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**ggiese** · 04-21-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by labmonkey

Hey Coventrycat, you seem to have a lot to offer here, and I feel like it will be great to have you as a member of this group, but not if your main objective is to hang around and use the boards to get back at members who have wronged you in some way.

Just my opinion, but I think your point has been made, get off Carlos' back, and let's stay civil here. so far the one thread you have been heavily involved in has been closed....not a good record so far.

If you have a beef with someone take it to PM or email. We should RESPECT everyone here.

As I said, just my opinion, and I don't mean any disrespect, I just enjoy keeping things cool here.

LM,

CoventryCat has a TON to offer (not just spelling lessons

). If you knew him, you'd know him to be a very knowledgeable cigar smoker. He has opinions, as do we all. He's also who you want on a board so that a question can be answered knowledgeably. And I don't believe, as far as I know, Oblik has wronged CoventryCat in any way - as a matter of fact, from the posts I see it seems Oblik feels wronged by CoventryCat, Mogheson and Dave.

Others, aside from CoventryCat, have offered opinions that have offended Carlos and a thread was locked. No further discussion on the subject... Why? If there was nothing to the information presented, wouldn't it just die? Instead, repressing the comments only leads to it spilling into other threads (such as what's going on here).

So lets be civil and go to PM. Sure - that'll put a nice face on the problem. But does it resolve the problem? I'd venture to say in most cases it will... But, then again, the whole bad trader list resulted from trades gone south, e-mails and PM's being sent - and the issue not being resolved - REPEATEDLY. I sincerely hope anyone who thinks about screwing someone over on a trade, on purpose or not, will think twice because there are those like CoventryCat and Dave, and others like them out there who are looking out for the community!!!

I hope I'm not offending anyone with my posts - it's not intended to be that way.

**Oblik** · 04-21-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by ggiese

LM,

CoventryCat has a TON to offer (not just spelling lessons

). If you knew him, you'd know him to be a very knowledgeable cigar smoker. He has opinions, as do we all. He's also who you want on a board so that a question can be answered knowledgeably. And I don't believe, as far as I know, Oblik has wronged CoventryCat in any way - as a matter of fact, from the posts I see it seems Oblik feels wronged by CoventryCat, Mogheson and Dave.

Others, aside from CoventryCat, have offered opinions that have offended Carlos and a thread was locked. No further discussion on the subject... Why? If there was nothing to the information presented, wouldn't it just die? Instead, repressing the comments only leads to it spilling into other threads (such as what's going on here).

So lets be civil and go to PM. Sure - that'll put a nice face on the problem. But does it resolve the problem? I'd venture to say in most cases it will... But, then again, the whole bad trader list resulted from trades gone south, e-mails and PM's being sent - and the issue not being resolved - REPEATEDLY. I sincerely hope anyone who thinks about screwing someone over on a trade, on purpose or not, will think twice because there are those like CoventryCat and Dave, and others like them out there who are looking out for the community!!!

I hope I'm not offending anyone with my posts - it's not intended to be that way.

This IS their resolution. Private conversation has failed over the last 3 days with Dave.

**Oblik** · 04-21-2005, 05:30 PM

BTW...the locking of the thread was an attempt to keep it private between the 2 of us. Our admin has locked the other thread.

And for the record, I don't spell that well, never have. I type fast and love the spell check. I don't really care.

**ggiese** · 04-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Here's more slander, Oblik...

WOW..
I JUST GOT DEJAVU SEEING THOSE PICS.

I was on another board a while back. It was our very first box pass. In the pass this same guy put in an esplendido. When I received the pass I really wanted to grab this cigar..but upon further inspection it was a suspect cigar.

Being the botl that I am i replcaed the esplendido with a premium stick. I did not want any other guys who were less familiar with habanos and COhibas to end up getting burned.

I inspected the cigar and noticed that the color was off..the usual Cohiba smell was not there and that the triple cap was not clean or very evident..also the cigar was very rough looking. ALso the band was very bad looking.

