OK, enough bullshit.

[Newfie]

Here was my question:

I did not "put words in your mouth" that's an incorrect statement from you which is synonomous with a lie.

Once again, the question is simple and it would be nice if you'd either say "Yes, that's okay in my book." or "No, you are wrong, I don't believe it's okay for people to "fuck up" and never apologize for it. I think they should man up and accept that they were wrong."

But instead you start whining and "slinging shit" as you falsely accused me of.

OK Bill, I thought I already answered your question, but here goes again:

SNIP...Kevin:

Yeah, if you fuck up, sure, let’s go dude, and I don’t believe anyone would have an issue with that. Wasn't my intention to imply that Pal.
....SNIP....
Bill ……………… Bill ………..:

So we’re on opposite sides of the fence, but we both agree with Kevin??? I’m not talking about the one-time run-in-start-shit-run-out crap that everyone (almost) here will jump on. If you think that’s what’s getting my goat, then you should read my post again. ....SNIP

So, if you're interested and if you can find it, please tell me where I said:

snip....it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?....snip

[CoventryCat86]

OK Bill, I thought I already answered your question, but here goes again:



So, if you're interested and if you can find it, please tell me where I said:

I NEVER said you "said" anything and now you're "snipping" my post to make it look like something it's not.

Once again, trying to have a reasonable dialog with you is virtually impossible without you acting like as ass so I'll try one more time. Here is my question to you, it's a QUESTION newfie, NOT me "putting words in your mouth" or saying that you "said" something. One more time, this is a QUESTION and it would be nice if you'd answer it:

So Newfie according to your logic, it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?

Based on your first post here, I drew what I thought was a reasonable conclusion regarding your logic which was that you seem to think it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it.

If I'm wrong, please explain to me why I'm wrong.

[Newfie]

snip...So Newfie according to your logic, it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?....snip

NO!!!!

Is that clear enough for you to understand?? Is that proper for you?? Is the spelling correct??

I have read, re-read, and studied my original post again and I still get the same meaning I intended in the first place, and there is no way I can interpret or read into it what you did, and i furthermore and once again invite you to explain how you arrived at that theory. Until that time, in my honest opinion, there's nothing more you have to say to me.

MIGUEL:

You have my sincerest apologies for even starting this thread and muddying the database of the Board with the shit contained with-in. If I could delete the thread, I would as I had no idea someone would so grossly misinterpret my words!!.

[ggiese]

MIGUEL:

You have my sincerest apologies for even starting this thread and muddying the database of the Board with the shit contained with-in. If I could delete the thread, I would as I had no idea someone would so grossly misinterpret my words!!.

I'm highly offended, newfie. Very selfish - now that you've heard the explanations and want the discussion cleared out. I was honestly and sincerely trying to answer your questions and you want to wipe that all out? You make it feel like you didn't want to hear what I had to say - you already had your mind made up and it didn't matter.

However, rhere's some very good points that have been made in this thread and it is good for everyone to understand thoughts behind the posts. To erase this thread sure would be a shame. We could point to this thread when some newbie comes in and tries to understand why someone is being beat up! It's not like we've never had this discussion before!

My take? Maybe we need more of these kinds of threads to better understand one another and maybe it will reduce future confrontations.

[Newfie]

I'm highly offended, newfie. Very selfish - now that you've heard the explanations and want the discussion cleared out. I was honestly and sincerely trying to answer your questions and you want to wipe that all out? You make it feel like you didn't want to hear what I had to say - you already had your mind made up and it didn't matter.

However, rhere's some very good points that have been made in this thread and it is good for everyone to understand thoughts behind the posts. To erase this thread sure would be a shame. We could point to this thread when some newbie comes in and tries to understand why someone is being beat up! It's not like we've never had this discussion before!

My take? Maybe we need more of these kinds of threads to better understand one another and maybe it will reduce future confrontations.

George, you are one of the members of this board for whom I have the utmost of respect for, and that particular post was not in any way intended to offend you or anyone else I have any respect for (whether or not I agree with their views). I DO agree with you that there have been several quality posts and many good points brought up with-in this thread, but unfortunately, the bull contained with-in may outweigh the beneficial posts. Maybe I am being selfish by wishing the thread be obliterated from existance. However, that being said, it is still my full intention to do quite a bit more research into the reasonings behind some of the posts I have classed as "Hate".

I have stated that I believed many were "fueled" by political views, and disagreeing with those of others. I believe Baka may have shed some light on that for me by saying it wasn't necessarily the "views", but how they were presented, and I thank him for that.

However, that ray of light had nothing to do with my wishing the thread was gone.

[Shelby07]

...He's another shelby who whines and pisses and moans about things he doesn't like and then engages in EXACTLY the behavior he claims to find so objectionable.

He can't even make cogent arguments without personal attacks and illogical reasoning so just like shelby, there's no reasoning with him...
.

Well, now that Hex's request is negated, let me try this my way...

I can't figure out if this is fuckin' hilarious, inanely stupid or just plain sad...

Another Shelby? (is your caps key broken?)

You're a fuckin' nut. You prove it almost every time you show that you can't reply "intelligently" to a well thought out post that you disagree with. Read Newfie's post then read your answer, you ignorant bastard.

C'mon, Bill - show the general populace that you can do something besides fling shit at me. They stuck up for you here... the least you can do is show them that they backed a good horse. Give them some kind of thought out response. Take a look at Newfie's post and try again. You're on a roll. Just remember what happened to Barry when he was on a roll. Be careful, the same thing could happen to you.

