i'm pissed off.....

[SmokinDVM]

I think all you have to do is read this information about trolls and then make your judgement:

LINK

This was taken from your link, and I think it fits this situation also, as well as my own experience on several BB's.

In forums where most users are similar to each other, outsiders may be perceived as trolls simply because they do not fit into the social norms of that group. It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who merely has different values, views, or ideas, and a user who is intentionally trolling. This can lead to genuinely hostile behavior, including flame wars.

I think it's sad that this BB attacks and scrutinizes "newbies" to the degree it does. I found a few good folks here that I would like to continue to converse with, but this BB's "feel" just isn't right for me. The "I can dish it out and you better just sit back and suck it up cause you're new" attitude by many here really sucks, and is kinda childish. I doubt I'll do much more than lurk here from now on.

[Newfie]

snip.....I think it's sad that this BB attacks and scrutinizes "newbies" to the degree it does. I found a few good folks here that I would like to continue to converse with, but this BB's "feel" just isn't right for me. The "I can dish it out and you better just sit back and suck it up cause you're new" attitude by many here really sucks, and is kinda childish. I doubt I'll do much more than lurk here from now on.

Speaking as a Newbie, I'm not sure I agree. I came in here very new to cigars. I did an introductory post telling a little about myself, but included some info about my recent trip to Cuba and what I brought back. While some of the FOG's here took a while to accept me because they were probably waiting for a post from me saying "Genuine Cuban cigars for sale". I think once they saw that wasn't my intention, I was readily accepted. If I remember correctly, you were well accepted as well because you were up front right from your first post.

Yes, there are many who get flamed early here. No doubt about it. But normally, those are the spammers and people who come here for one purpose, to unload shit at a place where it'll be easy. These are people who normally don't have anything of any value to offer.

It would be a shame for you to leave here, but that's entirely your decision.

Personally, I like it here. There's a great bunch of smokers here and for the most part, I agree with the actions of those who run the board, and the Senior FOG's. Those I don't agree with, well, it's a democratic world we live in, and you take the stuff you don't like with the stuff you do.

Peace!!

Newf.

[illilli]

This was taken from your link, and I think it fits this situation also, as well as my own experience on several BB's.
I think it's sad that this BB attacks and scrutinizes "newbies" to the degree it does. I found a few good folks here that I would like to continue to converse with, but this BB's "feel" just isn't right for me. The "I can dish it out and you better just sit back and suck it up cause you're new" attitude by many here really sucks, and is kinda childish. I doubt I'll do much more than lurk here from now on.

I disagree with your assessment of this board. You have distributed some troll-like symptoms yourself, but you never once resorted to personal attacks in any way, which is to your credit. Thus, you have not been harassed or bannished. Noone has required YOU to suck it up.

If you don't want to hang out here, then please just do what you have suggested; just lurk. I say this to everyone reading this, if you don't like this board and the way it works, then there are many other boards out there for you to choose from.

There is a formula for newbie success here that happens to be posted in several places. Newbies that are missing this formula are quickly pointed to it. I don't feel obligated to handle a newbie that doesn't follow that formula with "kid-gloves," or "special consideration."

[bigpoppapuff]

ooops...forgot about SDVM....he happens to be friend of mine...one of many who i invited here...and yes,he was ganged up on.....we need to stop this gang mentality or we're doomed to failure....taking a step back before attacking might be the answer...we'll easily be able to sort out the asshats.....and the new guys don't need to impress the FOGS....if i'm not making sense here...then maybe i don't belong here...

[drew_goring]

ooops...forgot about SDVM....he happens to be friend of mine...one of many who i invited here...and yes,he was ganged up on.....we need to stop this gang mentality or we're doomed to failure....taking a step back before attacking might be the answer...we'll easily be able to sort out the asshats.....and the new guys don't need to impress the FOGS....if i'm not making sense here...then maybe i don't belong here...

Nobody is asking him to leave. I have yet to see somebody attacking him. He doesn't agree with the way he thinks the board is running. Not sure if I see his point there. A lot of people are acting like partagasguy is the victim here. His first post was selling expensive smokes and it just went downhill from there. He never made an attempt to fix his initial problem and the insults just made it worse.

