OK, enough bullshit.

[Newfie]

Hiya George.

No doubt this will come to a resolution one way or another. Unfortunately, it may mean people leaving unnecessarily, that's what I hate about the situation.

Someone please tell me if I'm 100% right, totally out to lunch, or somewhere in the middle when I say I believe much if this is fueled by political beliefs!! Like I said before, I don't really give a damn if you, or Sid, or Bill, or Barry, or whoever thinks the Republicans are better than the Democrats , or vice versa. I just don't think it should evolve to bad friendships here.

No, I don't have any history behind the current dispute, I'm just looking at the possible results. I don't believe I'm taking sides, either.

I like to think I have a thick skin and can stand up to quote a bit of crap, I just hate what's going on here. There was a thread quite a while ago about a "Home Board". I like this place (and the freedom allowed) and like the vast majority of the people.

This discussion, like many others, can have no settlement. Some people will always agree to disagree.

Agreed??

[ggiese]

Hiya George.

No doubt this will come to a resolution one way or another. Unfortunately, it may mean people leaving unnecessarily, that's what I hate about the situation.

Someone please tell me if I'm 100% right, totally out to lunch, or somewhere in the middle when I say I believe much if this is fueled by political beliefs!! Like I said before, I don't really give a damn if you, or Sid, or Bill, or Barry, or whoever thinks the Republicans are better than the Democrats , or vice versa. I just don't think it should evolve to bad friendships here.

No, I don't have any history behind the current dispute, I'm just looking at the possible results. I don't believe I'm taking sides, either.

I like to think I have a thick skin and can stand up to quote a bit of crap, I just hate what's going on here. There was a thread quite a while ago about a "Home Board". I like this place (and the freedom allowed) and like the vast majority of the people.

This discussion, like many others, can have no settlement. Some people will always agree to disagree.

Agreed??

Honestly - the political discussion was getting out of hand. While I appreciate differing views and am not overly sensitive (I can take it as well as I dish it out) - there comes a "line" (as you say) of decency. You may be disturbed about CC's diatribe - but it doesn't even come close to some of the hateful, obnoxious, disrespectful, crude, vulgar and otherwise hurtful nonsense that was being posted in those earlier "political" discussions. Some of which (as you point out in the current scenario) led to good members packing it up and moving on, while others seriously assessed their continued presence on this board. Good people left because of the nonsense....

So - was it the purpose of the individual who was the nexus of the "discussions" to provide a glimpse into their political views? Or was it really intended to draw out individuals with opposing views to engage them in a head to head battle. I dunno..

I think at least a portion of the current discussions seems to be about whether or not there was a "conspiracy" - and how deep that "conspiracy" was. There is some pretty compelling evidence to support the view that at least one person was engaged in behavior that was suggestive of him trying to "control" the board, or "control" engagements. There is also some pretty compelling evidence that there was a calculated orchestration for certain events and individuals that are not participatory on our board came over here to influence the events.

You can draw your own conclusions based upon the adequate evidence that's available, if you care to look at it. It will definitely take some reading to get the full flavor of the conflict...

Remember, though - half the story is not the WHOLE story no matter how you try to paint it. Being there is more important than reading about it. For example, you no longer have the opportunity to test ideas and assumptions concurrent with the discussions in live time.

Boy it sure would be swell to get past all of this and move on to discussing cigars. And Utopia is a great place to be!!! In reality, though, I think we are never going to be away from disputes on our board - and we about about as close as we may come to living in Utopia.

[Newfie]

Thanks George.

Just for my own interest, I'll sit this weekend with a smoke and a coffee or three and spend some time searching and reading. And I'll do it with an open mind!!

I'll also keep this part in mind too, it's pretty important IMHO:

Remember, though - half the story is not the WHOLE story no matter how you try to paint it. Being there is more important than reading about it. For example, you no longer have the opportunity to test ideas and assumptions concurrent with the discussions in live time.

[ggiese]

Thanks George.

Just for my own interest, I'll sit this weekend with a smoke and a coffee or three and spend some time searching and reading. And I'll do it with an open mind!!

I'll also keep this part in mind too, it's pretty important IMHO:

Good luck to you!

Also - one of the other things you will not have the advantage of evaluating is the subtle ploys and timing of the ploys that were going on at the time. i.e. - sigtags, member titles and avatar photos.

My member title is a remanant of those days - you'd have to have been here at that time to understand why and by what context it is significant. Basically, though, it has to do with an individual putting "CS - a bad place for Dems" in their member title after a certain sequence of significant events took place. Subtly (as subtle as an elephant can be) he was telling the community he believed the whole issue at the time had to do with the poop hitting the fan over political affiliations, when in reality it had more to do with his (and his friends) manners.

