The Official World Wide Peace Pass of '08 Thread

[Taz]

OK Puts
Cohiba Robusto ISOM
Oliva V Torpedo
Olivia V Lancero
Flor de Cano ISOM
Anejo 55
Illusino cg:4
Aurora 100 Anos
Takes
14
11
19
25
23
5
Going out in the morning

[slcraiders]

Hey, Taz. Slow down a bit and let Roham approve before you send off. Notice the other posts before people sent? No offense, but unless I am missing something, I do not see anything in your puts in the same price range as the Gold Medal. That just jumped off the page. Did you do a stick by stick comparison?

[Roham]

Ya, it'd probably be easier if you do a stick by stick. I don't know where to start in that list. And if you could write the names of the takes instead of the numbers I won't have to do so much flipping around too

[Taz]

Hey, Taz. Slow down a bit and let Roham approve before you send off. Notice the other posts before people sent? No offense, but unless I am missing something, I do not see anything in your puts in the same price range as the Gold Medal. That just jumped off the page. Did you do a stick by stick comparison?

Sorry, I did not know that so I will do a stick by stick, by the way the Cohiba, Anejoa 55, Aurora all run more then thed Gold. I also tried to add some sticks that are hard to impolssible to find.

[Taz]

OK Puts
Cohiba Robusto ISOM $23
Oliva V Torpedo $8
Olivia V Lancero $6
Flor de Cano ISOM $7
Anejo 55 $30
Illusino cg:4 $7
Aurora 100 Anos $18
Total $99
Takes
Bolivar Gold Medal ISOM $18
Zino Platinum Stout $15
Partagas Corona ISOM $11

Romeo y Julieta Lot 96 Series B 10th Anni $8
Cao Anni Cameroon Torpedo $8
PSD4 isom $14
Total $88
Going out in the morning

I just did a quick search at the common sites so I am sure you could find them higher or lower, Except for the Anejo #55 which you can not find and at Auction right now $30 would be a good price. And Like I said I also Tried to put in sticks that are hard to impossible to find. Thought some might enjoy tring them if they have not.
Roham but If you feel I fell short just let me know I was actually trying to give more then I took. If so I already mailed I will resend more, I was going on vaction today and wanted to get them out.
Let me know Don

[Roham]

I just did a quick search at the common sites so I am sure you could find them higher or lower, Except for the Anejo #55 which you can not find and at Auction right now $30 would be a good price. And Like I said I also Tried to put in sticks that are hard to impossible to find. Thought some might enjoy tring them if they have not.
Roham but If you feel I fell short just let me know I was actually trying to give more then I took. If so I already mailed I will resend more, I was going on vaction today and wanted to get them out.
Let me know Don

Looks Ok to me. Hope you have a good vacation!!

[slcraiders]

I just did a quick search at the common sites so I am sure you could find them higher or lower, Except for the Anejo #55 which you can not find and at Auction right now $30 would be a good price. And Like I said I also Tried to put in sticks that are hard to impossible to find. Thought some might enjoy tring them if they have not.
Roham but If you feel I fell short just let me know I was actually trying to give more then I took. If so I already mailed I will resend more, I was going on vaction today and wanted to get them out.
Let me know Don

Don,

Thanks for the repost. Just to be clear, I am not implying that you are trying to pull anything over or short-change the pass. I felt your post was rushed allowing no time for a review/o.k. If Roham is cool, then you are golden.

Please understand that stick value is usually determined by MSRP (box price divided by the number of cigars in the box). The Anejo runs no more that $10 MSRP and is not necessarily hard/impossible to find. I would not spend $30 on one- nor would I put in a $30 cigar to trade for it in a pass. The rest of your prices are a bit off as well. For example, the Cohiba Robusto is a $15 stick and the Aurora would go for about the same and that is for the priciest vitola for that blend. You do not indicate a size in your 'puts' listing.

Again, no hard feelings. I know your intentions are good and that is all that matters in the spirit of a pass. Enjoy your vacation

[BigMacFU]

I'm ready Taz!

