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[Moheganson]

For not hanging aroung LTC very much you sure seem to know ALOT about that board.

I don't like Mo, if you are indeed not him then the comment towards you was mistaken.

Awwww, c'mon Carlos, I don't dislike you, I just don't like the way you bullied me and others over at LTC. You must learn to respect the fact that people have different opinions from you and that you don't know everything (kind of like your insistance that Moheganson and CoventryCat86 are the same person, at least you eventually admitted you were wrong but in your typical fashion, you shoot first then ask questions later, not good my man, not good.....).

I can honestly say that you probably had no idea that your source was selling fakes so I really don't believe you INTENTIONALLY tried to take people for a ride. I have a fair amount of experience with cigars but I'm probably not experienced enough to know real ones from fake ones. There are plenty of other people on the cigar boards who are highly respected whose opinions I trust and when they say a cigar is a fake I believe them.

Once you have a more experience with real Cuban cigars, you'll probably be able to tell the difference too but when someone questions the authenticity of your cigars, don't get all defensive. You probably should have said "My mistake, I thought my source was a good one but obviously they are selling fakes, I will do what I can to recitfy this situation."

That would have made you look a heck of a lot better than how things wound up.

[Roham]

In my eyes, the only people who look bad are you, ggiese, CoventryCat and Dave Razz for following him here and continuing to post useless slander when it is clearly annoying the community! Like Hex said, this has nothing to do with us and the community here at Cigarsmokers.com....

[Moheganson]

In my eyes, the only people who look bad are you, ggiese, CoventryCat and Dave Razz for following him here and continuing to post useless slander when it is clearly annoying the community! Like Hex said, this has nothing to do with us and the community here at Cigarsmokers.com....

Screw you with your "useless slander" comments, you sir are out of line. His behavior on other boards has everything to do with this "community" and your membership should be made aware of how he conducts himself on other boards with regard to trading and how he treats people.

You are the one who looks bad for telling people they "look bad" you need to smarten up.

[ggiese]

In my eyes, the only people who look bad are you, ggiese, CoventryCat and Dave Razz for following him here and continuing to post useless slander when it is clearly annoying the community! Like Hex said, this has nothing to do with us and the community here at Cigarsmokers.com....

I'm sorry I offended you... But, let me ask you a question. When does what's posted here not become "useless slander"? Would that be when you are burned on a trade? Would it then be right to post about being burned without it being "useless slander"? I think Dave Razz has the right to ask the questions he does. And I believe he is owed answers about his trade. Sorry if it's on this board, but where else should it be? Should it be in private e-mails and PM's? That's already been done and there has been no resolution. And it appears Carlos continues to trade in questionable cigars...

Okay - so it's not pretty. I understand that. No one likes to see conflict and confrontation. Certainly you are fueling the conflict and confrontation with your "useless slander" post. I guess you and I are in the same boat - you defend Oblik, I am not happy with Oblik because of some of his tactics. But, don't we both have nothing to do with his trades? And I can live without being a member of the Island of Misfit Toys (AKA LTC). So what does it matter?

What does matter to me is the very essence of Mogheson's post - Oblik bought some cigars not knowing they were fake, he's been made aware of it, he should be questioning whether they are fake. It appears he's not satisfied with the responses he's getting from others - apparently he trusts his source. That's okay, if Oblik smokes those cigars. But I'm grateful others are pointing out to me his cigars may be questionable, especially if I'm preparing to do a high dollar trade with him. And you should too - unless you really don't know or care what you smoke...

And Hex, I sincerely want to apologize to you for my participation as a newbie disrupting your board. I truly mean that. But, I also want you to know that admire and respect you for your restraint. I know this has been difficult for you - deciding whether to allow this discussion or lock the threads, ban "unruly" new members, delete posts, etc. It takes much more of a person to allow the discussions and let them run the course. Everything I have seen has been VERY civil to this point - even with some of the "baiting" type posts that have come out.

