Is Online Age Verification a Good Thing for the Industry?

**Shel** · 12-27-2005, 03:19 PM

You’re right Sir. I have inquired about advertising as well as opening up discussions about the topic of Age Verification on the Internet and thank you for you input.

**CoventryCat86** · 12-27-2005, 03:24 PM

I STILL say it's a SHITTY system, very prone to errors. Who will FIX the errors once they are proven to be there?

I'll bet it will be harder than trying to fix a credit report and 99 times out of 100 THEY are wrong and inaccurate.

How does it supposedly "verify" ages? What a fucking joke!

**CoventryCat86** · 12-27-2005, 03:33 PM

Okay, so you scare some idiot like TBSCigars into thinking they aboslutely NEED your product or they can get in trouble with some governmental agency.

I would like to know if the governmental agencies who are coming down on say, tobacco or liquor retailers give two shits if they used this BS systen you're selling.

As I have pointed out, I cannot see how in the hell this "product" you're selling can confirm with any degree of confidence that the purchaser is indeed of age.

If I were some law enforcement officer or ATF agent who was busting some enterprise for selling to underaged person and the enterprise said "Well, I used 'VerifyME' to verify the buyer's age." I laugh right in his face as I hauled his ass to jail!!

**SuperChuck** · 12-27-2005, 03:37 PM

As far as tobacco sales go, what would be the advantage of a system like this over a credit card? Credit cards are deemed legal proof of age 18+, which I believe is the tobacco age throughout the US..

**nhcigarfan** · 12-27-2005, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by SuperChuck

As far as tobacco sales go, what would be the advantage of a system like this over a credit card? Credit cards are deemed legal proof of age 18+, which I believe is the tobacco age throughout the US..

Superchuck is correct but I have a question.

I have never looked into this but what about the debit MC/visa? I think you can get those under 18 because there is no contractual debtor/creditor relationship. When those are processed as credit transactions do they verify the age of the account holder? I would doubt it but I don't know exactly.

**cigar no baka** · 12-27-2005, 03:52 PM

I think it's a pointless excercise. It's not going to work; it will not convince the nanny-stater fascists of anything. The next step in controlling our lives will likely be the banning of all tobacco sales online. Either state by state or at the federal level.

**nhcigarfan** · 12-27-2005, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by cigar no baka

I think it's a pointless excercise. It's not going to work; it will not convince the nanny-stater fascists of anything. The next step in controlling our lives will likely be the banning of all tobacco sales online. Either state by state or at the federal level.

what no c-bid. NOOOOOoooooooooo

**SuperChuck** · 12-27-2005, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by nhcigarfan

Superchuck is correct but I have a question.

I have never looked into this but what about the debit MC/visa? I think you can get those under 18 because there is no contractual debtor/creditor relationship. When those are processed as credit transactions do they verify the age of the account holder? I would doubt it but I don't know exactly.

I don't know if you can get them under the age of 18. It would seem that signing a credit card slip would be a binding contract, regardless.

But I also think I had a checking account at 17 and a check is a binding contract...

**Shel** · 12-27-2005, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by SuperChuck

I don't know if you can get them under the age of 18. It would seem that signing a credit card slip would be a binding contract, regardless.

But I also think I had a checking account at 17 and a check is a binding contract...

According to my CC processor and two other vendors that where trying to get a merchant account they were told they can’t get online CC processing with out an AV system in place and if that’s so what will the next move be by the CC companies?

CC companies have the lobbyists and lots of power.

**croatan** · 12-27-2005, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by SuperChuck

I don't know if you can get them under the age of 18. It would seem that signing a credit card slip would be a binding contract, regardless.

But I also think I had a checking account at 17 and a check is a binding contract...

Typically, minors can contract; however, most of those contracts (unless they're for necessities) are voidable by the minor. That's why most places won't issue credit cards to them. Until Shel gives us some specifics on how exactly this thing works, I don't see how it can work any better than assuming that credit/debit card = 18 years old.

**Shel** · 12-27-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by croatan

Typically, minors can contract; however, most of those contracts (unless they're for necessities) are voidable by the minor. That's why most places won't issue credit cards to them. Until Shel gives us some specifics on how exactly this thing works, I don't see how it can work any better than assuming that credit/debit card = 18 years old.

Well I'm no expert but as I mentioned it is imbedded in a Shopping Cart and works automatically. And provides a confirmation number for each transaction and has a 1 million dollar liability bond per transaction, I guess by retaining the confirmation number you’re protected.

**Shel** · 12-27-2005, 04:02 PM

I'd like to know what system you're using; the system I know is imbedded in a Shopping Cart and works automatically. And provides a confirmation number for each transaction and has a 1 million dollar liability bond. Are you using anything like that?

Shel

**SuperChuck** · 12-27-2005, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shel

I'd like to know what system you're using; the system I know is imbedded in a Shopping Cart and works automatically. And provides a confirmation number for each transaction and has a 1 million dollar liability bond. Are you using anything like that?

Shel

Elves or gerbils?

**CoventryCat86** · 12-27-2005, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Shel

I'd like to know what system you're using; the system I know is imbedded in a Shopping Cart and works automatically. And provides a confirmation number for each transaction and has a 1 million dollar liability bond. Are you using anything like that?

Shel

And I'll ask you AGAIN:

I would like to know if the governmental agencies who are coming down on say, tobacco or liquor retailers give two shits if they used this BS systen you're selling.

Please give an answer, not a sales pitch.

**nhcigarfan** · 12-27-2005, 04:19 PM

Also, you should realize that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, there is only one of us with this type of concern. But I will withhold his name for obvious reasons.

**Shel** · 12-27-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by nhcigarfan

Also, you should realize that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, there is only one of us with this type of concern. But I will withhold his name for obvious reasons.

Thanks for not mentioning my name

, hey I'm learning from you guys.