[Newfie]

snip....
Also - one of the other things you will not have the advantage of evaluating is the subtle ploys and timing of the ploys that were going on at the time. i.e. - sigtags, member titles and avatar photos.
....snip

I know, and that's unfortunate. I've seen some tags, titles and avtars that were quite "strange" to say the least, and quite ................................... the word "provoke" comes to mind, but not quite sure of the context to use it in.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

[Newfie]

I know, and that's unfortunate. I've seen some tags, titles and avtars that were quite "strange" to say the least, and quite ................................... the word "provoke" comes to mind, but not quite sure of the context to use it in.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

EDIT:

Oh year, congrats on your 3000th post too!!

[ggiese]

SUMBITCH!!! How did that escape me...







...and I wanted my 3,000 post to be the posting of NSFW pictures!!!

[cigar no baka]

Good luck to you!

Also - one of the other things you will not have the advantage of evaluating is the subtle ploys and timing of the ploys that were going on at the time. i.e. - sigtags, member titles and avatar photos.

My member title is a remanant of those days - you'd have to have been here at that time to understand why and by what context it is significant. Basically, though, it has to do with an individual putting "CS - a bad place for Dems" in their member title after a certain sequence of significant events took place. Subtly (as subtle as an elephant can be) he was telling the community he believed the whole issue at the time had to do with the poop hitting the fan over political affiliations, when in reality it had more to do with his (and his friends) manners.

Exactly! It didn't have to do with political beliefs, but the manner in which they were expressed!!!

[ggiese]

The other thing that I'm seeing a fair amount of is this idea that we should all get along. Sure - that's a wonderful mantra, but sometimes that's like telling a 900 pound woman she needs to squeeze into a size 3 for a wedding. As hard as you may try to make it fit - you know it's not going to happen - and it is not very pretty when it's attempted. So why even suggest it???

It also seems like people on this board are somtimes drawn to the controversy like a moth to the flame. The discussion is going on between two or so people - both making valid points. Then you have some goofball stick his/her nose into the mess with this "take this somewhere else" crap. How the hell do you then get all butt-hurt because they're told to STFU? Especially someone who has no history, doesn't understand the dynamics, hasn't researched the issue, etc. I'm sorry - ya can't blame the fire for you burning your hand...

[CoventryCat86]

Hiya George.

No doubt this will come to a resolution one way or another. Unfortunately, it may mean people leaving unnecessarily, that's what I hate about the situation.

Someone please tell me if I'm 100% right, totally out to lunch, or somewhere in the middle when I say I believe much if this is fueled by political beliefs!!

You are totally out to lunch, none of "this is fueled by political beliefs." While I can't speak for sid, I'd venture a cigar bet that he agrees with me on this.

As far as people "leaving unnecessarily" when are people like you going to ever get it through your thick heads that people come and go from forums like this for MANY reasons with dusts up ranking as a very small percentage in the whole scheme of things.

[cinda]

I think this has been discussed in circles and in order to move forward it would help to have a goal. My question to you is....What would end this for you CC? What would have to happen to put this puppy to bed?

I say this to you with all due respect please make the goal realistic.

[CoventryCat86]

I think this has been discussed in circles and in order to move forward it would help to have a goal. My question to you is....What would end this for you CC? What would have to happen to put this puppy to bed?

I say this to you with all due respect please make the goal realistic.

"end" what and what is "this puppy?" Why are you singling me out specifically?

It's not just me cinda because if I were to say "everything's cool with me" there are a WHOLE lot of other people out there who are extremely unhappy with sid so while your quest for a simple "end" is a noble one, it's an unrealistic one.

Even if I were to say "I'm leaving, and I will never post here ever again." do you think that would "end" anything or put some "puppy to bed?" I highly doubt it.

[cinda]

I am not sure I am singling you out rather I am asking you your opinion on a resolution to the situation that you presented to the board. The puppy is what ever you determine it to be for you. That is why I asked.

I suppose if I presented the same question to myself I would have to answer it by saying that clip needs not to be associated with the board. How that is done or if that is done I suppose is up to Hex and /or BPP.

I was just hoping there was a way to reslove it that all.

[ggiese]

I think this has been discussed in circles and in order to move forward it would help to have a goal. My question to you is....What would end this for you CC? What would have to happen to put this puppy to bed?

I say this to you with all due respect please make the goal realistic.

You're right - this has been discussed way more than it should have been. I have to be honest - I have a headache.

We have a number of people that are reading a particular post or series of posts and interpreting the entire episode based upon what they just read. It has no context - it has no overall relevance - it is just a snipit a much larger issue. Kinda like watching a small segment of The Notebook, seeing a comedic element and calling the whole movie a comedy.

