Stick for Soldiers

[pub spears]

Here's 1 of my local shops. http://www.nickscigarworld.com/cigarsfortroops.html They keep an aquarium by the register and send the gar donations to the troops. Check the pics and tally links.

[bigsmoke]

They get danger pay. They can buy their own.

[drew_goring]

They get danger pay. They can buy their own.

That's a fairly ignorant statement. I really don't think it is the issue of a 3$ smoke, it is more of an issue of availability. And for whatever it's worth, military personnel are not paid nearly what they deserve.

[prophetic_joe]

Any little thing we can do for the men and women who protect our country is worth all of the time and money you can spare. The folks in our armed forces deserve your gratitude and this is a very good way to show it. It's not really about the price of the smokes or whether or not they can get them on their own it's about them knowing that someone back here appreciates what they're doing and cares about them.

Bigsmoke I know you were joking in the apprentice thread with the crack about stealing cigars and I sincerely hope you are joking now.

[WOXOF]

They get danger pay. They can buy their own.

That's not the point.

Comb2 check with preembargo. He doesn't post here much but he works with OpFTH.

Very nice of you to do this.

[bigsmoke]

My point is that I work hard for my money. Just because someone decides to go into the military and risk their life for their country does not make that person a hero to me. I live in Canada. We do not have troops in Iraq, but we do have troops in Afghanistan. I do not agree that Canada should have troops there at all. Being Canadian, I will not offer my thoughts on U.S. military activities. We all choose our own paths in life. I do not expect anyone to feel pitty for my personal choices and I don't need others trying to make me feel guilty. Hey, that is as best as I can explain my opinion. Like it or not, it is mine. And money is not the issue here at all. I honestly hope there are no hard feelings.

[john51277]

They get danger pay. They can buy their own.

My point is that I work hard for my money. Just because someone decides to go into the military and risk their life for their country does not make that person a hero to me. I live in Canada. We do not have troops in Iraq, but we do have troops in Afghanistan. I do not agree that Canada should have troops there at all. Being Canadian, I will not offer my thoughts on U.S. military activities. We all choose our own paths in life. I do not expect anyone to feel pitty for my personal choices and I don't need others trying to make me feel guilty. Hey, that is as best as I can explain my opinion. Like it or not, it is mine. And money is not the issue here at all. I honestly hope there are no hard feelings.

Is it just me or does anyone else not care for the ignorance displayed here?????

[JCH]

As a member of the US Army (West Point Cadet) and son of a disabled veteran, I for one want to tell you how much of an ungrateful, naive, idiot you are.

Danger Pay, yes they get it. Unfortunately, that adds to the very little ammount they get to begin with. A good portion of the enlisted population is eligable for Food Stamps.

It isn't about guilt, it's about appreciation.

Less than 1% of the United States is in the Armed Forces. For the sake of argument we will round that up to a whole %.

1% of the nation is doing the work of defending the other 99%, working 15 month tours (recently extended from 12 to 15) and in the near future (from General Casey himself) it will be a 12 n 12 off rotation.

1% is defending 99%. They barely see their families, work on little sleep for little pay, and face death on a regular basis. This isn't about pity, this is about appreciation for that 1% who is selfless enough to put their life on the line for that other 99. This isn't about pity, its about gratitude. It's about appreciation.

This isn't about Iraq or Afghanistan, because the fighting man has no say in where he goes. You want someone to bitch to about the War on Terror, bitch policy makers don't put that blame on the military itself. So what if you don't agree with Canada being in Afghanistan? It is your countrymen fighting and dieing for you and the rest of you Canuks.

Now I'm pretty wound up pretty tight right now. The fact that ignorant pieces of filth like you exist has me shitting Tiffany Cufflinks.

[john51277]

As a member of the US Army (West Point Cadet) and son of a disabled veteran, I for one want to tell you how much of an ungrateful, naive, idiot you are.