I posted my initial thoughts and pic up on another board and the concencus from most member was that it was 100% fake. I figured I would give him the benefit of doubt so I put the COhiba away for a while..so as to let it recover from travel. Well one day i reached into the HUMI and lit this up.. It was the most horrific Cohiba experience I had ever experienced.. it burned hot..burned uneven..smoke was noxious...and it tasted like crap.. not even close to a COhiba..

I pm'd this guy and asked him to make sure his CANADIAN source was reliable he assured me it was.. SO I left it alone. If he was 100% sure he was getting real habanos than there was no sense arguing.

At first I felt bad for him ..because I thought he was buying fake cigars and did not realize this due to his lack of smoking habanos..but after reading this thread and reading the other thread he so eagerly locked..leads me to beleive this guy knowingly thries to pass off fakes as legitimate cigars in order to obtain real or premium cigars..

This is not good.. In the future I know i would never trade or join any pass he is in..

Dave I hope you and him work something out..ALso if you want I can e-mail you the pics I took of my fake..alongside my cigars..

Just because someone is a moderator or a good guy on other boards does not mean they are 100% stand up guys!!

Shortly after that was pointed out, the author of that post was booted off the board. Lost his Mod status and locked out. Was it because he DARED to point out the Cohiba's were fake? You can answer that, Oblik - because I don't know that anyone ever told Alex why he was banned.

The ironic part of that story it - he was ridiculed by others who saw the trade. Members of other boards were wondering what Alex was doing. Alex' reputation was on the line. Alex wanted to help Oblik out and check out the cigar as a friendly gesture. And he's repaid with banishment?

**Oblik** · 04-21-2005, 05:37 PM

What board are you referring to? I don't know of an Alex that had been banned for any reason from any board. Not only that but I don't have banning rights. Only the site admin does.

**CoventryCat86** · 04-21-2005, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Oblik

What board are you referring to? I don't know of an Alex that had been banned for any reason from any board. Not only that but I don't have banning rights. Only the site admin does.

LMFAO, that is just precious.

LetsTalkCigars Oblik, like you had "no idea"

Gimme a freakin' BREAK

**Oblik** · 04-21-2005, 05:45 PM

For not hanging aroung LTC very much you sure seem to know ALOT about that board.

I don't like Mo, if you are indeed not him then the comment towards you was mistaken.

**CoventryCat86** · 04-21-2005, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Oblik

For not hanging aroung LTC very much you sure seem to know ALOT about that board.

I don't like Mo, if you are indeed not him then the comment towards you was mistaken.

A lot (two words, not one and DO NOT get all pissed at me, just a friendly bit of advice as this is a common mistake made by many people) of people know A LOT about LTC. That site is a running joke among many people on the larger cigar boards and has been quite the topic of conversation among many of us on CigarPass, CigarWeekly, CigarFamily and CigarSnobs.

Who said I don't "hang around LTC very much"? I told you in my previous post, I used to visit the site quite regularly as a guest before it collapsed on itself due to overzealous moderators who were nasty and abusive towards members (that would be you, PuroMooch, Corey, SFG75 and Zac) who would edit, modify and delete posts and ban people for no good reason.

**Dave Razz** · 04-21-2005, 08:13 PM

Finally, a discussion regarding the Fake Cohibas with the fraud himself. I really like this place and intend on hanging for awhile, that is the only thing good to come of this whole situation.

You demanded on having your fake Cubans back Carlos...prior to making my end right. Like I said privately, why in the World would I send your fake sticks back so you can possibly burn someone else down the line??? To be honest, i was not looking for a replacement over two measly REAL CUBANS...(A Monte2 and Dip2 for the record)...I wanted an admission and apoligy.

You insisted on being a little punk and going back and forth and finally you told me, Sorry it had to be this way...What is a botl to do, let you continue to screw others, heck I wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking how you might burn someone else. I gave you amny chances, but YOU refused..don't lie to these people, I have the emails...the PROOF.

Anyway, maybe this will make you grow up some and be more responsible. I like to think you are an okay guy, everyone here seems to like you. I suppose none of them have received your fake Cubans yet. If you like, I can post here where you claim to have the best prices on habanos....along with everything else that proved your guilt. But let's drop this...Maybe in time you can prove your a botl and be removed from that nasty list.