[bigpoppapuff]

SDVM got beat up when he first when he first came here....basil and bigmac beat up partyguy before he started firing back........we have a problem here and if many of you can't see it,then we're destined for failure...


i've invited at least a dozen friends here from other bb's...and most have said they don't like the feeling here...the FOGS here don't need to be impressed by the newer guys who seem to think that they can catch an asshole before anyone else...then it goes downhill from there.....not every new poster is an asshole.....

[drew_goring]

SDVM got beat up when he first when he first came here....basil and bigmac beat up partyguy before he started firing back........we have a problem here and if many of you can't see it,then we're destined for failure...

partyguy was destroyed after his first post. Honestly, what good can come from making your first post a for sale post. He was flamed for good reason. Now, if he would have taken his lumps for his mistake right off the bat, and apologized, then everything would have been cool. Instead he too it WAY too far and started firing back on all cylinders. Yes, we have had our asshat detectors turned up a little high lately, but for good reason. In my eyes he is an asshat with abosolutely no redeeming qualities.

[bigpoppapuff]

partyguy was destroyed after his first post. Honestly, what good can come from making your first post a for sale post. He was flamed for good reason. Now, if he would have taken his lumps for his mistake right off the bat, and apologized, then everything would have been cool. Instead he too it WAY too far and started firing back on all cylinders. Yes, we have had our asshat detectors turned up a little high lately, but for good reason. In my eyes he is an asshat with abosolutely no redeeming qualities.

it seemed to be an honest mistake...to which he admitted..basil and mac came at him and he replied in kind....i have pm's from him..he honestly shows to be an okay guy...we're way too quick with the insta-ban....i want to see this board grow..it ain't gonna happen with bullshit like this...

[Shagaroo]

SDVM got beat up when he first when he first came here....

How about you quote that beating he took? Seems to me he popped off in a thread in politics and opened himself to debate. Which happened and remained rather civil, considering the usual debate tactics your buddy uses through over 1300 posts between CR and HP (where he was temp banned at least twice). By the way, out of those 1300+ posts no more than 30 actually had anything to do with cigars. Funny that...

Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:40 pm

I fucked your mom without it.

Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:58 pm

Oh look, the three cumbags for god. Imagine finding you pillowbiters here

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:12 pm

STFU you priest sucking piece of retarded shit. I don't know his mother, asshole. Interesting how you would think I was ACTUALLY fucking someone’s mother. Nice try micro-brain. Now I know for a fact that you couldn't have received a degree from a REAL college, only Oral Roberts U would give a degree to an idiot like yourself.
Oh, BTW, I fucked YOUR mom too

Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:00 pm

You go right ahead and call me on "it". Your momma called me daddy last night, right after I smacked her ass.

http://cigarrebellion.12.forumer.com...ff17456f0#4012

Funny how thin skinned yer buddy got when he signed up over here and didn't have the numbers to back him up for his usual debate tactics. It remained civil and now all the sudden he was some poor noobler beat up by us mean old forum regulars.

Wah.....

[Drake]

STFU you priest sucking piece of retarded shit.

that’s classy

[SmokinDVM]

How about you quote that beating he took? Seems to me he popped off in a thread in politics and opened himself to debate. Which happened and remained rather civil, considering the usual debate tactics your buddy uses through over 1300 posts between CR and HP (where he was temp banned at least twice). By the way, out of those 1300+ posts no more than 30 actually had anything to do with cigars. Funny that...









http://cigarrebellion.12.forumer.com...ff17456f0#4012

Funny how thin skinned yer buddy got when he signed up over here and didn't have the numbers to back him up for his usual debate tactics. It remained civil and now all the sudden he was some poor noobler beat up by us mean old forum regulars.

Wah.....

