War after war, whether is new one? HISTORY REPEATS

[Cohibanut]

And there was me thinking that the main reason for going to war was the “very real” threat of weapons of mass destruction!

It looks like, in fact, it wasn't at all. It was a chivalric and utterly selfless rescue of a people oppressed by an evil regime!

Each night, on CNN, we can witness the success this campaign by counting the dead.

[Oleg281]

England with the out-of-date antinational form of the board, being
in a precritical condition, being nuclear empire, represents
the basic danger to the world from itself.
Danger is represented also by the foreign policy of England, loosening
the peace relations, developing and aggravating political conflicts.
Before disarmament of England, with a purpose of prevention of occurrence armed
conflicts provoked by England, it is necessary to consider England as a possible aggressor.
It is necessary to conduct defending policy as protection against English colonialism
and to redirect weapons from politically illiterate conductors of war
to their source. England should know that it will not avoid responsibility any more
for kindling of war and for colonization. Disarmament of England
and transfering all authority to democratic bodies would remove military
intensity in the world.

[Cohibanut]

You're just off your F trolley mate.

[Oleg281]

Main principles of English democratic colonization which invaders of Iraq follow by, Hitler sounded 64 years ago.
" We shall declare, that we are compelled to occupy, operate and pacify, that it is done for the sake of the population; that we provide order, communications, feed. We should represent ourselves as liberators. Nobody should guess, that we prepare the final order, but it will not prevent us to take to necessary measures - to send from the country, to shoot - and these measures we shall accept. We shall operate as if we here only temporarily ".
After S.Husejn disarmed the country, and democratic colonialists occupied Iraq, Iraq insurgents use the remained means of conducting emancipating war - terror for emancipating the country.
Democratic colonization goes to a counterbalance to own development of the countries of Asia.
Using natural aspiration of people to an establishment of a free society,
and backwardness of system of the state and local management, before occupation, democratic colonialists aggravate contradictions arising on this way, collide a society together to irreconcilable opposition.

[labmonkey]

Main principles of English democratic colonization which invaders of Iraq follow by, Hitler sounded 64 years ago.
" We shall declare, that we are compelled to occupy, operate and pacify, that it is done for the sake of the population; that we provide order, communications, feed. We should represent ourselves as liberators. Nobody should guess, that we prepare the final order, but it will not prevent us to take to necessary measures - to send from the country, to shoot - and these measures we shall accept. We shall operate as if we here only temporarily ".
After S.Husejn disarmed the country, and democratic colonialists occupied Iraq, Iraq insurgents use the remained means of conducting emancipating war - terror for emancipating the country.
Democratic colonization goes to a counterbalance to own development of the countries of Asia.
Using natural aspiration of people to an establishment of a free society,
and backwardness of system of the state and local management, before occupation, democratic colonialists aggravate contradictions arising on this way, collide a society together to irreconcilable opposition.

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[Oleg281]

Similarities are not present, except for:

1. In opinion of London in Sudetes in 1938 human rights were broken,
and Czechoslovakia threatened the peace in the Europe.
In opinion of London in Iraq in 2003 human rights were broken,
and Iraq threatened safety in the world.
2. London lobbied occupation of Sudetes in 1938 and Iraq in 2003.
3. Military force in these operations is assigned to the most armed countries
during corresponding times.
4. Sudetes and Iraq had become the important strategic and raw resource.
5. London shifts the responsibility for occupation on the countries-allies.
Attitudes before the allied countries change.
The policy becomes internal matter.

As well as 64 years ago a priority policy of London is a struggle for
human rights in the East.

Does similarity comes to an end on this?

[Oleg281]

With strengthening a role of England in Asia and colonization of Iraq, the question about restoration the status of democratic Hong Kong and an aggravation of contradictions between London and Pekin rises. China a developing socialist country having complex times of perfection of a control system. England – country with aspiration of restoration of colonialism in the form of democratic and military-political in АPR. The greatest danger is represented with idea of profascist disinformation by London and presence of nuclear weapon in London.

[the ox]

And there was me thinking that the main reason for going to war was the “very real” threat of weapons of mass destruction!

It looks like, in fact, it wasn't at all. It was a chivalric and utterly selfless rescue of a people oppressed by an evil regime!

Each night, on CNN, we can witness the success this campaign by counting the dead.

Yeah and we can also witness the success of this campaign by counting the thousand upon thousands of innocent men women and children whose lives have been spared because our boys have destroyed the evil regime.

[Cohibanut]

I've only got one question for you:

What was the official basis (or reason stated) upon which the entire war was started?




(Clue: Where are they?)

