Quote Originally Posted by illilli
Let me be the first to welcome you to the Forum!

These two subjects have been covered time and time again here on this forum. Others can give you specific links, but I suggest you use the "Search" feature and then do a lot of reading. When you are done, you won't have any further questions with regards to these two topics.

Thanks for the welcome and I will put the search engine to good use then! Although I fear they are as Bigmac said, they are done for.