In the true spirit of a "free" forum discussion (as this board is), there will be conflict from time to time. I've seen quite a bit of it in the short time I've been on the boards (most other boards call this "drama"). The beautiful thing of the "drama" is that it dies down in a few days or a week, and everyone goes on to happy discussions. There are been several new members sign up as a result of these discussions, which is not such a bad thing, and I for one, intend to remain as an active positive contributor. Those who dislike me just don't know me yet . I'm truly not a bad person - nor is Dave, CoventryCat or Mo....

[Oblik]

At first I was very up set at Dave's accusations. That night I thought about things and decided that rather than fighting I would return his Diplomatico (I had smoked the Monte) and send him one more stick of equal value, THIS WAS AT HIS REQUEST. In addition I was going to send him a handful of cigars as an apology for any misunderstanding. THE ONLY REASON I wanted back my Cohibas is because I ENJOY THEM MYSELF, not to "trade them away and screw other people". Dave makes it sound like I do this on a regular basis. I have traded away 5 sticks and two of them weren't even a trade, they were a GIFT TO DAVE FOR CHRISMAS. 2 were then traded to Dave and one was taken in a box pass that I started.

Dave is making it sound like I refused to make things better. The fact is that I was planning square things up. Upon my asking if he would send me back my Cohibas he threw a fit. His next email was screaming at me and calling me all sorts of names. I was one "OK" away from sending Dave his just due.


As far as the banning at LTC goes, Zac was fed up with a lot of things. One night he simply picked up the mouse and began banning anyone who he thought was there to only light fires. There was only 2 people that the mods came to a consensus to ban before then. Neither of these people were Alex or you gg.

[Moheganson]

At first I was very up set at Dave's accusations. That night I thought about things and decided that rather than fighting I would return his Diplomatico (I had smoked the Monte) and send him one more stick fo equal value,THIS WAS AT HIS REQUEST. In addition I was going to send him a handfull of cigars as an appology for any misunderstanding. THE ONLY REASON I wanted back my Cohibas is because I ENJOY THEM MYSELF, not to "trade them away and screw other people". Dave makes it sound like I do this on a regular basis. I have traded away sticks and two of them wen't even a trade, they were a GIFT TO DAVE FOR CHRISMAS. 2 were then traded to dave and one was taken in a box pass that I started.

Dave is making it sound like I refused to make things better. The fact is that I was planning square things up. Upon my asking if he would send me back my Cohibas he threw a fit. His next email was screaming at me and calling me all sorts of names. I was one "OK" away from sending dave his just due.


As far as the banning at LTC goes, Zac was fed up with a lot of things. One night he simply picked up the mouse and began banning anyone who he thought was there to only light fires. There was only 2 people that the mods came to a consensus to ban befor then. Neiter of thes people were alex or you gg.

Funny how your version of the story is in direct conflict with the facts. The entire email exchange between you and Dave is posted at CigarFamily. Click on the following to read all about it:

Cigar Family thread

Oblik, when are you going to learn to tell the WHOLE truth?

Oh and thanks for providing evidence that Zac is obviously not cut out to run an on-line BB. No wonder it failed in the short span of two months thanks in part to your ignorance and shortcomings (such as your inability to deal with minor conflicts without flying off the handle and losing your temper and resorting to namecalling).

[Dave Razz]

At first I was very up set at Dave's accusations. That night I thought about things and decided that rather than fighting I would return his Diplomatico (I had smoked the Monte) and send him one more stick of equal value, THIS WAS AT HIS REQUEST. In addition I was going to send him a handful of cigars as an apology for any misunderstanding. THE ONLY REASON I wanted back my Cohibas is because I ENJOY THEM MYSELF, not to "trade them away and screw other people". Dave makes it sound like I do this on a regular basis. I have traded away 5 sticks and two of them weren't even a trade, they were a GIFT TO DAVE FOR CHRISMAS. 2 were then traded to Dave and one was taken in a box pass that I started.

