SmokinDVM Ban Poll

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Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff

bill.....fyi.......YAWN...aren't your cyber muscles all tired out from your power play that didn't work??.....

....the argument is over...let it go...you have repubs that need your help...go get 'em elected.....i hope they all win...really....

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Why do you have to be such an asshole? What "power play" Sid? Why start in with the smart-assed crap and insults? I really don't understand why you act this way.....

the CC meltdown continues....bill...he's on your side...more sensible...but on your side...

you really need to relax...you're looking silly...

bill...mark will be home a bit later..i'm sure he'll respond...in the meanwhile...relax...


i'm going to listen to some music from the 60's....maybe some kinky friedman and the texas jewboys......good old stuff..

I'm not voting, however I did mention something about this in July...

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Originally Posted by Lopaka

/soapbox

I know I'm going to piss off a few people however, screw it.

All these POS political posts coming on this board have NOTHING to do with cigars. I'm sick of seeing them. You want to post your political view, fine, go find a political board and post your views.

I'll quote Hex..

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Originally Posted by hex1848

I'm not going to go and flat out ban these types of discussion unless they become a major problem. But I do ask that you use your judgment when making these posts. Ask yourself "How will this topic help us grow stronger as a community of Cigar Smokers?". Think before you post. [/COLOR]

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Your political views whether right, left, up, down, over the hen who gives a crap…don't help us grow as a community.

If it helps us grow as a community, please post. However posting something as bait so you can spew your nonsense don't help the boards.

/off soapbox

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Then people responded and said that it's in the right forum.

This was my response.

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Originally Posted by Lopaka

I'm not going to argue whether he is the best or worse. That's not my place. I'll allow the Historians to decide that later. However, last time I check this board is Cigarsmokers.com not letbashbushbecauseIhatehisgutsect.com

None of these political posts have anything to do with Cigars. They don't help the community. I know I'm pissing people off. However, I also know that there are people that are also not happy. If you want to have a political debate...then have one. However, the discussions here are not debates. They are bashing of other members because “they don't like my views and everyone who is a Rep/Con/Right are all neonazi BS.” Debate...then debate. Name calling...that's not a debate. That's 12 year old BS. Don't like my view, fine.

However, I'm the one that's asking what this BOARDS admin is asking...

What does it have to do to better the community.

I'm done.

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And now look where we are. A banning poll. I admit that I almost stop coming to the board because of the all the political BS that was being posted. You may say that it was in the right forum but it did start to spill into some other spots on the boards. I said it once and I say it again...

If you want to have a political debate...then have one. However, the discussions here are not debates. They are bashing of other members because “they don't like my views and everyone who is a Rep/Con/Right are all neonazi BS.” Debate...then debate. Name calling...that's not a debate. That's 12 year old BS.

It's really a shame that we have come to this point on this board all because of one forum. I really wish people would just put down the guns, lite a nice smoke, and relax. I have no doubt that someone is going to bash this post, fine. Bash away.

it seems to be over...except bill isn't done yet....

After what the bay of pigs did for cigars I am wondering why anyone wants to discuss politics on a cigar board, what good can come of it....:smiley27:

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Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff

bill.....fyi.......YAWN...aren't your cyber muscles all tired out from your power play that didn't work??.....

....the argument is over...let it go...you have repubs that need your help...go get 'em elected.....i hope they all win...really....

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Ya won, Sid - Ya won!!!

There - ya feel all better there big guy???

Now - would you get to work on that ban poll for me that you promised...

C'mon, Sid - ya know you want to do it - go get 'em tiger... :smiley2:

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Originally Posted by Lopaka

I'm not voting, however I did mention something about this in July...



Then people responded and said that it's in the right forum.

This was my response.



And now look where we are. A banning poll. I admit that I almost stop coming to the board because of the all the political BS that was being posted. You may say that it was in the right forum but it did start to spill into some other spots on the boards. I said it once and I say it again...