[basil]

I dunno ya'll. This is exactly the reason why noobs shouldn't be allowed in passes until they have some experience on the board, are familiar with general rules, and have earned some cred. This guy has cigar prices and pass protocol totally fucked up. Based on his actions in this pass, I would never be in a trade/pass with Taz. Ya'll can be cool with it. I'm not.

To sharpen the point:

Top25 has shitty reviews, but the MSRPs there are fairly reliable. Checking there reveals

There are several Cohiba robustos and none of them MSRPs for $23.
The Olivas are accurate.
His Aurora is over-priced
The 55 is ludicrously over-priced.

I didn't check the rest.

But, mailing them before a green light from Roham was straight up bullshit.

[BigMacFU]

I dunno ya'll. This is exactly the reason why noobs shouldn't be allowed in passes until they have some experience on the board, are familiar with general rules, and have earned some cred. This guy has cigar prices and pass protocol totally fucked up. Based on his actions in this pass, I would never be in a trade/pass with Taz. Ya'll can be cool with it. I'm not.

To sharpen the point:

Top25 has shitty reviews, but the MSRPs there are fairly reliable. Checking there reveals

There are several Cohiba robustos and none of them MSRPs for $23.
The Olivas are accurate.
His Aurora is over-priced
The 55 is ludicrously over-priced.

I didn't check the rest.

But, mailing them before a green light from Roham was straight up bullshit.

I have to agree with Basil on this one. Even if the values ended up being where they should be, without a confirmation, nothing should leave if those are pass rules. If confirmation occurred in some other way, say via phone, fine, we don't all need to see it.

I also understand not wanting to sit on a pass because of vacation, but if it's going to be that close of a call, you just say, skip me and come back at the end, or just skip me altogether.

As a reminder, rarity vs. value doesn't compute except in the extremes. If you're pulling out a RyJ 1994 ISOM which technically has a 10.00 MSRP, then no doubt it is worth more than that since it is impossible to attain such a cigar for 10 bucks. But with the Fuente, Padron, Tat stuff, it just isn't rare enough (with the exception of the uncommon lines of Opus and Hemingway). Value must always be met in the common cases, regardless of rarity.

[basil]

And another word about MSRP - Often times, the MSRP that is published is higher, sometimes much higher, than what the cigar can be had for consistently. So, one can't always use MSRP to price a cigar in a pass; saying that cigar X is worth $12 MSRP when that cigar can be bought for $8 online or in any B&M anytime is dishonest.

[basil]

OK Puts
Cohiba Robusto ISOM
Oliva V Torpedo
Olivia V Lancero
Flor de Cano ISOM
Anejo 55
Illusino cg:4
Aurora 100 Anos
Takes
14
11
19
25
23
5
Going out in the morning

While we have this fuckhead on the rack . . . tAzzwipe, in passes it is a generally accepted, unwritten rule that isom swaps for isom, unless you have express permission to do otherwise after an explicit request for same, before you put it in the mail, go on vacation, the dog eats them, the sun gets in your eyes, or whatever; and your 7:6 ratio won't wash either. I can't imagine what kind of "gentlemanly" passes you've participated in that left you with the impression that you can disregard protocol - written, unwritten, good will, or otherwise.

[Roham]

Looks A Ok!!!! Send 'er off when you have time!!

[slcraiders]

While we have this fuckhead on the rack . . . tAzzwipe, in passes it is a generally accepted, unwritten rule that isom swaps for isom, unless you have express permission to do otherwise after an explicit request for same, before you put it in the mail, go on vacation, the dog eats them, the sun gets in your eyes, or whatever; and your 7:6 ratio won't wash either. I can't imagine what kind of "gentlemanly" passes you've participated in that left you with the impression that you can disregard protocol - written, unwritten, good will, or otherwise.

nks

Ted, Thanks for posting this. I knew some passes specified ISOM for ISOM, but was not aware of the unwritten rule. Makes sense though because now that I think of it, that is usually how the those end up being swapped out- duh. I broke this rule earlier in this pass and apologize. now I know...