Some in this community are trying to understand where people are coming from with their thoughts about recent events. To be honest, they should be reading all of the history of this issue and then interjecting their feelings - not asking for the Reader's Digest condensed version. I know it's Kinda tough to do that - it is spread out all over the board in various threads and there is no guide that could possibly navigate someone through all of the mess (Newfie says he's going to try this weekend - maybe when he's all done he can put something together for us - IF he reads ALL of it.).

What's it going to take Bill to stop? Please Bill - I'm not taking words out of your mouth but I think I understand what your thoughts are on this. It really is quite simple

1. Quite defending sid (or anyone else that deserves an ass smacking because of their behavior).
2. sid (and anyone else that is acting like and ass deserved of a good ass smacking) must publically apologize and make ammends for his/her behavior.
3. Don't make a post that is not accurate, and then expect the community to ignore it. If you're going to say it, defend it. If you can't defend it, don't say it. If you don't know HOW to defend it, don't involve yourself in the controversial threads!
4. Quit shooting the messenger for the message.

Honestly - I think the message is out there. It is what it is. Some may disagree that sid did some pretty stupid, self-centered, egotistical, arrogant, obnoxious things - and did it in a way that was freakin' sneaky. But it is what it is - and a very significant portion of the senior membership here believe sid screwed up (even though quite a few really like the guy) and should apologize for his behavior...

It goes back to what I said earlier in this thread - and I'm frustrated that some have chosen to ignore it. It took me a while to piece that post together...

The other thing that I'm seeing a fair amount of is this idea that we should all get along. Sure - that's a wonderful mantra, but sometimes that's like telling a 900 pound woman she needs to squeeze into a size 3 for a wedding. As hard as you may try to make it fit - you know it's not going to happen - and it is not very pretty when it's attempted. So why even suggest it???

It also seems like people on this board are somtimes drawn to the controversy like a moth to the flame. The discussion is going on between two or so people - both making valid points. Then you have some goofball stick his/her nose into the mess with this "take this somewhere else" crap. How the hell do you then get all butt-hurt because they're told to STFU? Especially someone who has no history, doesn't understand the dynamics, hasn't researched the issue, etc. I'm sorry - ya can't blame the fire for you burning your hand...

You want to put this puppy to bed? Read my above quoted previous post and See points 1, 2, 3 and 4...



Now if you don't mind - I'm going to go back to being a smartass. Those of you who want to argue like a bunch of sixth grade girls fighting over the cutest boy in class - keep it up. Gloves are off - you're going to get your asses smacked!!!

[CoventryCat86]

Please Bill - I'm not taking words out of your mouth but I think I understand what your thoughts are on this. It really is quite simple

1. Quit defending sid (or anyone else that deserves an ass smacking because of their behavior).
2. sid (and anyone else that is acting like and ass deserved of a good ass smacking) must publicly apologize and make ammends for his/her behavior.
3. Don't make a post that is not accurate, and then expect the community to ignore it. If you're going to say it, defend it. If you can't defend it, don't say it. If you don't know HOW to defend it, don't involve yourself in the controversial threads!
4. Quit shooting the messenger for the message.

I don't think I could have said it better myself George.

[Dickson]

This is going stale, even for me. Someone make a move, either way. Amends, or not.

[ggiese]

This is going stale, even for me. Someone make a move, either way. Amends, or not.

Oh, nice - now you're stirring the pot...

[Shelby07]

I don't think I could have said it better myself George.

Well then, why the hell didn't you, you fucking moron.

Poor George... he always has to come to your rescue and tell people what you really mean.

[ggiese]

Well then, why the hell didn't you, you fucking moron.

Poor George... he always has to come to your rescue and tell people what you really mean.

Poor shelby - I have to keep a close eye on the board so I can explain to him what I mean. He's having some comprehension problems with my posts...

shelby - if you're not getting what I'm saying, how can you possibly understand what others are saying? Seriously - I'm picturing you as one of the Peanuts cartoons that used to be on years ago. You, know - the one where Charlie Brown is talking to the teacher and the the teacher is saying, "Mwaaah Mwah Mwaaaahhh Mwah Mwah..." It's like you're not picking up the words when they're spoken and it's all gibberish to you...

Hey - I invested in a pair of bi-focals a while back. Has done wonders for my reading comprehension. You might want to give them a whirl...

[Moheganson]

Well then, why the hell didn't you, you fucking moron.

Poor George... he always has to come to your rescue and tell people what you really mean.

I used to think you were a good guy but not any more. Isn't what he did against the rules here?