If you want to have a political debate...then have one. However, the discussions here are not debates. They are bashing of other members because “they don't like my views and everyone who is a Rep/Con/Right are all neonazi BS.” Debate...then debate. Name calling...that's not a debate. That's 12 year old BS.

It's really a shame that we have come to this point on this board all because of one forum. I really wish people would just put down the guns, lite a nice smoke, and relax. I have no doubt that someone is going to bash this post, fine. Bash away.

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I like the post.

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Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff

it seems to be over...except bill isn't done yet....

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You think it's over, Sid? Why - because you SAY it's over? :smiley36:

Yep - you da man, Sid - you da man!!! :smiley20:

Should I shut up now - so you don't start a ban poll for me? What - you skeered, Sid?? C'mon - you know you wanna... :smiley2:

Interesting that we have a number of members that aren't voting in this - the ones who really matter most to this board.

What's the message in that? :smiley2:

If you really want to see who causes the biggest problems on CS, you only have to read back through this ban poll thread and ask yourself a couple of questions...

Who really asked for the ban poll? Gee, that's a tough one.:smiley2:

Who just can't seem to let this all go? Again, a real toughy. :smiley2: (hint; answer relates to the first question)

What two bm's (that's board members, don't get yer panties all bunched :smiley2: ) were only able to recruit one other bm to vote with them, and who was it? Jeez, the questions just keep getting tougher and tougher. :smiley2: :smiley36:

What do you think the message is in that?

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Originally Posted by cigar no baka

You didn't answer my question.

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I have answered your question over and over. But let me try again. It doesn't bother me. So has the board gotten worse? better? stayed the same? Well now, I have seen this stuff come and go. It's current state is one of agitation. but it will go away. This is apparantly something you want to fight about. I am advocating that everyone just try to remember that you used to like each other for various reasons. That's all. I'm not getting into the fray here. I've stated over and over that I don't think anyone is an asshole. I am pointing out the futility of your (and others') attempt to win an unwinable argument. It doesn't bother me so for me there is nothing to take sides on. Does that answer your question, Bill?

Let me put it in a way that perhaps you might relate to...

It takes at least 2 to fight. Everybody shut the fuck up and see what happens.

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Shut the fuck up and see what happens.

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:smiley32: well said,mark...well said!!!

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

If you review Barry's posts in his exchanges with me over the past few days you will find that your statement is not true.

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When you throw gasoline on a file it doesn't go out.

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

You can't be serious with this post are you? ...

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Now why would I post it if I didn't believe it, Bill

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Originally Posted by Shelby07

When you throw gasoline on a file it doesn't go out.

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On a "file" :smiley5:

Shelby, you stated something that was not true and I corrected you.

edit: cc beat me to it:smiley36:

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

On a "file" :smiley5:

Shelby, you stated something that was not true and I corrected you.

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Bill, When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I freely admit it. Ya got me! - I'm an old programmer. The muscle memory types out "file" very easily.

Let me try again

"When you throw gasoline on a fire it doesn't go out."

So, just in case you didn't get it, quit trying to put the fire out with gasoline while you're complaining that it's flairing up.

As for my stating something that was not true... whose truth are we talking about here? Yours or mine. They are opinions. Last I heard, you can't "correct" an opinion with another opinion.

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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

If you really want to see who causes the biggest problems on CS, you only have to read back through this ban poll thread and ask yourself a couple of questions...

Who really asked for the ban poll? Gee, that's a tough one.:smiley2:

Who just can't seem to let this all go? Again, a real toughy. :smiley2: (hint; answer relates to the first question)

What two bm's (that's board members, don't get yer panties all bunched :smiley2: ) were only able to recruit one other bm to vote with them, and who was it? Jeez, the questions just keep getting tougher and tougher. :smiley2: :smiley36:

What do you think the message is in that?

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"Several" members asked for the ban poll Barry, don't lie like you usually do.

George and I didn't "recruit" or try and influence anyone via phone calls, emails or PMs to vote in this ban poll. I would bet the same thing can't be said about you and Sid but no one cares anyway.

You two continue to show the audience assembled how infantile and immature the both of you are which shocks me.

