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    Quote Originally Posted by cockyhoskins
    I agree and disagree. I am a vet of many boards including CA, CW, cigarbid, and now this one. It is true that most boards self moderate because of the member-base that a cigar board tends to get. It tends to be more mature, etc. However, the trash talking here is strictly personal. Maybe hex can create a "smack talk" forum for you guys to go in and bash each other. The problem I have is when it carries into and eventually takes over the substance of the board. At that point, I say delete and continue to delete until the problem goes away.

    one good thing to the come from all this is that we have several new members who appear to be veteran BOTLs. Let's hope they all stick around and contribute.
    That shocks me - you seem quite a bit more intelligent than that...

    I don't know that any of those boards do as you suggest - create a separate "smack talk" thread, and delete, delete, delete until the problem goes away. I'm aware of one board that decided to do that as a policy - delete, delete, delete - ban, go private, etc - now it's on the verge of going into oblivion...

    I think your idea is absolutely insane!!! What the heck will that accomplish, other than causing severe anger and resentment... Do you disagree with the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis when he said , "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants." ? I personally live by and believe we should heed those words
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    Just for arguments sake.... Moheganson and bkcloud are the fourth and fifth people I was talking about.... The only reason I say they are your buddIES is because you all showed up within a week of each other and started disrupting this board.... All save BKcloud, but he says he knows you too. Alls I know is I use to enjoy this site, and these past few days have not been enjoyable to say the least...

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    This is a Internet (Cigar) CHAT ROOM Not some third world country struggle for power !!!
    Let's light up and chill out.

    P.S. If you don't like the way this site is run, you have the Freedom to go somewhere else...
    Start your own if you like.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeyJoe
    This is a Internet (Cigar) CHAT ROOM Not some third world country struggle for power !!!
    Let's light up and chill out.

    P.S. If you don't like the way this site is run, you have the Freedom to go somewhere else...
    Start your own if you like.......
    That's exactly what I meant. There is no reason to air disagreements, etc.

    I don't know how much simpler to say this: If you don't like participating on this board, then leave. If you stay, let's talk cigars. If you don't, we will still talk cigars.

    These board wars are what's insane. This is hex's site. He shouldn't have to put up with it and if he wants to ban every damn one of us, including me, then do so. He wants to talk cigars; I want to talk cigars. None of us want to talk about this load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockyhoskins
    That's exactly what I meant. There is no reason to air disagreements, etc.

    I don't know how much simpler to say this: If you don't like participating on this board, then leave. If you stay, let's talk cigars. If you don't, we will still talk cigars.

    These board wars are what's insane. This is hex's site. He shouldn't have to put up with it and if he wants to ban every damn one of us, including me, then do so. He wants to talk cigars; I want to talk cigars. None of us want to talk about this load.
    You don't want to talk about bad cigar trading? That seems to me to be pertinent information for a cigar board. It appears some are planning box passes in the near future... So then it's okay to put and take fake cigars - valuing them as originals? Would you buy a Rolex off eBay?

    Most of the cigar box passes I've been involved in have had the caveat "equal puts and takes". You wanna see someone get angry, do it otherwise. There's a board I've been involved in for quite a while that just did a box pass that was an absolute joke. One of the members saw nothing wrong with taking out three limited edition, super-premium smokes (about $30 a piece), and replace them with common smokes ($5 - 8). I'd like to do that - that would be great!!! I believe the person did it out of ignorance not knowing the real value of the cigars. If I did that, it would be theft - because I KNOW better (having learned from doing box passes with others). Great for a newb to do that - not good for a vet to do that... What separates me from a newb in that - KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE, UNDERSTANDING and most of all TRUST!!! But then again, isn't that what this and other boards are about? Teaching and learning etiquette?

