A discussion on perceptions

[cigarsarge]

I think Shelby is ok. Nice to have some more "elderly" folks around. We are definately a minority.

On another subject every newbie that comes in here and steps on his privates is not a scammer, profit maker, or troll. I don't know what the solution to the problem is. How we deal with this problem is gonna determine the future of this place.

[bigpoppapuff]

I think Shelby is ok. Nice to have some more "elderly" folks around. We are definately a minority.

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HEY!!!!....????...

[bigpoppapuff]

On another subject every newbie that comes in here and steps on his privates is not a scammer, profit maker, or troll. I don't know what the solution to the problem is. How we deal with this problem is gonna determine the future of this place.

this is very true...we can't keep chasing people immediately....no growth!!...no board!!!..

[Bighardbrowncigar]

this is very true...we can't keep chasing people immediately....no growth!!...no board!!!..

Thought I might make an observation. Just so as not to offend anyone, I will apologize first in case I step on any toes. Ok, I had noticed that there was a person floating around here under a few names but was actually the same guy. I had read some of his\her posts, and didn't see anything posted that was derogatory. The person wasn't trying to sell anything, and did a legitimate trade with a regular on the board.

Wouldn't it have been better if this person had been constructively criticized and temp banned or some other such punishment rather than a simple heave ho? It didn't seem like he meant anything but to have a bit of harmless fun.

That said, thank for the welcome, and I'll sit back and learn for a while.

bhbc

[ggiese]

Thought I might make an observation. Just so as not to offend anyone, I will apologize first in case I step on any toes. Ok, I had noticed that there was a person floating around here under a few names but was actually the same guy. I had read some of his\her posts, and didn't see anything posted that was derogatory. The person wasn't trying to sell anything, and did a legitimate trade with a regular on the board.

Wouldn't it have been better if this person had been constructively criticized and temp banned or some other such punishment rather than a simple heave ho? It didn't seem like he meant anything but to have a bit of harmless fun.

That said, thank for the welcome, and I'll sit back and learn for a while.

bhbc

Mark,

I think if that person you speak of had been honest with himself and the other members, life would be peachy right now... Unfortunately, for a 35 yr old to act like he's 12 on an adult discussion board doesn't make for a pleasant situation.

You can't start out by being a troll, then decide you like the place... If you do, you got some 'splainin to do...

[illilli]

Thought I might make an observation. Just so as not to offend anyone, I will apologize first in case I step on any toes. Ok, I had noticed that there was a person floating around here under a few names but was actually the same guy. I had read some of his\her posts, and didn't see anything posted that was derogatory. The person wasn't trying to sell anything, and did a legitimate trade with a regular on the board.

Wouldn't it have been better if this person had been constructively criticized and temp banned or some other such punishment rather than a simple heave ho? It didn't seem like he meant anything but to have a bit of harmless fun.

That said, thank for the welcome, and I'll sit back and learn for a while.

bhbc

You are only allowed to have one login. That's the rule Mark, if that's your name. I'm not fooled by your posted age either; I know you are only 19 from Southern California. Why not be straight with us and let us guide you to really fitting in here?

[bigpoppapuff]

whothefuggizzmark??.....and what am i missing here??...

[Shelby07]

All good comments and, hopefully a good start to a productive discussion. GG, don't worry about insulting me or offending me. I think I'm past that as I understand a little more where most are coming from. Besides, I asked for this discussion knowing full well that I'm the new kid on the block and I would probably hear some harsh words. If I did that before I was ready then I guess I'll just have to accept what I get. You were right to point out that I don't have a good feel for the board or the people on it yet. Besides, I've heard from a few others that you are a pretty good guy. However, I have jumped into the fray and, hopefully, I can win some credibility by putting in some effort to help make things better.

I will say that I have been on a few other boards having to do with the new GT500 and aviation, and I have used newsgroups for many years before that. Apparantly they are a bit milder than cigar boards.

illilli - I'm not sure if your post was directed at me, I know there are several people named Mark, but just to clarify. Are you thinking that I have more than one login, that I am not 56 years old and I'm not who I say I am? Or was that directed at someone else?