George made a very interesting point:

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Interesting that we have a number of members that aren't voting in this - the ones who really matter most to this board.

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Whether you like it or not Barry, there is indeed a "message" there.:smiley2:

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Originally Posted by Shelby07

Bill, When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I freely admit it. Ya got me! - I'm an old programmer. The muscle memory types out "file" very easily.

Let me try again

"When you throw gasoline on a fire it doesn't go out."

So, just in case you didn't get it, quit trying to put the fire out with gasoline while you're complaining that it's flairing up.

As for my stating something that was not true... whose truth are we talking about here? Yours or mine. They are opinions. Last I heard, you can't "correct" an opinion with another opinion.

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Shelby, where am I "complaining that it's flairing (sic) up?" Please don't accuse me of something I did not say. What is it with you? BTW, the "(sic)" means you spelled "flaring" wrong.:smiley2:

You stated that Barry has "toned" it down and that is clearly not true if you had looked at his exchanges with me over the past couple of days. If you want to split hairs on the differences between opinion and fact go right ahead but I can guarantee you that a disinterested third party would not draw the same conclusion you did. Did you really read all of Barry's posts over the past couple of days in his exchanges with me? My guess is that you didn't and just shot from the hip and wrongfully concluded that he had "toned it down" when in fact the truth is just the opposite, he was very nasty. Do you consider his action of having an avatar with a gun to a kitten's head and the words "die" to be "toning it down?" He started with that BS only three days ago. That's a fact Shelby, not an opinion.

so what high school does everybody go to?

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

"Several" members asked for the ban poll Barry, don't lie like you usually do.

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I simply asked a question, but you really are suspiciously defensive. :smiley29:

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

George and I didn't "recruit" or try and influence anyone via phone calls, emails or PMs to vote in this ban poll. I would bet the same thing can't be said about you and Sid but no one cares anyway.

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How much? Got any proof, or are you just speculating as usual?

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

You two continue to show the audience assembled how infantile and immature the both of you are which shocks me.

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Do you really think people can't see you for what you really are? :smiley36:

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

George made a very interesting point:


Whether you like it or not Barry, there is indeed a "message" there.:smiley2:

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There is indeed a message there. Possibly that they weren't interested in helping you with your little hissy fit. Face it...16, 2, 1...not even close. It's time to stop whining now.

And btw, that avatar was up for less than 24hrs. Stop exaggerating like some drama queen, you're boring all of us.

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Originally Posted by chefchris

so what high school does everybody go to?

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More like "which detention center". :smiley2:

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

Shelby, where am I "complaining that it's flairing (sic) up?" Please don't accuse me of something I did not say. What is it with you? BTW, the "(sic)" means you spelled "flaring" wrong.:smiley2:

You stated that Barry has "toned" it down and that is clearly not true if you had looked at his exchanges with me over the past couple of days. If you want to split hairs on the differences between opinion and fact...

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Split hairs between opinion and fact? Heavens, let's not discuss that! Let's just intermingle them. If we're gonna split hairs, let's do it on something important like spelling and grammatical errors. We certainly wouldn't want to try to differentiate between my OPINIONS and your FACTS!

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...go right ahead but I can guarantee you that a disinterested third party would not draw the same conclusion you did. Did you really read all of Barry's posts over the past couple of days in his exchanges with me? My guess is that you didn't and just shot from the hip and wrongfully concluded that he had "toned it down" when in fact the truth is just the opposite, he was very nasty. Do you consider his action of having an avatar with a gun to a kitten's head and the words "die" to be "toning it down?" He started with that BS only three days ago. That's a fact Shelby, not an opinion.

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Again, Bill, these are your facts. I see it a bit differently - In my OPINION, Barry had toned things down quite a bit, and in my OPINION he has come at you in the past few days, and in my OPINION he has done so because, in my OPINION, you refuse to let things die, and in my OPINION you don't want to let things die, and in my OPINION you are as much a part of the problem as anybody else and in my OPINION if you pipe down a little, so would he, but in my OPINION we won't know for a while, because in my OPINION you ain't gonna pipe down.

