I don't believe it

[SmokinDVM]

I have asked why I should vote democratic. One reason I don't think I can is because they are not unified. The other reason is because I believe they are simply politicizing the situation. We are an impatient people. We watch too many movies and think the world can be saved in 90 minutes, and if it isn't there must be a flaw in the plan. Our enemies are extremely patient and will wait years before they launch devistating and horriffic attacks on us and our way of life. Three years? Five Years? A hundred years? They are patient and relentless, and anyone who can't see that had better get their head out of the sand. This is going to be a long war, and we can't afford to let our enemy outwait us. Terrorism isn't going to go away because we grow impatient and decide to simply drop it. Say what you will about Bush, and say what you will about me for what I am about to say, but we have not been attacked since 2001, and I believe it is because of the job the current administration is doing. Could they do better? Sure. Are they failing? No.

You continue to confuse the “war” in Iraq with the problem of terrorists. In effect you’re parroting the inane neopuke line of “we’re fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here”. The bombings in Spain, England, and the current English arrests, have proven that idiotic mantra completely and utterly false.
Until people realize that fighting terrorists has NOTHING to do with fighting a country, we will continue to be at risk for more attacks.

I used to work in computer and network security and the problem with it was as long as we were doing a great job everybody thought we were a waste of money. Does anyone remember the huge AT&T nationwide phone outage several years ago? As long as we were doing our job no one saw any problems, so they assumed they weren't there. They didn't know, nor did they care, how difficult it was to keep the networks from being attacked and how many attacks were kept out. It's one of those things where the best result is seeing nothing. But because they saw nothing, they decided to cut funding. Within 3 months the networks were hacked and the consequences were devistating. The war on terror is like that. We don't see any threats so we forget that they are there. Well, they are there, and they will continue to be there for a very long time. The democratic plans are not solutions, they are a necessary part of a political chess game being played against the current administration (it's called politics.) It's designed to exasperate the public and gain strength for the next election, not by improving their own stature but by lowering public opinion of their political opponent. And there is firm evidence that they lack conviction in their "plans" in that every time one comes up for a vote they can't even get a party line concensus. I watched John Murtha attack Bush for 3 months and become the point man for the democratic attack on Bush's handling of Iraq. He was so forceful, and all the democrats were behind him. When the Republicans finally forced a vote on this "plan" he had been ranting about, his own party gave him 6 votes. Of course they faulted the Republicans because the plan "wasn't ready." Huh? And when Kerry introduced his plan for redeployment, the democrats couldn't get a full party vote on that either. They couldn't even come to an agreement among themselves. This doesn't give me any warm fuzzy feelings that they have a very good plan.

Do you really think that dumbya and his cronies would be silent about ANY terrorist plots actually prevented? Hell, they had NOTHING to do with the investigation and arrests in England last week, yet he continues to say “we” were responsible. And let’s not forget about the group in Miami, what a fucking joke!
So, what you’re saying here is that no alternative plan/s should be considered, because all of the details haven’t been discussed, and worked out. Have any details been worked out in the present “plan”? Fuck no! Hell, they don’t even have a plan, no less any details to one. BTW, forcing votes, without discussion, is the neopukes way of doing business. No planning or thought is put into anything they do. They rely solely on false patriotism and fear mongering. “If you don’t support the war, you don’t support the troops.” “If you vote for the Democrats, we’ll get hit again.”
But it’s OK if the neopukes do nothing substantive to protect our borders, as long as they keep giving you those warm and fuzzy feelings.

I have spent time composing my posts so that my position can be made clear to you and you would have an opportunity to respond, not because I feel that my opinions are inferior to yours, but because I was truly interested in what you had to say. Instead you have given me the opportunity to read other people's words from left leaning publications and web sites, while at the same time accusing me of parroting FOX news. You can point me to links from the NY Times and Time magazine all day long, and I, in turn, can point you to the Wall Street Journal. That is not discussion. That is akin to parroting MSNBC vs FOX news. So if the answers to the questions in my previous posts are found in the links you gave me, then I have already heard them, considered them and respectfully disagree with them.

In one thread, I’m accused of posting without providing supporting links, and in another, I’m accused of only posting links and not providing my own plan, or some such shit. It’s like arguing with a teenage girl. Make up your damn mind!
How about you show me where the neopukes have presented ANY real plan to combat terrorism? Go ahead and provide links, as I want to be sure this plan is really theirs, and not what you perceive as a plan, because so far, you’ve not provided any real evidence that your conclusions are valid.

Something else I was taught in my years in Corporate America was how to negotiate with foreign cultures. One of the first things I learned was that I couldn't expect other cultures to think the same way I do. In order to put myself in their shoes I had to understand that I had never even seen their shoes, let alone been in them. They had not been "sensitized" to political correctness and they don't think or feel the same as we do. The American people are making a fatal mistake if they think terrorists will "talk" to us. Can you picture us negotiating with Bin Laden? Can you ever imagine a peaceful outcome to those "negotiations?" Could you ever see him and Hillary shaking hands in the rose garden? (Well, maybe you could.) We are dealing with a different culture that does not hold the same values as us. They don't think the same as us and they don't care about us. We treasure life. They use it as a weapon. This is a culture that has not changed since before Christianity and they have been at war for thousands of years. Do you think you can ever understand them? Do you think they will ever understand us? Perhaps the American people, in their high and mighty place in the world community, will give us all a chance to see this come November. I hope it doesn't happen, but it seems we have indeed forgotten and have moved on to other things.

And do you think dumbya and his cronies have any understanding of the Middle East? He refused to even listen to advisors who were EXPERTS on the Middle East. His “crusade”(his word) in the Middle East, will end as all the others have.
I don’t believe I ever said anything about negotiating with terrorists. I have no idea where you came up with that bullshit, but it’s nothing more than a straw man.
I actually believe we need to hunt them down and arrest or kill the fuckers. I don’t think we will be successful though, as long as we waste valuable Men and resources on a personal project like Iraq.

I certainly hope the American people are beginning to wake up and smell the bullshit. Unfortunately, it will take many, many years to repair the damage done by this group of assholes in charge right now.