Cohiba Espledidos Authentic Cigars in Sealed Box

[cigarsarge]

I am not whining, I am simply refuting claims that I am 1) selling Counterfeit cigars 2) not in posession of the cigars 3) or that I am trying to swindle anybody.

I assume your perception that I am trying to swindle forum members is based on your evaluation of the pictures where you have in fact determined these are counterfeit?

Are you an expert on Cohibas? If so, enlighten us with your expert opinon as to what in particular in the picture is inauthentic compared to how genuine Cohibas are packaged.

As I have stated previously, the cigars pictured were sold to me as Cohiba Esplendidos in Cuba. Even if they were inauthentic, I am asking a fair price and if they are genuwine, whoever ends up buying them is getting a heck of a deal.

OK niblett...You state you have no knowledge of cigars in any form of fashion. That makes my opinion much more credible. I've smoked cigars for 20 years. During my time in cigars I've heard your story thousands of times. Nobody gets real Cuban cigars from a cousin or friend that just happens to have a contact that can acquire Cohibas.

You got fucked and are trying to pass the fucking to us...

Just who are you...I'm getting the feeling you might not be who you say you are. Guess an IP check is in order.

[webworm13]

OK niblett...You state you have no knowledge of cigars in any form of fashion. That makes my opinion much more credible. I've smoked cigars for 20 years. During my time in cigars I've heard your story thousands of times. Nobody gets real Cuban cigars from a cousin or friend that just happens to have a contact that can acquire Cohibas.

You got fucked and are trying to pass the fucking to us...

Just who are you...I'm getting the feeling you might not be who you say you are. Guess an IP check is in order.

Okay, since you have smoked for twenty years, what about the box and presentation shows they are fake? Enlighten me with your knowledge. I didn't get swindled by my cousin, as I didn't pay very much for these because I acquired them in the country of origin. Even if I had paid $200 for them myself and they were fake, it would still be a good deal for 25 cigars that came from Cuba. Check my IP all you want. I am who I say I am. Simply a person with family in Cuba who acquired these cigars and is trying to sell them on this forum for a reasonable price. If you don't want them, your loss will be somebody else's gain and you can keep smoking your inferior quality cigars. Fine by me.

[cigarsarge]

Okay, since you have smoked for twenty years, what about the box and presentation shows they are fake? Enlighten me with your knowledge. I didn't get swindled by my cousin, as I didn't pay very much for these because I acquired them in the country of origin. Even if I had paid $200 for them myself and they were fake, it would still be a good deal for 25 cigars that came from Cuba. Check my IP all you want. I am who I say I am. Simply a person with family in Cuba who acquired these cigars and is trying to sell them on this forum for a reasonable price. If you don't want them, your loss will be somebody else's gain and you can keep smoking your inferior quality cigars. Fine by me.

You do not get legitimate Cuban cigars at deal prices in Cuba...Do you have any clue how much a real Esplenditos costs? Nobody here is gonna purchase a fake Cuban cigar.

Tell you what...Sacrifice one of the cigars. Take a razor blade and cut along the length of the wrapper. Unroll the tobacco and post a pic of the tobacco inside. Photograph the head of the cigar...Post a pic. Photograph the foot of the cigar...Post a pic.

How did you legally get Cuban cigars into the country? Are you a diplomat? Was your trip to Cuba sanctioned by the US government? Travel there is pretty much forbidden. Show us the paperwork the government issued you to import these cigars. Did you know you committed a crime in Cuba by undermining their tax system? Did you know the Cuban government issues a receipt for cigars purchased on the island. Do you know you are committing a crime by importing illegal items from Cuba? We have a trade embargo on them. Do you know you are committing a crime by trying to sell contraband here? Did you know you possibly have put your cousin in legal trouble in Cuba by acquiring cigars that did not go through proper channels there?

You are a fucktard...An ignorant one at that.

[EGQ]

Easy guys -- I'm gonna be hella-pissed if I don't get my free Fauxhiba.

[cinda]

How did you legally get Cuban cigars into the country? Are you a diplomat? Was your trip to Cuba sanctioned by the US government? Travel there is pretty much forbidden. Show us the paperwork the government issued you to import these cigars. Did you know you committed a crime in Cuba by undermining their tax system? Did you know the Cuban government issues a receipt for cigars purchased on the island. Do you know you are committing a crime by importing illegal items from Cuba? We have a trade embargo on them. Do you know you are committing a crime by trying to sell contraband here? Did you know you possibly have put your cousin in legal trouble in Cuba by acquiring cigars that did not go through proper channels there?

You are a fucktard...An ignorant one at that.

Wow that should take the pop out of your tent!

[EGQ]

Having looked at the pictures, I am even more confident that these are in fact counterfeits -- but I will reserve my final judgment until the cigar has arrived.

Take a look at this website -- in particular the "Additional Helpful Tips" towards the bottom. http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/counterfeit/

How many of those sound remarkably similar to what has been said/posted in this thread? I don't know you -- you may be the most honest and truthful person on the planet -- but I can't asses your veracity because I DON'T KNOW YOU. You clearly have your doubts about whether they are legit, so it shouldn't surprise you that we do as well.

The more I look at what is on the linked page, the more I chuckle -- take special note of items 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10 under "Additional Helpful Tips" -- its like it was written in response to this thread...

[webworm13]

You do not get legitimate Cuban cigars at deal prices in Cuba...Do you have any clue how much a real Esplenditos costs? Nobody here is gonna purchase a fake Cuban cigar.

