OK, enough bullshit.

[CoventryCat86]

Wisdom of the ages. He makes sense guys.

No he doesn't

He's another shelby who whines and pisses and moans about things he doesn't like and then engages in EXACTLY the behavior he claims to find so objectionable.

He can't even make cogent arguments without personal attacks and illogical reasoning so just like shelby, there's no reasoning with him.

Please don't encourage him.

[Dickson]

CC,

A little help hee. I don't get it as usual.

[Newfie]

Bill, you baited me once before with incorrect statements, false accusations and a general shit-slinging series of posts.

It isn't happening again.

I posted a response to alot of the comments in this thread, and even complimented you.

Enough's enough. Have fun playing in your sand box pal.

[cigar no baka]

Bill, you baited me once before with incorrect statements, false accusations and a general shit-slinging series of posts.

It isn't happening again.

I posted a response to alot of the comments in this thread, and even complimented you.

Enough's enough. Have fun playing in your sand box pal.

You weren't here when the Barry fiasco started, and then Sid started defending him, and started a shitstorm doing so?

i don't think you understand what happened, but you kind of imply that you do. I would be careful about making generalized statements about things that happened before you got here.

[Newfie]

You weren't here when the Barry fiasco started, and then Sid started defending him, and started a shitstorm doing so?

i don't think you understand what happened, but you kind of imply that you do. I would be careful about making generalized statements about things that happened before you got here.

Baka, I joined here (if I remember correctly) right about the time Barry did. I do remember Sid defending him (and the surrounding feud), but for the most part, didn't read much on it and fairly much stayed away from it. If I also remember correctly, they were friends somehow before Barry joined the board, and that Sid invited him.

While I don't pretend to know all the issues concerning some of the "personality clashes", I do believe that many are fueled by differences in political views, and I'm sure you'll agree that much of the shit-slinging has been a result of political posts and taunting. If I indicated in any of my posts that I know exactly all the issues around said feuds, I apologize to anyone offended and retract that (those) statements.

[ggiese]

Newfie - I think baka hit the nail on the head.

Most of the "players" in this latest dust up have not been here to understand the context of the argument. Kinda like walking into a husband and wife screaming at each other and saying it's a bunch of noise and not in the least bit useful. Sure - at the moment is stinks - but it should (theoretically) lead to resolution (one way or the other). Hard for someone to judge who's right or wrong because there is no context - you have no history behind the current dispute. Siding with one or the other is really not the appropriate thing to do. Believe me - I've been there and done that. One of the most dangerous things you can do is to step in the middle of that...

Most of the current people upset by these events were not here when CC came to this board. Many were not here in previous disputes. Quite a few were not here for the genesis of the current dispute. Personal relationships between "disputees" and some of the people expressing frustrations with the current malaise did develop AFTER the dispute started - which would logically color (or colour, for you Canadians in the audience) your judgment. Honestly think about it - it really may not be in your means to understand what's going on. So, logically, opinions that you express will most likely ruffle one side or the other.


BTW - despite your best efforts to deny it - this is about as close as you can get to a full blown democracy. With all the craziness usually associated with being able to say pretty much what you want. There are limits - as in yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. What CC is saying is challenging, no doubt - but it does not rise to the level of "fire". Learn to accept there are differing viewpoints, and learn to argue with a mind that is not clouded by personal feelings.

In other words - develop a thick skin...

[Newfie]

Hiya George.

No doubt this will come to a resolution one way or another. Unfortunately, it may mean people leaving unnecessarily, that's what I hate about the situation.

Someone please tell me if I'm 100% right, totally out to lunch, or somewhere in the middle when I say I believe much if this is fueled by political beliefs!! Like I said before, I don't really give a damn if you, or Sid, or Bill, or Barry, or whoever thinks the Republicans are better than the Democrats , or vice versa. I just don't think it should evolve to bad friendships here.

No, I don't have any history behind the current dispute, I'm just looking at the possible results. I don't believe I'm taking sides, either.

I like to think I have a thick skin and can stand up to quote a bit of crap, I just hate what's going on here. There was a thread quite a while ago about a "Home Board". I like this place (and the freedom allowed) and like the vast majority of the people.

This discussion, like many others, can have no settlement. Some people will always agree to disagree.

Agreed??

[ggiese]

Hiya George.

No doubt this will come to a resolution one way or another. Unfortunately, it may mean people leaving unnecessarily, that's what I hate about the situation.

Someone please tell me if I'm 100% right, totally out to lunch, or somewhere in the middle when I say I believe much if this is fueled by political beliefs!! Like I said before, I don't really give a damn if you, or Sid, or Bill, or Barry, or whoever thinks the Republicans are better than the Democrats , or vice versa. I just don't think it should evolve to bad friendships here.

No, I don't have any history behind the current dispute, I'm just looking at the possible results. I don't believe I'm taking sides, either.

I like to think I have a thick skin and can stand up to quote a bit of crap, I just hate what's going on here. There was a thread quite a while ago about a "Home Board". I like this place (and the freedom allowed) and like the vast majority of the people.