Dave is making it sound like I refused to make things better. The fact is that I was planning square things up. Upon my asking if he would send me back my Cohibas he threw a fit. His next email was screaming at me and calling me all sorts of names. I was one "OK" away from sending Dave his just due.


As far as the banning at LTC goes, Zac was fed up with a lot of things. One night he simply picked up the mouse and began banning anyone who he thought was there to only light fires. There was only 2 people that the mods came to a consensus to ban before then. Neither of these people were Alex or you gg.

FACT IS CARLOS....YOU TRADED FAKE CUBANS!!!!!!!!PERIOD!! At least your are admitting this now..musch more than you did with me privately!!!!1

[Oblik]

No Dave, everything that I have said here was said to you in the emails. If you would get the anger out of your eyes and read them for what they are you would see that.

Why do you continue to yell at me? You are very degrading, not that I care.

[ggiese]

No Dave, everything that I have said here was said to you in the emails. If you would get the anger out of your eyes and read them for what they are you would see that.

Why do you continue to yell at me? You are very degrading, not that I care.

So you don't intend to make it right, Carlos??? The "...not that I care..." you wrote is troubling...

[Dave Razz]

No Dave, everything that I have said here was said to you in the emails. If you would get the anger out of your eyes and read them for what they are you would see that.

Why do you continue to yell at me? You are very degrading, not that I care.

This is water under the bridge...I am not angry with you Carlos. I was the idiot that put these cigars in a pass, live and learn as they say, but that hurt me more than anything. Being burned by you doesn't hurt near as much as me burning my friends down the line in the box pass I am currently hosting.

I tried in vain via email, as has been published, to help yourself make things right. The result is what it is...you on the Bad Traders and Scumbag List.

I feel better knowing you have been exposed and the cigar community...all forums...are now "in the loop"

Dave...let's move on huh?

[traffic nazi]

Just to add my two cents in. I have recently been given several boxes of so-called CUBAN cigars. Siglos 3, 4's and esplendidos, Montecristo's and Rand J. These were in New boxes and with all the seals and Holograms. I took them to my local friend at a Holy Smokes shop.
The ones I had were all fake. The boxes were real and they had the cigars had the latest updated bands. The lengths were off and the colour consistency was bad.

These were all purchased in Cuba by a GUY that everyone went to when they went to cuba.

Most cannot tell a real cuban cigar from a fake one.

I do not like the phrase "Fake Cuban" because if the cigar is from Cuba, then its a real cuban cigar with cuban tobacco. I have never found cuban clones from cuba made with out of country tobacco. They may be fake cohibas but its still cuban tobacco if its from cuba.

[labmonkey]

I just wanted to say that ggiese mentions "defending Oblik"...i really don't think that is the case....but what is the plan here guys....how long do the rest of us have to sit around and read all this crap before this stuff settles?

you say your bringing in new members....great, but the only thing being discussed is counterfeit cohibas...woohoo....that's why i like to come here.

I guess you can just keep on bringing new members in to form the "we hate carlos" discussion board and force the rest of us (original members) who were truly enjoying this board before this arrived here to leave....i don't know.

I am not downplaying the incident... I understand it ruffled some feathers...UNDERSTANDABLY....but how long till the point has been made?

I am also not saying I wish any of you new members to leave. hang around and have a good time, i'm glad to see some new guys with some experience here.

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t494-off...an-cigars.html

All of this pertains to trading of Cohibas....read the above link if you have not yet done so. I believe it petains to this issue as well

[Roham]

[QUOTE=ggiese]I'm sorry I offended you... But, let me ask you a question. When does what's posted here not become "useless slander"? Would that be when you are burned on a trade? Would it then be right to post about being burned without it being "useless slander"? I think Dave Razz has the right to ask the questions he does. And I believe he is owed answers about his trade. Sorry if it's on this board, but where else should it be? Should it be in private e-mails and PM's? That's already been done and there has been no resolution. And it appears Carlos continues to trade in questionable cigars...