Tell you what...Sacrifice one of the cigars. Take a razor blade and cut along the length of the wrapper. Unroll the tobacco and post a pic of the tobacco inside. Photograph the head of the cigar...Post a pic. Photograph the foot of the cigar...Post a pic.

How did you legally get Cuban cigars into the country? Are you a diplomat? Was your trip to Cuba sanctioned by the US government? Travel there is pretty much forbidden. Show us the paperwork the government issued you to import these cigars. Did you know you committed a crime in Cuba by undermining their tax system? Did you know the Cuban government issues a receipt for cigars purchased on the island. Do you know you are committing a crime by importing illegal items from Cuba? We have a trade embargo on them. Do you know you are committing a crime by trying to sell contraband here? Did you know you possibly have put your cousin in legal trouble in Cuba by acquiring cigars that did not go through proper channels there?

You are a fucktard...An ignorant one at that.

Thanks for a run down of the laws pertaining to Cuban cigars and Cuban travel. I have family there and can travel at will to visit them. Had you paid attention to my initial post, you maybe would have read the reason I went there in the first place. My father passed away, and I had to go spread his ashes, as that was his last request. Maybe you should read up a little more regarding the laws on travel to Cuba before you start advising others of the rules and regulations. I can't stand people who speak authoritatively on a subject they know nothing of. You would be surprised at how people get things in Cuba. Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home. I don't know if these cigars are like that or not, but that is for all of you "experts" to decide. It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality. No crime has been committed here my friend so don't get all legal eagle on me.

I WILL NOT sacrifice another cigar, as I am already sending one to EGQ to sample. Furthermore, with all of the bad attitudes on this forum, I am not inclined to cut open a cigar. Had the reception been different from the start, I might have. However, I am appalled and surprised at some of the language and attitudes by some taken on this thread. Seriously, I thought cigar smokers would have more class than this.

Really, I have a good mind to cancel everything on this forum if you are going to get into all the legalese of Cuban cigars. I am already getting ripped off as is obvious by only selling them for $200. I have been advised by people outside this forum that I can get much more. I thought people like yourself wouldn't be so uptight about the laws governing cigars and just wanted to enjoy some of the best cigars in the world from the greatest cigar producing country, but if you are going to start listing all of the laws, than we can all forget about Cohiba's. That is, all except EGQ, who got lucky and will be able to enjoy one for free. Obviously, your passion is not cigars, but international law.

I don't feel the need to discuss who I am, if I am a diplomat, etc... as all that information is extraneous to the discussion of the item at hand. So, if you want to perform an investigation, go to a criminal justice discussion forum.

No, I don't know how much genuine Esplendidos sell for. How much? You may convince me to raise my price on the next person I find that is interested.

Also, taxes were paid on these cigars and everything was done legally. I think I had said this previously.

Here is a link of the photo of the bottom of the box.

http://picasaweb.google.com/webworm1...53387114165538

[ashauler]

Also, taxes were paid on these cigars and everything was done legally. I think I had said this previously.

Here is a link of the photo of the bottom of the box.

http://picasaweb.google.com/webworm1...53387114165538

Prove it. Show me where a legal method of bringing Cuban cigars into the United States is described on any Official United States Government (State Department, OFAC, CBP) web site.

[EGQ]

I've grown bored with this thread...

I think you are wrong about the legalities, but hey, you must be part Cuban, so you should know. Also, since you're part Cuban, you must know that Esplendidos manufactured at home from pilfered tobacco smuggled out of a factory God only knows how (what the fuck did I just agree to test?) are of the same quality as those manufactured at the factory and sold legitimately. Do you really not see the flaws in your statements or the problem with trying to sell these cigars as authentic Esplendidos?

[ggiese]

I can't stand people who speak authoritatively on a subject they know nothing of. You would be surprised at how people get things in Cuba. Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home. I don't know if these cigars are like that or not, but that is for all of you "experts" to decide. It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality. No crime has been committed here my friend so don't get all legal eagle on me.

"Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home."

...and band them with a fake "Cohiba" band to make them attractive to others that would not otherwise buy them.

"It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality."

...and you accuse this community of being ignorant...

[ashauler]

Please don't yank the sale Ms. Otero. And buzz wasn't kidding, he is kinda close to you.

[ggiese]

Becky (aka tapeworm) - would you please throw in a hair cut if I buy some of those cigars?

[cigarsarge]

Maybe you should read up a little more regarding the laws on travel to Cuba before you start advising others of the rules and regulations. I can't stand people who speak authoritatively on a subject they know nothing of. You would be surprised at how people get things in Cuba. Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home. I don't know if these cigars are like that or not, but that is for all of you "experts" to decide. It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality. No crime has been committed here my friend so don't get all legal eagle on me.

Everything written here is interesting...You say people steal cigar leaves and roll em at home. But you say nothing has been illegal in this transaction. Please take notice that Cuban Americans can bring back Cuban cigars if the domestic value is less than $100. You are also prohibited from selling them. They must be for personal use. Your travel license to Cuba can be revoked and criminal proceedings can be undertaken for your sale. You obviously don't give a crap about ever visiting your family there again...You are apparently a low life.

I don't understand why it is not up to us to decide if the cigars are fake or not...You are trying to sell them to us. Nobody wants to buy fake Cuban cigars on this board.

Please niblett...Think before you post.