Danger Pay, yes they get it. Unfortunately, that adds to the very little ammount they get to begin with. A good portion of the enlisted population is eligable for Food Stamps.

It isn't about guilt, it's about appreciation.

Less than 1% of the United States is in the Armed Forces. For the sake of argument we will round that up to a whole %.

1% of the nation is doing the work of defending the other 99%, working 15 month tours (recently extended from 12 to 15) and in the near future (from General Casey himself) it will be a 12 n 12 off rotation.

1% is defending 99%. They barely see their families, work on little sleep for little pay, and face death on a regular basis. This isn't about pity, this is about appreciation for that 1% who is selfless enough to put their life on the line for that other 99. This isn't about pity, its about gratitude. It's about appreciation.

This isn't about Iraq or Afghanistan, because the fighting man has no say in where he goes. You want someone to bitch to about the War on Terror, bitch policy makers don't put that blame on the military itself. So what if you don't agree with Canada being in Afghanistan? It is your countrymen fighting and dieing for you and the rest of you Canuks.

Now I'm pretty wound up pretty tight right now. The fact that ignorant pieces of filth like you exist has me shitting Tiffany Cufflinks.

Amen to that Brother!!!

[heftysmokes]

Is it just me or does anyone else not care for the ignorance displayed here?????

He has every right to be "ignorant." He has the right to have an opinion, even if it's not the same as yours or mine.

That's why we have dedicated people serving in the Armed Forces, so guys like you and me and Bigsmoke can have different opinions or beliefs.

[john51277]

He has every right to be "ignorant." He has the right to have an opinion, even if it's not the same as yours or mine.

That's why we have dedicated people serving in the Armed Forces, so guys like you and me and Bigsmoke can have different opinions or beliefs.

I don't see it as an opinion. I see it as a great disrespect!!!!

[mauied1101]

He has every right to be "ignorant." He has the right to have an opinion, even if it's not the same as yours or mine.

That's why we have dedicated people serving in the Armed Forces, so guys like you and me and Bigsmoke can have different opinions or beliefs.

He does have a right to be ignorant - but not necessarily on this board. This is a hex-driven, member-moderated board and ignorance, depending on what level, will get your ass lit, if not charred.

And while you're right - our boys and girls are serving so we can express our opinions or beliefs, IMHO we don't disrespect those risking a lot more for an ignorant noob shooting off his mouth.

[WOXOF]

My point is that I work hard for my money. Just because someone decides to go into the military and risk their life for their country does not make that person a hero to me. I live in Canada. We do not have troops in Iraq, but we do have troops in Afghanistan. I do not agree that Canada should have troops there at all. Being Canadian, I will not offer my thoughts on U.S. military activities. We all choose our own paths in life. I do not expect anyone to feel pitty for my personal choices and I don't need others trying to make me feel guilty. Hey, that is as best as I can explain my opinion. Like it or not, it is mine. And money is not the issue here at all.

The issue is that you don't "get it".

I honestly hope there are no hard feelings.

Sure you do. I personally think you're a shit-stirring troll, but that's just my opinion. No hard feelings.

[mauied1101]

we do have troops in Afghanistan. I do not agree that Canada should have troops there at all.

wait... Canada has an army?

Being Canadian, I will not offer my thoughts on U.S. military activities.

then why make the statement at all? your non-statement is in itself a backhanded comment.

We all choose our own paths in life. I do not expect anyone to feel pitty for my personal choices and I don't need others trying to make me feel guilty.

#1 - we don't pity you.
#2 - with decisions on the military - whether WE AMERICANS (and of course, or fellow cross-BOTLs like Newf, Drew, Roham, etc.) agree or disagree with the decisions that lead our GIs in harms way, we support them.

And money is not the issue here at all.

Sure it is - you made a point to bring it up. or did you forget?

I honestly hope there are no hard feelings.