I just wish you would have listened to reason and stop trading the counterfeit Cohiba Carlos.

Moheganson · 04-22-2005, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Oblik

For not hanging aroung LTC very much you sure seem to know ALOT about that board.

I don't like Mo, if you are indeed not him then the comment towards you was mistaken.

Awwww, c'mon Carlos, I don't dislike you, I just don't like the way you bullied me and others over at LTC. You must learn to respect the fact that people have different opinions from you and that you don't know everything (kind of like your insistance that Moheganson and CoventryCat86 are the same person, at least you eventually admitted you were wrong but in your typical fashion, you shoot first then ask questions later, not good my man, not good.....).

I can honestly say that you probably had no idea that your source was selling fakes so I really don't believe you INTENTIONALLY tried to take people for a ride. I have a fair amount of experience with cigars but I'm probably not experienced enough to know real ones from fake ones. There are plenty of other people on the cigar boards who are highly respected whose opinions I trust and when they say a cigar is a fake I believe them.

Once you have a more experience with real Cuban cigars, you'll probably be able to tell the difference too but when someone questions the authenticity of your cigars, don't get all defensive. You probably should have said "My mistake, I thought my source was a good one but obviously they are selling fakes, I will do what I can to recitfy this situation."

That would have made you look a heck of a lot better than how things wound up.

**Roham** · 04-22-2005, 11:07 AM

In my eyes, the only people who look bad are you, ggiese, CoventryCat and Dave Razz for following him here and continuing to post useless slander when it is clearly annoying the community! Like Hex said, this has nothing to do with us and the community here at Cigarsmokers.com....

**ggiese** · 04-21-2005, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Oblik

What board are you referring to? I don't know of an Alex that had been banned for any reason from any board. Not only that but I don't have banning rights. Only the site admin does.

Carlos - you don't know which board I'm referring to? Don't know of an "Alex" who's been banned? You remember, AlexGTP - the one who checked out the Cohiba's you put in the box pass that were fake... and pointed it out to you (in private initially)

I really don't understand Alex being a one time mod on LTC, and then being locked out of the board totally. Doesn't that seems a bit harsh? What did he do? Inquiring minds want to know. It seems to me if someone is banned, they must have done some pretty horrible things (threatening other members with harm, attacking family members, openly flaming the board - such as the "CPFU" pass at LTC, etc.)... Did Alex do any of that? My experience from all of the other boards I'm a member of is you get banned when you cross the line. Speaking your peace doesn't necessarily cross the line, unless it's malicious.

You didn't have banning rights, but you did have input, didn't you? I believe that the bannings at LTC I'm aware of (including Alex's) was a consensus between mods. As a matter of fact, I was banned and never given a reason. My account was locked, and my application for membership was rejected. I often wonder why? I'm a great person, not been trouble, enjoy smoking and discussing cigars, and hate people who take advantage of others (that would be the cop in me) - so what would have warranted me being banned at LTC? You would know - you were in the quorum over there... Was it because those banned or locked out were all "spies" - kind of the same things you seem to think about people here - ganging up and spying on you?

Certainly, someone shouldn't be banned for simply speaking their minds - as unpleasant as it may seem some times. That's how we become a "friendly" board - like true family members there are going to be heated discussions and disagreements, but you don't toss the baby out with the bath water... Healthy discussion and open minds build stronger relationships where hopefully everyone eventually understands each other (like not making spelling errors in front of CoventryCat86

).

**hex1848** · 04-22-2005, 06:16 AM

I have been in contact with most of the party’s involved in this dispute in private and have asked that this issue be kept out of the forum. Several other members of the community not involved have also contacted me expressing their concerns about the situation. I am now publicly asking for this matter to be dropped.

The trades in question were not facilitated by communication on this forum. The issues between the members being discussed did not happen on this forum. I would appreciate it as would the majority of our members if this topic is kept away from Cigarsmokers.com

I do not like locking threads and I do not want anything deleted unless it violates our policies. I have made it perfectly clear that I want this community to be a friendly place for everyone’s enjoyment.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

Miguel