I thought you were tired of this?Originally Posted by reaganyouth84
No dumbasses in sandbox!
I thought you were tired of this?
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I am, I don't know why I'm arguing on here, I'll get to do it on campus till I'm blue in the face here in a few weeks. Except the people on campus would honestly rather lynch you than anything.I thought you were tired of this?
-Mike
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heres my political affiliation http://cpusa.org/
probably won't be too popular around here I am guessing
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Figures....
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Haha. I have a good quote for you guys:
"Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were slave-owning rich white guys who wanted it their way. So when I see the American flag, I go, "Oh, my God, you're insulting me." That you can have a gay parade on Christopher Street in New York, with naked men and women on a float cheering, "We're here, we're queer!"-that's what makes my heart swell. Not the flag , but a gay naked man or woman, burning the flag. I get chocked up with pride."
-Janeane Garofalo
I tell ya, you gotta love those crazy liberal celebrities.
-Mike
You're not trying to cram anything down our throats now, are you Mike?
LOL, well you know, I am a Nazi and all, or at least some people on here think I am.
-Mike
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Well I thought that quote as funny.
How about this quote:
"I am not bothered by Ronald Reagan's Alzheimer's. You know, there's a lot of cleaner pictures of karma in the world. I mean, it's not a very Christian way of thinking. I do stray sometimes. But I go right from him [Reagan] the farm workers and eating grapes on television during the boycott to him dribbling today. And I feel a sense of justice."
-Sean Penn
I tell you, with quotes like those, it's no wonder the average American feels alienated with the democrats and their supporters.
-Mike
I HATE MOOCHERS !!!
Tax Revenue ???
I don't understand.... If we make abortion illegal then we will create more tax revenue in the future.
What about cracking down on all the illegal immigrants who work here and don't pay taxes but enjoy all the benefits of our government.
What about all the upper class people who receive "tax breaks" while at least 1/3 of my income is taxed.
What about all the Countries that receive aid from us and never repay what we give them.
What about the commonwealth of Puerto Rico, they don't pay taxes but receive the same benefits as being a State.
I think we could find better way to increase our "tax revenue" than by making abortion illegal.
BTW..... I am Pro-Choice........
That would require our politicians to do REAL work, something they aren't good at.
-Mike
Sean Penn is now the spokesperson for the Democratic Party? Guess I missed the memo.
I always get a kick out of the venom that conservatives spew about Hollywood....considering how starstruck Republicans become upon discovering a celebrity that embraces their view. A celebrity aligns him or herself with the party that bashes Hollywood as part of its platform and the Republicans are falling over each other to convince the said celebrity to run for higher office. Aside from President Ronald Reagan, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and NRA President Charlton Heston, the GOP has actively sought out Bo Derek, Dennis Miller and Kelsey Grammer to run for office in California. And notice the B-list celebrity lineup they trotted out at last year's convention (Rick Schroeder, Elizabeth from Survivor, and my personal favorite, Ron Silver).
And how about Britney Spears and Kid Rock? They're both Republicans! But they're also both in the bullseye of Republican culture warriors...or at least they were before they publicly supported George Bush. What's a conservative to do? Do they invite Kid Rock and Britney Spears to respectively run for the Mayor of Detroit and the Governor of Louisiana? Or do they quietly shift the focus off of Britney and on to a Democratic celebrity who wears too few clothes? Or do they distract the faithful simply by mentioning the name of Sean Penn and Michael Moore, instigating an instant culture war feeding frenzy and providing instant amnesia about the party's conflicting relationship with Hollywood.
Yeah, you missed the memo, it said: CAN'T YOU TAKE A F*CKING JOKE?!
Jesus Christ Amanda, this shit is just funny, lighten up. God, your head is going to explode! You are so dry it makes me want to kill myself. You know, you are like the H-bomb, everyones out having a good time, then you show up and everyone dies.
-Mike
Last edited by reaganyouth84; 07-21-2005 at 03:06 AM.
reaganyouth, my post was intended for humor as well, which I would have thought would have been obvious. Iced-T, please point out one of the "lies" I've told.