Does that make you factual and me opinionated?

FACT! between the time I left for work this morning you have posted 4 TIMES AS MUCH AS BARRY. In fact, Barry's part in this thread has become quite minimal. Now you seem intent on correcting MY opinions with YOUR "facts."

OPINION: People are reading this thread for amusement, not education. You aren't winning anybody over.

Oh, and for your amusement, find the misspeeled word!

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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

I simply asked a question, but you really are suspiciously defensive. :smiley29:

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And I provided you with the obvious answer, "several." How is that being "suspiciously defensive?"

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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

And btw, that avatar was up for less than 24hrs. Stop exaggerating like some drama queen, you're boring all of us.

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What am I "exaggerating" about? Shelby said you toned it down, I stated the truth which is that you posted an avatar of a kitten with a gun to his head with the words "die" which clearly refutes his claim that you had "toned it down." On the contrary, this supports my claim that you had NOT "toned it down" but had actually done exactly the opposite by posting that avatar AFTER shelby claims you "toned it down." The fact that is was "up for less than 24 hrs" is irrelevant Barry.:smiley29: The fact that you put up such an avatar like that for any length of time yesterday is proof positive that you DID NOT "tone it down" as Shelby wrongly stated you did.

There is absolutely no need for your "drama queen" comment or your snide "you're boring all of us" comment as you certainlly don't speak for "all of us" here Barry, far from it.

It's quite obvious you don't like it when I post the truth in a calm and respectful manner especially when I catch one of your "boys" (shelby) in a lie.

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Originally Posted by chefchris

so what high school does everybody go to?

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Ah... Chris... forever the peacemaker :smiley2:

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

...It's quite obvious you don't like it when I post the truth in a calm and respectful manner especially when I catch one of your "boys" (shelby) in a lie.

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WOW. Bill is now calling me a LIAR!!

Ah has... Ah say... Ah has arrived!


Edit: I guess since Bill says so, it must be FACT! Oh, the shame of it all. How WILL I ever bear the weight???

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Originally Posted by Shelby07

Split hairs between opinion and fact? Heavens, let's not discuss that! Let's just intermingle them. If we're gonna split hairs, let's do it on something important like spelling and grammatical errors. We certainly wouldn't want to try to differentiate between my OPINIONS and your FACTS!




Again, Bill, these are your facts. I see it a bit differently - In my OPINION, Barry had toned things down quite a bit, and in my OPINION he has come at you in the past few days, and in my OPINION he has done so because, in my OPINION, you refuse to let things die, and in my OPINION you don't want to let things die, and in my OPINION you are as much a part of the problem as anybody else and in my OPINION if you pipe down a little, so would he, but in my OPINION we won't know for a while, because in my OPINION you ain't gonna pipe down.

Does that make you factual and me opinionated?

FACT! between the time I left for work this morning you have posted 4 TIMES AS MUCH AS BARRY. In fact, Barry's part in this thread has become quite minimal. Now you seem intent on correcting MY opinions with YOUR "facts."

OPINION: People are reading this thread for amusement, not education. You aren't winning anybody over.

Oh, and for your amusement, find the misspeeled word!

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I'm not trying to "win anyone over" you asswipe, you made a pretty stupid statement and you don't like the fact that you're wrong. I may not be winning anyone over but you're only harming yourself with your antics here.

If you don't like being criticized for being wrong, then stop being wrong.

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Originally Posted by Shelby07

WOW. Bill is now calling me a LIAR!!

Ah has... Ah say... Ah has arrived!


Edit: I guess since Bill says so, it must be FACT! Oh, the shame of it all. How WILL I ever bear the weight???

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Can you please translate what I highlighted in bold into English?

Thanks....:smiley24:

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Originally Posted by ggiese

Interesting that we have a number of members that aren't voting in this - the ones who really matter most to this board.