    One of the valuable lessons I've learned on other boards (and I think you can appreciate this, Cocky) is the concept "Pay it Forward". I've learned this through words and actions. If I feel the need, I send out a group of smokes to a newb so they can sample some nice smokes. That is part of the BOTL (Brotherhood of the Leaf) we are all a member of. I have been gifted with some INCREDIBLE cigars (such as the nice box that came yesterday containing an Opus X Churchill, Diamond Crown Maximus Double Cornona, Trinidad Robusto and a Joya de Nicaragua Antano I've been dying to try). Not because I traded - not because I deserved it - just because another member decided to "Pay it Forward". I sent out two bombs a few weeks ago containing about 30 cigars. If the mood hit me, I'd send smokes to someone here as well. As a matter of fact, I see the potential for some deserving brothers (newbs) on this board who are in definite need of broadening their tastes. (Acid cigars, C'MON!!!)

    You want to talk about cigars - talk about cigars. Talk about ALL aspects of cigars. If you are planning on doing any trades in here, talk about expectations. Talk about fairness. Talk about equal puts and takes. Do it in a respectful way, but don't shy away from it because it may not be nice. That's how a board becomes successful, and members get along.
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    BTW- Roham - me and a few of my friends have come to take care of business here...

































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    Quote Originally Posted by Roham
    Just for arguments sake.... Moheganson and bkcloud are the fourth and fifth people I was talking about.... The only reason I say they are your buddIES is because you all showed up within a week of each other and started disrupting this board.... All save BKcloud, but he says he knows you too. Alls I know is I use to enjoy this site, and these past few days have not been enjoyable to say the least...
    By the way - when you made your initial post about 5 of us coming over here, BKcloud hadn't even signed up yet... I think you're trying to paint a picture here that's not quite accurate to support your position of a bunch of bad people coming in here to destroy this happy home. Not my intent, not CoventryCat's, nor Moheganson's either - and I can tell you, not BKcloud's either. Nor Leebo (I guess you'd call him the 6th), or AlexGTP (the 7th) - they're new and said "hi" too.

    And I agree with you Roham - conflict is not enjoyable. But, hopefully, it is shortlived - as long as it is let to run its course. Patience is the key here - those involved will resolve their differences one way or the other. And through the process we will all learn something - whether it's trading etiquette, handling conflict, how to spot fake cigars - or more importantly, who we are as INDIVIDUALS. You may not like what I say, but I'm sure you will come to appreciate who I am. Conversely, I do not like all you say, but I will come to appreciate who you are. Life would be boring if we were all exactly alike...

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    ggiese, I accept your argument. Now, give me areview of what you smoked last night

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockyhoskins
    ggiese, I accept your argument. Now, give me areview of what you smoked last night
    Sorry, bro - worked from 9 am until 11 pm yesterday - I didn't get a smoke in... But I plan to do it up right this weekend!!!

    I'll let you know!!!

    Now I gotta go to the humi - decisions, decisions!!!

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    Would you buy a Rolex off eBay?
    HEY you makin' fun of me 'cause I bought my Rolex off of eBay?

    You are a mean, mean man George

    I'm gonna go lie on the couch and sulk all day AFTER I pick up my Rolex from the jeweler's from being serviced AND getting the crystal repaired that I smashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
    HEY you makin' fun of me 'cause I bought my Rolex off of eBay?

    You are a mean, mean man George :

    I'm gonna go lie on the couch and sulk all day AFTER I pick up my Rolex from the jeweler's from being serviced AND getting the crystal repaired that I smashed.
    I hope you didn't get one of those "genuine" Rolex's that sell for $19.99.... I think the same poster is selling the glass-top Cohiba's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roham
    Just for arguments sake.... Moheganson and bkcloud are the fourth and fifth people I was talking about.... The only reason I say they are your buddIES is because you all showed up within a week of each other and started disrupting this board.... All save BKcloud, but he says he knows you too. Alls I know is I use to enjoy this site, and these past few days have not been enjoyable to say the least...
    roham, once again you are posting slander. blkcloud had not signed up when you posted your slander and PLEASE tell us all exatcly which FIVE people who signed up AFTER ggiese have been "disrupting this board?