This discussion, like many others, can have no settlement. Some people will always agree to disagree.

Agreed??

Honestly - the political discussion was getting out of hand. While I appreciate differing views and am not overly sensitive (I can take it as well as I dish it out) - there comes a "line" (as you say) of decency. You may be disturbed about CC's diatribe - but it doesn't even come close to some of the hateful, obnoxious, disrespectful, crude, vulgar and otherwise hurtful nonsense that was being posted in those earlier "political" discussions. Some of which (as you point out in the current scenario) led to good members packing it up and moving on, while others seriously assessed their continued presence on this board. Good people left because of the nonsense....

So - was it the purpose of the individual who was the nexus of the "discussions" to provide a glimpse into their political views? Or was it really intended to draw out individuals with opposing views to engage them in a head to head battle. I dunno..

I think at least a portion of the current discussions seems to be about whether or not there was a "conspiracy" - and how deep that "conspiracy" was. There is some pretty compelling evidence to support the view that at least one person was engaged in behavior that was suggestive of him trying to "control" the board, or "control" engagements. There is also some pretty compelling evidence that there was a calculated orchestration for certain events and individuals that are not participatory on our board came over here to influence the events.

You can draw your own conclusions based upon the adequate evidence that's available, if you care to look at it. It will definitely take some reading to get the full flavor of the conflict...

Remember, though - half the story is not the WHOLE story no matter how you try to paint it. Being there is more important than reading about it. For example, you no longer have the opportunity to test ideas and assumptions concurrent with the discussions in live time.

Boy it sure would be swell to get past all of this and move on to discussing cigars. And Utopia is a great place to be!!! In reality, though, I think we are never going to be away from disputes on our board - and we about about as close as we may come to living in Utopia.

[CoventryCat86]

Hiya George.

No doubt this will come to a resolution one way or another. Unfortunately, it may mean people leaving unnecessarily, that's what I hate about the situation.

Someone please tell me if I'm 100% right, totally out to lunch, or somewhere in the middle when I say I believe much if this is fueled by political beliefs!!

You are totally out to lunch, none of "this is fueled by political beliefs." While I can't speak for sid, I'd venture a cigar bet that he agrees with me on this.

As far as people "leaving unnecessarily" when are people like you going to ever get it through your thick heads that people come and go from forums like this for MANY reasons with dusts up ranking as a very small percentage in the whole scheme of things.

[CoventryCat86]

Bill, you baited me once before with incorrect statements, false accusations and a general shit-slinging series of posts.

It isn't happening again.

I posted a response to alot of the comments in this thread, and even complimented you.

Enough's enough. Have fun playing in your sand box pal.

Stop lying.

I did not "bait" you nor did I "twist your words." I asked you a simple question, you refused to answer and now you're melting down.

By the way, there is no such word as "alot."

[Newfie]

snip.....By the way, there is no such word as "alot."

Bwaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, he's BAAAAAAAACK

[CoventryCat86]

Here was my question:

So Newfie according to your logic, it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?

I did not "put words in your mouth" that's an incorrect statement from you which is synonomous with a lie.

Once again, the question is simple and it would be nice if you'd either say "Yes, that's okay in my book." or "No, you are wrong, I don't believe it's okay for people to "fuck up" and never apologize for it. I think they should man up and accept that they were wrong."

But instead you start whining and "slinging shit" as you falsely accused me of.

[Newfie]

Here was my question:

I did not "put words in your mouth" that's an incorrect statement from you which is synonomous with a lie.

Once again, the question is simple and it would be nice if you'd either say "Yes, that's okay in my book." or "No, you are wrong, I don't believe it's okay for people to "fuck up" and never apologize for it. I think they should man up and accept that they were wrong."

But instead you start whining and "slinging shit" as you falsely accused me of.

OK Bill, I thought I already answered your question, but here goes again:

SNIP...Kevin:

Yeah, if you fuck up, sure, let’s go dude, and I don’t believe anyone would have an issue with that. Wasn't my intention to imply that Pal.
....SNIP....
Bill ……………… Bill ………..:

So we’re on opposite sides of the fence, but we both agree with Kevin??? I’m not talking about the one-time run-in-start-shit-run-out crap that everyone (almost) here will jump on. If you think that’s what’s getting my goat, then you should read my post again. ....SNIP

So, if you're interested and if you can find it, please tell me where I said:

snip....it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?....snip

[CoventryCat86]

OK Bill, I thought I already answered your question, but here goes again:



So, if you're interested and if you can find it, please tell me where I said:

I NEVER said you "said" anything and now you're "snipping" my post to make it look like something it's not.

Once again, trying to have a reasonable dialog with you is virtually impossible without you acting like as ass so I'll try one more time. Here is my question to you, it's a QUESTION newfie, NOT me "putting words in your mouth" or saying that you "said" something. One more time, this is a QUESTION and it would be nice if you'd answer it:

So Newfie according to your logic, it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?

Based on your first post here, I drew what I thought was a reasonable conclusion regarding your logic which was that you seem to think it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it.

If I'm wrong, please explain to me why I'm wrong.