Actually, before CR moved, I have plenty of cigar related posts, not that that has shit to do with anything.
When I signed up over here, I started participating in a civil political discussion. I was asked to back off. I must have been too rough on someone. I don't need, nor have I ever had, the "numbers" to back me up. I can handle myself just fine. Always have, always will.
BTW, those are some of my better posts

[cigar no baka]

How about you quote that beating he took? Seems to me he popped off in a thread in politics and opened himself to debate. Which happened and remained rather civil, considering the usual debate tactics your buddy uses through over 1300 posts between CR and HP (where he was temp banned at least twice). By the way, out of those 1300+ posts no more than 30 actually had anything to do with cigars. Funny that...









http://cigarrebellion.12.forumer.com...ff17456f0#4012

Funny how thin skinned yer buddy got when he signed up over here and didn't have the numbers to back him up for his usual debate tactics. It remained civil and now all the sudden he was some poor noobler beat up by us mean old forum regulars.

Wah.....

Ya this guy seems like he just came here to stir up shit and that's it. Real great contribution to the board.

[BigMacFU]

SDVM got beat up when he first when he first came here....basil and bigmac beat up partyguy before he started firing back........we have a problem here and if many of you can't see it,then we're destined for failure...


i've invited at least a dozen friends here from other bb's...and most have said they don't like the feeling here...the FOGS here don't need to be impressed by the newer guys who seem to think that they can catch an asshole before anyone else...then it goes downhill from there.....not every new poster is an asshole.....

Sid, I didn't beat the guy up. I did what we do to all members who become members just to post some for sale thread (and usually do it in the wrong area or multiple areas), and really intend to take there money and run. You participated quite willingly in playing with that British guy who was trying to sell stuff. I laid down what the guy didn't want to hear, he wanted a quick buck, got called on it and got mad. It took him a while to change his tune from, "I'm just trying to sell some guys who know about cigars, I don't need this..." to, "I want to be a part of your board and contribute."

I smelled his BS, and if you look at the time and date stamps, nobody other than Basil and I engaged this guy for pretty much the first couple days. So, there was no ganging up, just a simple, we don't want people who come to sell, make a buck, and leave. Those are the people who a true newb could unsuspectingly engage in a sale with and get screwed.

And yes, you do belong here, you're just as stubborn as the rest of us ;-)

[basil]

SDVM got beat up when he first when he first came here....basil and bigmac beat up partyguy before he started firing back........we have a problem here and if many of you can't see it,then we're destined for failure...


i've invited at least a dozen friends here from other bb's...and most have said they don't like the feeling here...the FOGS here don't need to be impressed by the newer guys who seem to think that they can catch an asshole before anyone else...then it goes downhill from there.....not every new poster is an asshole.....

You're wrong here, Sid. This guy got called on his shit. He took a nasty swipe at the already-established, reputable member who called him out. He fired first by not reading the rules. He was called on it. He fired again with his rudeness toward a member. Then he got called out some more and then he got nasty and began lying.

I don't think I'm trying to impress anyone - this board has an integrity that is worth more than any one person's opinion. And I'll be one who'll step up to preserve it.

You're making noises like you're going to leave if we don't change our ways and opinions. I personally see this as manipulative. However, I'll bite. Also personally, I will be very much aggrieved if you leave this board. You have a vast knowledge of cigars - and you are important to this board. I've said as much to past trolls who have taken swipes at you.

It's too bad about shelby and valueman. But, this partguy got what he had coming.

[Monk]

The Internet is one of the worst forms of communication on the planet. Lets face it. Even in this thread people are confusing who is the subject of certain comments and who isn't. Confusion reigns.... I think everyone needs to take a step back, take a breath and get things back on track.


-W.

[Monk]

ooops...forgot about SDVM....he happens to be friend of mine...one of many who i invited here...and yes,he was ganged up on.....we need to stop this gang mentality or we're doomed to failure....taking a step back before attacking might be the answer...we'll easily be able to sort out the asshats.....and the new guys don't need to impress the FOGS....if i'm not making sense here...then maybe i don't belong here...