[ggiese]

All good comments and, hopefully a good start to a productive discussion. GG, don't worry about insulting me or offending me. I think I'm past that as I understand a little more where most are coming from. Besides, I asked for this discussion knowing full well that I'm the new kid on the block and I would probably hear some harsh words. If I did that before I was ready then I guess I'll just have to accept what I get. You were right to point out that I don't have a good feel for the board or the people on it yet. Besides, I've heard from a few others that you are a pretty good guy. However, I have jumped into the fray and, hopefully, I can win some credibility by putting in some effort to help make things better.

I will say that I have been on a few other boards having to do with the new GT500 and aviation, and I have used newsgroups for many years before that. Apparantly they are a bit milder than cigar boards.

illilli - I'm not sure if your post was directed at me, I know there are several people named Mark, but just to clarify. Are you thinking that I have more than one login, that I am not 56 years old and I'm not who I say I am? Or was that directed at someone else?

You'll be fine, Shelby. Stick around - get to know the crew - it will all eventually make sense... And I'm sure you'll be glad you did - especially if you like cigars. This is one of the most generous, sincere, caring groups of individuals I've dealt with. You've stumbled into a great group...

And nope - illilli is not talking about you. He's talking about BigHardBrownCigar.

[illilli]

illilli - I'm not sure if your post was directed at me, I know there are several people named Mark, but just to clarify. Are you thinking that I have more than one login, that I am not 56 years old and I'm not who I say I am? Or was that directed at someone else?[/SIZE]

No, Shelby, I was not talking to you, sorry. I like you Shelby and I'm glad you are hangin out with us.

[NullSmurf]

I think Shelby is ok. Nice to have some more "elderly" folks around. We are definately a minority.

On another subject every newbie that comes in here and steps on his privates is not a scammer, profit maker, or troll. I don't know what the solution to the problem is. How we deal with this problem is gonna determine the future of this place.

Who you calling elderly!?

[tampacigargirl]

On another subject every newbie that comes in here and steps on his privates is not a scammer, profit maker, or troll. I don't know what the solution to the problem is. How we deal with this problem is gonna determine the future of this place.

Ummm some of us don't have privates to step on!

Sorry, I know this is a serious subject but I had to stick my 2 cents in.

[Shagaroo]

Ummm some of us don't have privates to step on!

Sorry, I know this is a serious subject but I had to stick my 2 cents in.

Then careful you don't step IN yours.....

[BigMacFU]

Shelby, I was the first one to respond to Pguy and my reasoning has somewhat been explained by others but, let me do so in my own words.

First, go humping a mule and insta-ban are not extreme. My language compared to most is rather reserved. And, as he indicated in many later posts, he has such a thick skin that such a comment would fall off him like it was nothing, so he couldn't have been offended.

Second, anybody who shows up on a board and their first post is something like, "Rare cigars for sale," or just in general, "cigars for sale" is not here for anything more than a sale. It is like going door to door in real life. I chose to shut the door on this guy instead of inviting him in and hearing his "sell." With the British guy selling cubans, the board decided to let him in the house, make his pitch, and then we threw every odd question or scheme back at him, hoping he'd just realize how annoying a salesman really is. If PGuy ever wanted anything else out of this board, he would have started with an intro thread, or he would've asked a question that would elicit some typical response of, "Welcome to the board, briefly 65% get beads, and cello doesn't matter, for future reference, use the search function."

But no thread like this was written. In fact, the only time PGuy even started to act like he was anything but a salesman was when Poppa tried to diffuse things, and so made small talk. But, salespeople love this, they want to make you think they're your friend. Clearly, PGuy failed as a salesman, in fact, he knew that we knew that was all he was here for and is why he never apologized and never said anything like, I wanted to become a part of this board, I've been lurking and this looks like a great bunch of guys.

So, to sum up, Shelby, we shouldn't chase newbs away by being hostile, you're right. PGuy was not a noob though, his intention was pure and simple, sell, sell, sell. He never had any intention of sticking around (at least until it was explained to him that only established/trusted members would be allowed to engage in sales without getting flamed every two seconds). If I could sell cigars for a price of up to 750 dollars, I'd change my tune to make the sale too.

I did nothing wrong and neither did anybody else who went after PGuy. We caught him red handed (and like I said, I'm a little more reserved, so I won't even use the red smiley we have available, nor have I ever).