[the ox]

Sure Im gonna admit no WOMD have been found yet. But this had to be done and should have been done during the Clinton years to save all those people from tyranny. No one else would. This was and is a war for one thing....Freedom...Freedom against oppression and terroristic rule. WOMD may have been a excuse but the main bad guy is gone,millions are saved. Now then I do believe it is time however to bring the troops home and let the new democracy pick up the pieces and begin life anew.

[Cohibanut]

I agree with you that SH was a dictator and yes I agree that the people of Irac are better off without him.

What I do not buy is the way this war was sold to us.

First of all it was sold on the basis that SH did have some WMD and that they were a direct threat to the US. Wrong.

Secondly it was sold on the basis that the world as a whole would be safer without SH. Wrong. Terrorists are now stronger than ever due to the bad publicity this war has triggered.

I have always maintained and probably always will, that this war should have been fought under the flag of the UN. NOT by the US, UK and the other couple of countries who decided to join in.

I would have backed it under the UN as a consensus agreed by most countries in the world. The major problem was that the case for WMD was never made clear and unequivocal.


PS: Damn! You're up early! I'ts 12.05 here in London but I see you wrote at 5.33 am!!! You must love cigars so much that you log on in the middle of the night!

Can't blame you though. This is a great site.

[the ox]

I work from 10pm to 6am so when I have a weekend off I usually stay up all night just like at work and sleep during the day.

[Cohibanut]

Well sir, it's a pleasure to have a civil debate with someone who prefers sharing ideas and opinions as opposed to engaging in antagonisic banter!

[Shagaroo]

What was the official basis (or reason stated) upon which the entire war was started?

(Clue: Where are they?)

pssst... There was more than one reason. But just for the fun of it, even the democrats, for years and years, told us all Sadman had WMDs. Of course it was usually right after Billary had just blown up a milk factory to get attention away from whichever piece of ass he just got caught with. Why is it that when Bush finally did something about the possible WMDs, and the many other reasons, people get their underroos in a bunch and try to pretend like Bush just came outa nowhere and just made this up on the spot?

Seems to me about 15 years worth of dems AND repubs should take the blame for being wrong about the WMDs.

[Oleg281]

Emancipating movement of provinces against England is connected with colonial
form of board in Mother country.
The English democracy which arisen in 13 century as the form of colonial board
served interests of barons and peers, in modern England - to the same noblemen.
Provinces are practically as dominions and protectorates. Struggle of English
provinces is conducted for free participation in government against
limited democracy.
Development of English democratic colonization threatens also to safety
of the world. The state with the out-of-date form of board where the lie can
become the reason of war should not have the nuclear weapon.

[Cohibanut]

Oh God. Not you again. Forget my comment about good manners and antagonism.

[labmonkey]

Emancipating movement of provinces against England is connected with colonial
form of board in Mother country.
The English democracy which arisen in 13 century as the form of colonial board
served interests of barons and peers, in modern England - to the same noblemen.
Provinces are practically as dominions and protectorates. Struggle of English
provinces is conducted for free participation in government against
limited democracy.
Development of English democratic colonization threatens also to safety
of the world. The state with the out-of-date form of board where the lie can
become the reason of war should not have the nuclear weapon.

STFU!!!!!!


Hex, please get rid of this guy.....not because of his political views, or his obvious problems with the english language, or his questionable resources...


ban him because his posts are useless, never once has he engaged in ANY cigar thread, and he does not read any posts directed at him. This is essentially SPAM in my opinion, and should be treated as such....he has no urge to DISCUSS his political views, he only wishes to drop whatever propaganda he chooses for the day and leave to whatever other forums he does the same thing to.

I'll start a Poll on this if I have to!!!

[reaganyouth84]

Emancipating movement of provinces against England is connected with colonial
form of board in Mother country.
The English democracy which arisen in 13 century as the form of colonial board
served interests of barons and peers, in modern England - to the same noblemen.
Provinces are practically as dominions and protectorates. Struggle of English
provinces is conducted for free participation in government against
limited democracy.
Development of English democratic colonization threatens also to safety
of the world. The state with the out-of-date form of board where the lie can
become the reason of war should not have the nuclear weapon.

Hey, Oleg do this
-Mike

[Oleg281]

What form of partition of the world constant membership in Secutiry council of the United
nations has? Constant membership should be replaced to elective.
How the Secutiry council of the United Nations can affect an aggressive policy of
monarchic authority of England possessing the nuclear weapon?
England as discredited country by colonial policy
and by occupation of Iraq should be excluded from Secutiry council of the United Nations and to become state without weapon.

After attack to London, the policy of democratic colonization
in Iraq should have weaken, but it has not occured.
As politician Tony Blair does not consider that bears the personal responsibility for occupation of Iraq because idea of colonialism is inspired by the queen Elizabeth II?