[heftysmokes]

Actually guys, Roham okayed a isom/non-isom swap for Spiffykyle.

Of course Spiffy asked first, and also got approval on all his trades before sending out.

[Bassfever]

The line up is:

1. Fuente Opus X Super Belicoso
2. Tat black
3. Gurkha Puro B;k
4. Don Carlos 2005 Robusto God Of Fire
5. Liga Privada
6. LFD Mysterio
7. VSG Robusto
8.Gurkha Symphony
9. Fonseca Matasa 30 anniversary
10. Partagas Short ISOM
11. Oliva V Torpedo
12. LFD Vitola Camroon Cabnet
13. Camacho Libetrty 06
14. Cohiba Robusto ISOM
15. Diamond Crown Maximus Churchill #2
16. Padron 3000 Maduro
17. Cuesta Rey Stanford's Cameroon Reserve
18. Don Kiki Brown Label Figurado
19. Olivia V Lancero
20. La Aurora Preferido 1495 series
21. Perdomo 1991 Vintage esv Regente
22. Cao Anni Maduro Torpedo
23. Anejo 55
24. Don Tomas Allegro
25 Flor de Cano ISOM
26. San Pedro Cubana
27. Montecristo Afrique Jambo Jambo
28. Gurkha X Fuerte
29. CAO Brazilia Gol!
30. Oliva O Churchill
31. Illusione 68
32. Trinidad Robusto
33. 5 Vegas Torp
34. Camacho SLR Maduro
35. Vegas Gold #1
36. Aurora 100 Anos
37. Illusione M7
38. RP ITC 10th
39. AVO Domaine #50
40. Johnny-O Dark Wrapper Pigtail Lancero ($7.20)
41. Por Larrañaga Panetela
42.RP Edge


Tyler it will hit you tomorrow 1Z0Y6V920392761826

[BigMacFU]

Did you keep those cigars in numerical order? If not, I'm going to have to go Boston Sports Fan on you and riot and beat you.

[nhcigarfan]

Ok. I'm going to put

a banana backwoods (vintage 2004 - sweetness)
a roly (super rare Roly corona, only made a few tens of thousands of bundles)
a yellow and black banded Cohiba (with primo dom. filler)
a toe nail cliping
and some lent from my belly button.


Takes.
1. Fuente Opus X Super Belicoso
2. Tat black
3. Gurkha Puro B;k
4. Don Carlos 2005 Robusto God Of Fire
5. Liga Privada
6. LFD Mysterio
7. VSG Robusto
8.Gurkha Symphony
9. Fonseca Matasa 30 anniversary
10. Partagas Short ISOM
11. Oliva V Torpedo
12. LFD Vitola Camroon Cabnet
13. Camacho Libetrty 06
14. Cohiba Robusto ISOM
15. Diamond Crown Maximus Churchill #2
16. Padron 3000 Maduro
17. Cuesta Rey Stanford's Cameroon Reserve
18. Don Kiki Brown Label Figurado
19. Olivia V Lancero
20. La Aurora Preferido 1495 series
21. Perdomo 1991 Vintage esv Regente
22. Cao Anni Maduro Torpedo
23. Anejo 55
24. Don Tomas Allegro
25 Flor de Cano ISOM
26. San Pedro Cubana
27. Montecristo Afrique Jambo Jambo
28. Gurkha X Fuerte
29. CAO Brazilia Gol!
30. Oliva O Churchill
31. Illusione 68
32. Trinidad Robusto
33. 5 Vegas Torp
34. Camacho SLR Maduro
35. Vegas Gold #1
36. Aurora 100 Anos
37. Illusione M7
38. RP ITC 10th
39. AVO Domaine #50
40. Johnny-O Dark Wrapper Pigtail Lancero ($7.20)
41. Por Larrañaga Panetela


If this is cool I'll just send my end today and wait on the box from Bassfever.

[Bassfever]

Did you keep those cigars in numerical order? If not, I'm going to have to go Boston Sports Fan on you and riot and beat you.

I replaced my takes with my puts so the only number that changed was what I took which now has the new cigar listed. And what are you going to do video tape me