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A couple of popular tax misconceptions by both sides.
To the liberals:
Rich people do not pay less taxes. They generally have much more complex financial affairs and spend more money in more directions. If something they spend money on is tax deductible, it's worth their time to take advantage of it.
To the conservatives:
Going to a tax system where only sales tax is used and abolishing income tax would compltely screw the working class and poor. The less money you make, the higher a percentage of your income that you spend on goods and services. Therefore the higher a tax percentage you will pay.
To everyone:
The current system is pretty fair percentage-wise. After it's all said and done and the returns are given back, we (middle class) spend about %20 of our income on taxes. The rich pay few percent more, and the poor pay practically nothing.
Kenyth, I completely agree with you about a nationwide sales tax. Aside from its regressivity, it encourages thrift in an economy driven by consumption. If I have to pay 23% higher tax rates every time I go to purchase a car or a piece of furniture, I'm gonna buy fewer cars and less furniture. Furthermore, I can't envision a scenario where a sales tax on the selected items subjected to the tax would produce enough revenue to finance government. In fact, a black market would likely develop for goods whose prices would be artificially inflated by the national sales tax. There are so many things wrong with the supersized national sales tax idea that I could go on all day listing them.
As for the current tax structure being fair, times are changing quickly. Bear in mind that from the 1950s through the 1970's, the top tax rate was never lower than 70%. Today, it's 33%....and that's on top of recent revisions to further reduce the tax burden on stock holders, heirs and heiresses. Who gets to the pay the taxes that they're not? In the short term, smokers, homeowners and college students, all of whom are seeing "sin taxes," property taxes and college tuition rates soar far faster than the rate of inflation. In the long-term, the burden will fall on future generations who will see higher income tax rates necessary to finance national debt interest.
And keep in mind that this regressive restructuring of the tax code is occurring at a time when those seeing their taxes cut are also seeing their share of the national GDP soar, a dynamic that's been in place for about 30 years now. On the other hand, those seeing their taxes increase have largely been experiencing flatlined income growth over the same period. It's a system doomed to destroy itself.
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Amanda i think its because of the raw, unreasonable hatred that many of the celebrities on the left display. Granted, there are some celebrities on the right that parrot their behavior, but almost all of the raw hatred I hear about is from the loony left. Plus, the vast majority of Hollywood types are leftish, liberal or downright socialist, so the squeaky wheel gets the grease as the saying goes.
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[QUOTE=Amanda]Kenyth, I completely agree with you about a nationwide sales tax. Aside from its regressivity, it encourages thrift in an economy driven by consumption. If I have to pay 23% higher tax rates every time I go to purchase a car or a piece of furniture, I'm gonna buy fewer cars and less furniture.QUOTE]
Do you have any idea what that would do to our market, and economy if we cut back on what we purchase? Not only on a national level, but on a world wide level? Let's put it this way, it wouldn't be good.
-Mike
That's exactly the point I was making. If a supersized national sales tax becomes law and replaces the existing income tax, as an increasing chorus of primarily Republicans suggest it should, the higher prices of goods creates a huge disincentive for making purchases. Our economy is fueled by consumer spending, and such a tax promotes thrift.
We get mixed messages on this subject all the time. Take the days after 9-11, for instance, when our elected leaders encouraged us to do our part to help the economy by "spending" at the local mall and car dealership. Message: we can spend our way to financial prosperity. On the other hand, many of that same lawmakers have since lectured us on our dangerously low personal savings rate, accusing us of recklessly spending our way to personal bankruptcy and leaving ourselves high and dry for our retirement years. Problem is, we can't spend and save at the same time. The conventional wisdom is that we're now moving into a "saving period" where consumers are more like to pinch their pennies than buy big screen TV's. On the surface that sounds good, but an economy of savers is an economy without growth. Just ask the Japanese. There's no easy answers, but the worst-case solution, far as I can tell, is a national sales tax.
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