One post warning us of Oblik and the experience you had trading with him would not be useless slander. Bringing 5 or so buddys onto this board to correct his grammar and continue to disrupt his posts is "useless slander"......

[CoventryCat86]

[QUOTE=Roham]

I'm sorry I offended you... But, let me ask you a question. When does what's posted here not become "useless slander"? Would that be when you are burned on a trade? Would it then be right to post about being burned without it being "useless slander"? I think Dave Razz has the right to ask the questions he does. And I believe he is owed answers about his trade. Sorry if it's on this board, but where else should it be? Should it be in private e-mails and PM's? That's already been done and there has been no resolution. And it appears Carlos continues to trade in questionable cigars...



One post warning us of Oblik and the experience you had trading with him would not be useless slander. Bringing 5 or so buddys onto this board to correct his grammar and continue to disrupt his posts is "useless slander"......

Speaking of "useless slander" roham you are more guilty of that than anyone here with your last BS post.

Exactly WHO "brought 5 or so buddys(sic)" (BTW "sic" means that I'm quoting you knowing you made a spelling error, it's "buddies") onto this board? Me, ggiese, alex WHO exactly are you talking about? Nobody "brought" anyone here. You shoot from the hip just like Oblik jumping to conclusions with no basis in fact.

That is slander pure and simple.

You sir are 100% guilty of posting "useless slander" and you should apologize to the enitre community.

[labmonkey]

[QUOTE=CoventryCat86]

Speaking of "useless slander" roham you are more guilty of that than anyone here with your last BS post.

Exactly WHO "brought 5 or so buddys(sic)" (BTW "sic" means that I'm quoting you knowing you made a spelling error, it's "buddies") onto this board? Me, ggiese, alex WHO exactly are you talking about? Nobody "brought" anyone here. You shoot from the hip just like Oblik jumping to conclusions with no basis in fact.

That is slander pure and simple.

You sir are 100% guilty of posting "useless slander" and you should apologize to the enitre community.

thanks for the biggest laugh i have had since all this started ...Roham should apologize to the community?!?!?...........that is funny


so essentially it is just a total coincidence that all of you guys who DON"T KNOW EACH OTHER just HAPPENED to decide to join this community within days of each other (with more coming in all the time....but I'm sure that's nobody you know either) and it JUST SO HAPPENS that all of you know about the situation with Oblik and decide that that is going to totally dominate these boards regardless of what anyone else says under the pretense that you are DOING US A FAVOR by pointing out Obliks bad trading practices, and WE are the bad guys because we are SICK AND F***ING TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

We come here to relax and talk about cigars...at least we used to before you and your merry band got here.

I guess your aim is to destroy the place because Oblik is a Mod? Is that the goal here?

And by the way, I don't really care if I misspelled anything, so you don't have to tell me if I did.

[CoventryCat86]

[QUOTE=labmonkey]

thanks for the biggest laugh i have had since all this started ...Roham should apologize to the community?!?!?...........that is funny


so essentially it is just a total coincidence that all of you guys who DON"T KNOW EACH OTHER just HAPPENED to decide to join this community within days of each other (with more coming in all the time....but I'm sure that's nobody you know either) and it JUST SO HAPPENS that all of you know about the situation with Oblik and decide that that is going to totally dominate these boards regardless of what anyone else says under the pretense that you are DOING US A FAVOR by pointing out Obliks bad trading practices, and WE are the bad guys because we are SICK AND F***ING TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

We come here to relax and talk about cigars...at least we used to before you and your merry band got here.

I guess your aim is to destroy the place because Oblik is a Mod? Is that the goal here?

And by the way, I don't really care if I misspelled anything, so you don't have to tell me if I did.