What's the message in that? :smiley2:

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George, what does this say about the 19 people who did vote (and remember you cast your ballot too)?
The guys who pointed out that they would refrain from voting (K7, NH, Lopaka) are all great guys who have my respect. I know they aren't the only ones who abstained from voting but they stated publicly why they weren't. My favorite reason is from K7, "I didnt vote just to show I dont give a fuck about this whole bunch of shit."
Anyway, each one of the non-voters listed has made a point to treat me decently during my time here. However, I would never say that they are more or less valuable to this board than the guys that did vote: guys like Sarge, SLC, BPP, CgarDan, Roham, Newf, and Drew have been extremely generous and gracious brothers, not only to me but to a lot of other newb's who have came and stayed. And George, you were the first person on this board from whom I ever received a package. You've probably sent out enough packages that you forgot you even mailed one my way, but it made a lasting impression on me. It was the first lesson I had on how to be a BOTL.



I'm not for or against anybody at this point. What upsets me is I was under the impression that GG, CC, and BPP used to be pretty good friends. Hell, maybe they still are and they're PMing each other having a good laugh about this...I kinda hope so.
But regardless of who is or isn't friends anymore, can we please, for the love of Pete, bury this corpse? It's really putting out an awful stink.


Aw, fuck it. Maybe I should just follow K7's lead.


And I'd like to apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors above. Even an English teacher can fuck up.

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

Can you please translate what I highlighted in bold into English?

Thanks....:smiley24:

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No Problem. Back when I was a kid there was a Warner Brothers cartoon character named Foghorn Leghorn He spoke in a very uneducated southern drawl and usually started his sentences with a couple of words, a pause, then "I say", then he would repeat the words again and finish his sentence. Something like

"Son, ah believe... ah say... Ah believe there's a chicken in the hen house!"

The translation would be

"I have... I say... I have arrived!"

meaning simply that the name calling has begun.
So far, I am a liar and an asswipe.

I HAVE ARRIVED!!

Hefty, you are absolutely right. They are all great guys. This whole thread has been absurd. I was simply attempting to magnifying the absurdity. But I am beginning to wonder about Bill. I don't think I did anything but disagree with him. Yet because of that I am now a liar, an asswipe and one of Barry's boys.

Watch out Shelby07, if you're not careful you'll soon have "several"(translation=2) people asking for a ban poll on you. :smiley36:

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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

Watch out Shelby07, if you're not careful you'll soon have "several"(translation=2) people asking for a ban poll on you. :smiley36:

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Hey Barry -

(and I NEVER thought I'd be asking this...)

Can I count on your vote? :smiley36: :smiley36: :smiley36:

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Originally Posted by Shelby07

Hey Barry -

(and I NEVER thought I'd be asking this...)

Can I count on your vote? :smiley36: :smiley36: :smiley36:

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Ah believe... I say... I believe you can. :smiley36: :smiley36:

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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

Ah believe... I say... I believe you can. :smiley36: :smiley36:

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:smiley36:

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Originally Posted by Shelby07

Hefty, you are absolutely right. They are all great guys. This whole thread has been absurd. I was simply attempting to magnifying the absurdity. But I am beginning to wonder about Bill. I don't think I did anything but disagree with him. Yet because of that I am now a liar, an asswipe and one of Barry's boys.

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Well, there's what you think and what you actually did which are two very different things. But of course you refuse to see it that way.

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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

Watch out Shelby07, if you're not careful you'll soon have "several"(translation=2) people asking for a ban poll on you. :smiley36:

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Well Barry, you'll have to take that up with hex, "several" was his word, not mine. Please don't distort the truth with your usual bullshit.

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

Well, there's what you think and what you actually did which are two very different things. But of course you refuse to see it that way.

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...sigh...

I think I'm gonna end this. In the words of the Borg...

"Resistance is futile!"

...or more appropriately, the great Yogi Berra

"How can you think and hit at the same time?"

Goodnight Gracie.

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

"Several" members asked for the ban poll Barry, don't lie like you usually do.

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By calling me a liar, you are inferring that you know the exact number of ban requestees. If you don't know, why are you acting like you do, by calling me a liar?

You don't really have to answer that, I already know why.:smiley29: