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    talk about raising the dead, what an old post. Anyway, the hostility is similar to what many food critics hate. When I order a steak, I want to taste the flavor of the meat, not a bunch spices or other things (a crab cake should taste of crab, not a whole bunch of fillings and mayo/tartar/caper sauce). Similarly, if I want to taste a cigar, I want to taste tobacco, unharmed tobacco, pure tobacco. A Drew Estate Acid and other similar cigars aren't about the tobacco, which means, the kind of tobacco they use can be of the crappiest quality because it's going to be flavored. There's no beauty or skill to appreciate then in the blending, the choice of tobacco, sungrown vs. maduro for a wrapper, all that stuff.

    Now, if you don't care about the aesthetics, the artistry that went into a cigar, then this means a whole bunch of bubkis. Or even if you only care some of the times, then it's those times that you understand, a drew estates acid is just not a cigar, it's a larger flavored cigarette.

    My second to last analogy is: compare your favorite meal at your favorite restaurant, go home and reproduce it. I'm sure what you have at home will taste fine. But, it won't be the same, the difference will be more than just the flavor too, because maybe you're a very good cook and you get the flavor very close, but you don't know that last secret ingredient; sure, it's close enough that when you do it at home it tastes good. But you still know, the meal from the restaurant is better, it has the secret ingredient that makes it as special as it is, plus you know that the chef who crafted the recipe put time and all sorts of considerations you probably couldn't think of, which make the meal that much more satisfying everytime you have it.

    Last analogy: hostess cupcakes are amazing to a 6 year old and even for us occasionally, but we all know, there are many better desserts out there to be had, even all natural and chef produced versions of the hostess cupcake.

    Now, I leave you with an example: buy a Drew Estates that tastes like chocolate. Now, smoke a Padron 1926 or '64 or Anniversary Maduro. Guess what, the latter have no chocolate flavoring added, that's just the pure art of blending and growing at work. I have no doubt which one you'll like more too.

    Finally, if you just don't like the flavor of tobacco, then cigars aren't for you (not specifying the previous poster, but a generic "you") anyway. There are many, many 3-5 dollar smokes that I find much better than any flavored cigar. But, if you still prefer the flavored, then don't smoke cigars, you'll have a much better time smoking a pipe!
    Last edited by BigMacFU; 08-23-2007 at 06:37 PM.
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    I was once a Acid fan, don't know what other cigars you have had besides CAO, but trust me there are tons of fine cigars out there that are not flavored.


    BTW-being a car/truck man also, that "Dodge Neon" isn't ones you see typically loaded up with milk and bread at the grocery store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMacFU View Post
    talk about raising the dead, what an old post. Anyway, the hostility is similar to what many food critics hate. When I order a steak, I want to taste the flavor of the meat, not a bunch spices or other things (a crab cake should taste of crab, not a whole bunch of fillings and mayo/tartar/caper sauce). Similarly, if I want to taste a cigar, I want to taste tobacco, unharmed tobacco, pure tobacco. A Drew Estate Acid and other similar cigars aren't about the tobacco, which means, the kind of tobacco they use can be of the crappiest quality because it's going to be flavored. There's no beauty or skill to appreciate then in the blending, the choice of tobacco, sungrown vs. maduro for a wrapper, all that stuff.

    Now, if you don't care about the aesthetics, the artistry that went into a cigar, then this means a whole bunch of bubkis. Or even if you only care some of the times, then it's those times that you understand, a drew estates acid is just not a cigar, it's a larger flavored cigarette.

    My second to last analogy is: compare your favorite meal at your favorite restaurant, go home and reproduce it. I'm sure what you have at home will taste fine. But, it won't be the same, the difference will be more than just the flavor too, because maybe you're a very good cook and you get the flavor very close, but you don't know that last secret ingredient; sure, it's close enough that when you do it at home it tastes good. But you still know, the meal from the restaurant is better, it has the secret ingredient that makes it as special as it is, plus you know that the chef who crafted the recipe put time and all sorts of considerations you probably couldn't think of, which make the meal that much more satisfying everytime you have it.

    Last analogy: hostess cupcakes are amazing to a 6 year old and even for us occasionally, but we all know, there are many better desserts out there to be had, even all natural and chef produced versions of the hostess cupcake.

    Now, I leave you with an example: buy a Drew Estates that tastes like chocolate. Now, smoke a Padron 1926 or '64 or Anniversary Maduro. Guess what, the latter have no chocolate flavoring added, that's just the pure art of blending and growing at work. I have no doubt which one you'll like more too.

    Finally, if you just don't like the flavor of tobacco, then cigars aren't for you (not specifying the previous poster, but a generic "you") anyway. There are many, many 3-5 dollar smokes that I find much better than any flavored cigar. But, if you still prefer the flavored, then don't smoke cigars, you'll have a much better time smoking a pipe!

    Great post. Pretty much what I was trying to say, although put a little more eloquently.

    I can have my opinion that flavored cigars are shit, and state the fact that not many of use here smoke them. Just as you can state your opinion that people who drive "Neons" have bad taste.

    So you know what? You keep on enjoying your Drew Estates "Dirt" and "Nasty", and I'll smoke my Padron '64/'26 and aged Cubans.

    I can only hope your tastes mature, and you can appreciate a fine cigar. I guess some people like McDonalds, and others would prefer a nice juicy sirloin steak.

    Haha...the funny thing is that just before I wrote this I stepped out of a limo after having supper with my family at one of the finer restaurants in Calgary. Not that I do this all the time or am trying to exercise my superiority, but I found it to be rather ironic.
    {*insert snide remark here*}
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