Here we have another case of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, levies groundless accusations and is pretty much clueless. Who's "totally dominating" what boards here? A few posts questioning Oblik's behavior is only an extremely small percentage of the total posts on this site in the last week. You are exaggerating and it makes you look foolish.

Your "guess" is wrong. I'm still looking for the "five" people. Many of us are members at various boards, unlike you labmonkeyboy who appears to only be a member here. This is not one big grand conspiracy as you have concluded. You should really get out there and explore other cigar boards, it will do you some good.

Gee, isn't that just too bad that you don't like some of my posts, you're just going to have to quit whining about it and stop acting like a baby.

You better get used to it because when people like Oblik behave the way they do and screw people in trades and post nasty posts, there are going to be posts about it in return. If you'd pull your head out of your a$$, you'd understand how beneficial to the entire community this is.

Tell ya what, let's you and I do a trade, I'll trade you five Cuban cigars for five or your Opus X and you send me your Opus X and I'll send you some fake Cuban cigars. Then when you email me or PM me about it, I'll ignore you or lie to you. Since you are such a nice guy an all, you won't make any negative posts about me if I bend you over on the trade. You're just the kind of guy I WANT to trade with since you're so nice an' all. So whadda say, wanna trade some cigars with me? I've got REAL Cuban cigars, I SWEAR TO GOD (cause I know you won't say anything bad about me when I screw you on the deal).

You really need to grow up and smarten up labmoney.....

[ggiese]

[QUOTE=labmonkey]

thanks for the biggest laugh i have had since all this started ...Roham should apologize to the community?!?!?...........that is funny


so essentially it is just a total coincidence that all of you guys who DON"T KNOW EACH OTHER just HAPPENED to decide to join this community within days of each other (with more coming in all the time....but I'm sure that's nobody you know either) and it JUST SO HAPPENS that all of you know about the situation with Oblik and decide that that is going to totally dominate these boards regardless of what anyone else says under the pretense that you are DOING US A FAVOR by pointing out Obliks bad trading practices, and WE are the bad guys because we are SICK AND F***ING TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

We come here to relax and talk about cigars...at least we used to before you and your merry band got here.

I guess your aim is to destroy the place because Oblik is a Mod? Is that the goal here?

And by the way, I don't really care if I misspelled anything, so you don't have to tell me if I did.

"...we are SICK AND F***ING TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT."

and who would that be, labmonkey? It seems to me that most have been pretty tolerant of my views - but you seemed troubled. Others have expressed themselves, I've responded. That irritates you? It doesn't irritate me - I can have a frank discussion with someone without me being offended. Can you? Can WE (you and me) talk about that? I don't understand your trepidation...

"so essentially it is just a total coincidence that all of you guys who DON"T KNOW EACH OTHER just HAPPENED to decide to join this community within days of each other (with more coming in all the time...."

Yes

I guess your aim is to destroy the place because Oblik is a Mod? Is that the goal here?

Nope - I couldn't possibly do that. Not in a million years. Very egotistcal of you to think so. But, this place can destroy itself - without mine or anyone else's help... For example - you want to see this site go down? Keep doing box passes like the first one that was done around here where two nice cigars are missing, and possible fake cigars were put in - or people are taking nice cigars and placing garbage in their place... That'll do it... Especially if members aren't allowed to express themselves because it would not be nice...

But you make a good point, monkey - Oblik being a mod COULD be a problem, if he conducts himself on this board as he did on the LTC board. Go and check that place out - if you can get in to the private club they have established over there - I'm sure Oblik will let you in. But wait a few days, the hard drive went down and you can't read any posts right now... And while you're over there, send PuroBrat some cigars - he needs them...

under the pretense that you are DOING US A FAVOR by pointing out Obliks bad trading practices

Not a pretense, and we ARE doing you a favor.

and WE are the bad guys

I never said that - I think you're drawing conclusions again - I just disagree with you. But that's okay - you can disagree with me, I don't mind...