Just my 2 cents (you'll have to do the exchange to USD). I think you are definately right in some ways... as a newb who has managed to avoid any initial controversy and also received great advice on here I might have a slightly different perspective than those of you who have been on here longer. I think there is more of a tendancy to go straight to very aggressive attacks on some newbs, some of which maybe just made an honest mistake. In PartagasGuy's case, however, he really went on a rampage insulting anyone and anything without provocation in some cases, not to mention changing what he was saying to curry opinion. Maybe there needs to be a big "Before you post" kind of a thing for newbs. Let them know what the advertising forum is for, let them know some do's n don'ts and make it part of signing up so they have NO excuse for not knowing. Maybe its already there and I missed it, or read it and filed it away so correct me if I am wrong please. Sometimes we take these things for granted because we are "too close to the paper", not everyone is internet and message board saavy.

For the record, despite NEVER seeing a public apology from PartagasGuy I still voted only for 30 days. I figure, that in 30 days if he is genuine then there won't be further troubles, or he will go away because he isn't getting the attention he craves for 30 days. Time will tell....

-W.

[drew_goring]

Maybe there needs to be a big "Before you post" kind of a thing for newbs. Let them know what the advertising forum is for, let them know some do's n don'ts and make it part of signing up so they have NO excuse for not knowing. Maybe its already there and I missed it, or read it and filed it away so correct me if I am wrong please.
-W.

You mean before you post things like these:

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2170-ra...tatements.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t3695-newbie-advice.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2242-a-little-advice.html <----- (specifically number 2)

[Monk]

You mean before you post things like these:

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2170-ra...tatements.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t3695-newbie-advice.html
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2242-a-little-advice.html <----- (specifically number 2)

For a second there I thought those were links to dumbass posts I had made!!!

Yeah, all of those are great, and probably stickied somewhere, but not everyone goes through each forum and reads every sticky (or even understands what the heck that is). So yes, my point was incorporate good guidelines and rules like those in a more direct up front way.

-W.

[drew_goring]

This was taken from your link, and I think it fits this situation also, as well as my own experience on several BB's.
I think it's sad that this BB attacks and scrutinizes "newbies" to the degree it does. I found a few good folks here that I would like to continue to converse with, but this BB's "feel" just isn't right for me. The "I can dish it out and you better just sit back and suck it up cause you're new" attitude by many here really sucks, and is kinda childish. I doubt I'll do much more than lurk here from now on.

Fitting in and outright making personal attacks are two very different things. If I tell you I saw your sister at the local strip clubs last week, would you consider that just not fitting in? How about if I make fun of your difference in race, sex or sexual orientation? He was a troll through and through. I can't see how some of you are embracing him. So what, he knows about a couple of sandwich shops. There is nobody forcing you to stay, and as well there is nobody trying to make you leave. I still can't believe that there are people on his side. For fuck sake, I was just joking and made a 'you're mother joke and was instantly called out publicly and was sent pms. I realized my wrong and made a public as well as personal apology, and cleaned up from there. The difference is he insulted my family, and then offered no sort of explaination or apology. He even went one step further and insulted my country among other things, and there are a few people who didn't even bat an eye. It is true that if you are new, you need to take a lot more than you dish out, but once you are known and befriend some of the membership, you know who you can start dishing it out to, and who you can't.

It is just like in real life. Do you walk down the street, or go into a bar and call somebody's sister a whore, then mock their home country. That would get you shot, or at least mangled in some places. Now on the other hand, you will say some pretty nasty things to a good friend just joking around, and because you know each other well enough, you can laugh at it because you know it is just a joke.

I dunno, just something to think about before you all go defending this asshole. I am not sure how some of you guys can outright defend him. I think a perm. ban was more in order, but a 30 day ban will probably serve the purpose.

[cigar no baka]

This was taken from your link, and I think it fits this situation also, as well as my own experience on several BB's.
I think it's sad that this BB attacks and scrutinizes "newbies" to the degree it does. I found a few good folks here that I would like to continue to converse with, but this BB's "feel" just isn't right for me. The "I can dish it out and you better just sit back and suck it up cause you're new" attitude by many here really sucks, and is kinda childish. I doubt I'll do much more than lurk here from now on.

Well considering the hostility of your signature there, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Good riddance. Trying to stir some shit up with that sig there eh?