Newfie's post was intelligent and well presented. Instead of replying to his posts, you just used it as another opportunity to whine about me. Your butt must be all hurt over me 'cause you just can't let it go.

You couldn't write an intelligent response if your fuckin' life depended on it, and for the life of me I can't figure out why the folks on this board think you are such an asset - especially when you show your ass so often.

...wait a minute.... is there a connection there???

Y'know Bill, I think you must have gotten beaten up alot when you were a kid. You really need to get over it. You're supposed to me a grown man now.

...and by the way, you never did answer my question. Do you actually own a home in Nova Scotia? Please let me know as I'd like to apologize if you do... but I don't think you do. I think it's just more of your bullshit. And I know it comes right back to something I posted.

What a fuckin' nut!

[Shelby07]

Newfie - I think baka hit the nail on the head.

Most of the "players" in this latest dust up have not been here to understand the context of the argument. Kinda like walking into a husband and wife screaming at each other and saying it's a bunch of noise and not in the least bit useful. Sure - at the moment is stinks - but it should (theoretically) lead to resolution (one way or the other). Hard for someone to judge who's right or wrong because there is no context - you have no history behind the current dispute. Siding with one or the other is really not the appropriate thing to do. Believe me - I've been there and done that. One of the most dangerous things you can do is to step in the middle of that...

Most of the current people upset by these events were not here when CC came to this board. Many were not here in previous disputes. Quite a few were not here for the genesis of the current dispute. Personal relationships between "disputees" and some of the people expressing frustrations with the current malaise did develop AFTER the dispute started - which would logically color (or colour, for you Canadians in the audience) your judgment. Honestly think about it - it really may not be in your means to understand what's going on. So, logically, opinions that you express will most likely ruffle one side or the other.


BTW - despite your best efforts to deny it - this is about as close as you can get to a full blown democracy. With all the craziness usually associated with being able to say pretty much what you want. There are limits - as in yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. What CC is saying is challenging, no doubt - but it does not rise to the level of "fire". Learn to accept there are differing viewpoints, and learn to argue with a mind that is not clouded by personal feelings.

In other words - develop a thick skin...

I think you gat it wrong here, George...

Most of the "current" people have either been offended personally or have hade their sensibilities offended in one way or another by Bill. It has nothing to do with what happened before they got here, but what they have seen after they got here. To change your analogy a bit, it's more like walking in on a husband and wife fighting and having the husband slug you because you don't agree with his side of the argument. In one breath you say it will lead to a resolution, in the next you say that we shouldn't comment because we don't know what went on over a year ago. It doesn't make sense.

And a full blown democracy would probably mean majority rule. I think most people here would like to see the fighting that has apparantly gone on for a long time come to an end. That would mean that people who have a disagreement should resolve it or just let it die. But this won't happen as long as there are people here who want to fight forever.

I understand friendship and I respect standing by a friend, but don't you ever get tired of defending this guy? Why not let him stand on his own? He hates me because I am friends with Sid, but friend or no friend, I let Sid defend himself. It seems that you are in the unenviable position of having to come in and sweep up the messes that Bill makes.

And as for developing a thick skin, maybe you ought to have a little chat with Bill about that.

[CoventryCat86]

Well, now that Hex's request is negated, let me try this my way...

I can't figure out if this is fuckin' hilarious, inanely stupid or just plain sad...

Another Shelby? (is your caps key broken?)

You're a fuckin' nut. You prove it almost every time you show that you can't reply "intelligently" to a well thought out post that you disagree with. Read Newfie's post then read your answer, you ignorant bastard.

C'mon, Bill - show the general populace that you can do something besides fling shit at me. They stuck up for you here... the least you can do is show them that they backed a good horse. Give them some kind of thought out response. Take a look at Newfie's post and try again. You're on a roll. Just remember what happened to Barry when he was on a roll. Be careful, the same thing could happen to you.

Newfie's post was intelligent and well presented. Instead of replying to his posts, you just used it as another opportunity to whine about me. Your butt must be all hurt over me 'cause you just can't let it go.

You couldn't write an intelligent response if your fuckin' life depended on it, and for the life of me I can't figure out why the folks on this board think you are such an asset - especially when you show your ass so often.

...wait a minute.... is there a connection there???

Y'know Bill, I think you must have gotten beaten up alot when you were a kid. You really need to get over it. You're supposed to me a grown man now.

...and by the way, you never did answer my question. Do you actually own a home in Nova Scotia? Please let me know as I'd like to apologize if you do... but I don't think you do. I think it's just more of your bullshit. And I know it comes right back to something I posted.

What a fuckin' nut!

Full blown meltdown.

I thought you were leaving?

Going out in a blaze of glory, huh?

As far as where I live, drew_goring has his "location" listed as "Havana, Cuba" and cabaguan juan has his listed as "the 8th ring of Saturn." Good God, why are you making such a big deal about the "location" I have listed in my profile? Don't you realize how infantile you're making yourself look? It's none of your damned business if whether or not I own property in Nova Scotia. Why are you so hell bent on wanting an answer to that question? The last thing I'd do is tell some mentally unbalanced person like you any details of my personal life so how about you just keep on wondering and stop whining about it?

And once again shelby, I never got "beat up" as a kid nor did I ever "beat" anyone up. I am not a violent person. Did your mother and father physically abuse you when you were a child? You sure do seem to be a very violent person with deepset emotional problems who superimposes his childhood problems on others for no apparent reason. Have you ever been arrested for assault? Have you ever punched anyone in anger because you couldn't control your temper? Please let me know, thanks!