    I really think you should refrain from posting further slander.

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    Roham... You don't know me and to include me in something that has nothing to do with me or you is stupid. "All save BKcloud", please tell me that is a typo.... if not I might just tell you to STFU .... I have never said anything bad about anybody on this board and I do not have any intentions on doing so unless it is done to me or my opinion is asked. You are sticking your nose in where it does not belong. I was banned from LTC for associating with certain people, not for what I said. Is that what you are attempting to turn this board into. Please find a post by me where I flamed somebody that makes this so unenjoyable for you. If ya can't find one I believe an apology is in order. Let's see how long it takes for our posts to be deleted or for us too be banned.....

    Maybe I'll go back to the other BB's where there is no pansy ass bullshit

    Quote Originally Posted by Roham
    Just for arguments sake.... Moheganson and bkcloud are the fourth and fifth people I was talking about.... The only reason I say they are your buddIES is because you all showed up within a week of each other and started disrupting this board.... All save BKcloud, but he says he knows you too. Alls I know is I use to enjoy this site, and these past few days have not been enjoyable to say the least...

    edited for spelling, I know CC will find more

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese
    I think your idea is absolutely insane!!! What the heck will that accomplish, other than causing severe anger and resentment... Do you disagree with the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis when he said , "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants." ? I personally live by and believe we should heed those words
    Quoting Brandeis is a little over the top. It makes me think of Learned Hand when he said:

    "The mid-day sun is too much for most eyes; one is dazzled even with its reflection. Be careful that too broad and high an aim does not paralyze your effort and clog your springs of action."

    Or better yet, he said: "No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture."

    My point is simply: Lighten up and let's talk about cigars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockyhoskins
    Quoting Brandeis is a little over the top. It makes me think of Learned Hand when he said:

    "The mid-day sun is too much for most eyes; one is dazzled even with its reflection. Be careful that too broad and high an aim does not paralyze your effort and clog your springs of action."

    Or better yet, he said: "No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture."

    My point is simply: Lighten up and let's talk about cigars.
    Aside from the few posts in here and a couple of other thread, I think you can see we ARE talking about cigars - just not all the time (for example, the thread you're involved in about the NFL draft). I'm sure at some point you'll be faced with political discussions between members - it's bound to happen. You want to see feathers fly?

    I agree: "No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture." So in response to your first quote: Please don't paint this dispute into an all consuming, destructive war - that's not what it is. It's a disagreement, pure and simple, trying to bring ONE circumstance to light. It's never been a broad attack on this board. I'm not some kind of enforcer, who doesn't enjoy cigars, coming in here to wreak havoc. Please don't label me as such. It hurts my feelings

    And we are not focusing on disrupting the board as Roham would suggest. I know a lot of people on other boards - and they know me. So they show up here and say "hi"? Does that now mean they mean harm? You don't know BKcloud - are you prejudiced? You certainly are prejudging him. You should get to know him - he's really a great guy!!! He's fairly new at cigars, but has the same passion for them as you do.

    I've spoken my peace an some issues, so I can see where you might be a little irritated by my comments if you don't necessarily agree with them. But that doesn't make me a bad person, does it? A number of you disagreed with me, and I don't view you as a bad people.

    So what should we do Cocky? Delete, Delete, Delete, ban, lock down, make the board private? Lock me out - shut the site down - become paranoid - "there's bad people on the internet that will come in here and say bad things". C'mon - you seem a bit wiser then that. You know what the end result of that would be... I don't need to tell you.
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    I see my friends CoventryCat86 and ggiese are here along with others. Good to see you guys again

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    Hey Kevin!!

    Good to see you too

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7
    I see my friends CoventryCat86 and ggiese are here along with others. Good to see you guys again
    Hey, Kevin!!! Good to see you too!!!

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