bro to fight. If KB is arguing and is in the right but still losing then by all means step in and save his ass but if I was fighting and winning and someone stepped in I personally would be insulted. Props for standing up for a friend but let the man deal with his own stuff, from the things I've seen he is more than able. As some 80's band once said "Relax"

[cigarsarge]

No regular line Opus is worth what they are asking. I will not pay more than MSRP plus tax for them. I suspect they are being gouged and the are passing it down the line. I wonder what their mark up is.

The rest of their cigars seem to be priced fairly. Most folks on cigar boards are educated enough to make their own decisions on cigar purchases. If you want to buy at these prices go ahead. No skin off my nose.

[godfather]

Neuro, we're going around in circles and I'm going to explain this one more time.

Bottom line:

- The only thing I knew about this vendor was by the posts they made on this board.
- They were called out about this issue on 10/06/05 on cigarsmokers and never responded publically.
- They were also called out on another issue with the Perdomo deal and never responded.

- Now by the posts they were making and failing to communicate with us, that sets a BAD impression of them in my mind. You may know them in a DIFFERENT light, but that's not the way some of the rest of us saw them INITIALLY. This is why I think you had no grounds for jumping into this matter in the first place.


Let's see who else agrees:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=239651
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=239689


- What I didn't LIKE about this vendor is their lack of communication. If you create a public post and people have something to say about it, at least have the deccency to reply...they failed to do so.

- When they did post, it was very unprofessional and there's no reason to tell KB he needed 'professional help.'

This isn't about the PRICES of the Opus X cigars. I will say it again, this is NOT about the prices of the Opus X cigars.

It was mainly about their lack of communication and how I witnessed the way they handled the situation in the public eye .

If they just would have said this all along after KB called them out the first time on gouging:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=239858

Not even really sure about their response, because the mail headers aren't right :

----- Original Message -----
From: J Crowder
To: info@tobaccoworldcigars.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: TobaccoWorldCigars.com - Opus X & Padron 40th Anniversary

From the way they state it, KB is sending them the e-mail???


That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have understood where TWCigars was coming from. If it was shown this way v.s. the

"Don't listen to KB (posted before their explanation)": http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=238768

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If you still don't get why I'm upset, then let it die. There's a much bigger picture here and you're failing to see it.

[godfather]

there's no need to let KB fight his own battles if he has no beef with neuro niether should you.

Neuro is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. See my above post.

He fails to realize that we saw this vendor in a different light than he did from the get go. The only way I know this vendor is by the posts she's made on cigarsmokers (and I was actively following them before this whole incident occured), and frankly I'm not impressed with them to say the least. I was one of the people who called them out in a post and got no response. Again, see above post.

Let's remember first impressions and how important they are. They definitely failed in that department ...

Do you want my definition of a good vendor? Check out cigar1993's posts.

1) When he posts advertisements and people respond to them, he responds back. It shows he has good communication and truly wants our business.

2) Not only does he post advertisements, but he's contributed to this board.

3) He also has asked for feedback on what other types of items we'd like to see on his website. I chimed in, and two days later he personally e-mailed the items he added based on my feedback.

Overall, TW should take a lesson from this guy. Don't forget, we're the customer and they NEED our business to stay a float. I'm glad they get it, obviously TWCigars doesn't...

[cigarsarge]

As some 80's band once said "Relax" [/QUOTE]


That band would be "Frankie Goes To Hollywood".

[godfather]

That band would be "Frankie Goes To Hollywood".

And there they are ...

[moki]

As far as the Opus goes I have searched quite a lot and haven't found an online site that offers it in any size for less than $25 so attacking one particular dealer for selling it at that price just isn't cool however if they were jackasses to you when you let members know they were overcharging then I understand.

Start reading here:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=240203

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[ggiese]

Start reading here:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=240203

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Anyone got a pool cue???

[prophetic_joe]

Start reading here:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...dpost&p=240203

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Ah being jackasses then. My response stands. jackasses so I understand kick some ass KB.

[Kayakinboy]

Ah being jackasses then. My response stands. jackasses so I understand kick some ass KB.

Kick Ass and smokin' DCMs... and I'm all out of DCMs...