[bigsmoke]

Enough already. The danger pay thing was a bit of a joke, I was just fooling around then this all started and I just wanted to state my beliefs. I don't believe that wars solve anything. I don't want to fight with any of you anymore than I want to go fight in Iraq. Someone made a joke about Canada's military. Does that upset me? Not really, you can insult my country. As a Canadian, I can travel freely abroad with no hassles because of my country of origin. Canada is a great place to live. I visit the United States frequently. I also have many relatives there that are retired servicemen/women. That being said, many of my relatives feel the same way that I do about war. Freely and openly being able to share ideas is a great thing. That is why we all come here to enjoy cigars together. Don't expect me to share all the same feelings about all aspects of life because some of you think I should. If I love Partagas' and some of you guys think they are crap, does that make me an asshole? i hope not. It is just a difference of opinion. I have said before and I will say it again, it sickens me when our Canadian troops die in Afghanistan. I am done commenting on this issue. Like I said before, I did not mean anyone any harm.

[Shagaroo]

does that make me an asshole?

The fact you keep running off at the mouth, then playing the "it was a joke" victim card, is what makes you that.

[ggiese]

As a Canadian, I can travel freely abroad with no hassles because of my country of origin. Canada is a great place to live. I visit the United States frequently. I also have many relatives there that are retired servicemen/women. That being said, many of my relatives feel the same way that I do about war. Freely and openly being able to share ideas is a great thing.

All because the military is guarding your right to do that. And the reason your troops are in Afghanastan is due to a group that would like to take that away from you. Not that you would know any better. After all - "Ignorance is bliss".

That is why we all come here to enjoy cigars together. Don't expect me to share all the same feelings about all aspects of life because some of you think I should. If I love Partagas' and some of you guys think they are crap, does that make me an asshole? i hope not. It is just a difference of opinion.

Well - that would depend. Given the way you've been espousing your beliefs on this board I'd think if you stated an opinion like that you would get a similar reaction. You have such a great way of talking about things.

I am done commenting on this issue. Like I said before, I did not mean anyone any harm.

Clearly you're not done commenting on the issue (given the reaction in this thread, and then you do it again a month later). And it's becoming increasingly clear you do mean harm. Maybe you ought to seriously rethink your strategy...

[mauied1101]

They get danger pay. They can buy their own.

wow, nine words and I can tell that you're an ignorant ass.

popcorn... see how long you last now...

[supergirl]

They get danger pay. They can buy their own.

I'm probably too new to chime in here, but being military...I can't resist.

"I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire

I live by this quote, because it helps make intolerable people more...ummm...errr...tolerable. However, being Canadian, my service doesn't directly affect you. Either way, you are quite entitled to your opinion, as you already know.

There are folks who can watch a commercial about starving children and say something like "They aren't mine, so what do I care?" Insensitive? Yes. But, an opinion nonetheless. I'd speak up if I heard that said, though, and I'd say, "Glad you think that way, but like so many things, there's a time and a place. It isn't now and it's not here."
I don't know enough about CS, yet, to say that in this forum.

I'm really sorry you feel the way you do. I've read everyone else's replies to you and I don't have anymore to add, other than I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you are having to follow your boss' orders (regardless of whether you agree with the orders) and you are repeatedly trashed, blamed, or disrespected by people who either know very little about what you're doing or are too involved in their own lives to care. That's all.

I don't know you, so you can completely ignore me.

[ggiese]

However, being Canadian, my service doesn't directly affect you. Either way, you are quite entitled to your opinion, as you already know.

I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you are having to follow your boss' orders (regardless of whether you agree with the orders) and you are repeatedly trashed, blamed, or disrespected by people who either know very little about what you're doing or are too involved in their own lives to care.

Sorry, you're wrong. In a hearbeat you would follow your bosses orders and defend the Canadian's when they were under attack. As would the full might and power, with every last drop of it's blood - the very military CigarStroke condemns.

And I honestly believe (having spent some time with Canadian soldiers) that they would feel exactly the same way about us (THANK GOD!!!)