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[SmokinDVM]

"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

– Frederick Douglass, African-American abolitionist


As demonstrated above, the US has a history of protestors. They were less effective in the 19th Century, compared to the 20th, most probably due to transportation difficulties making it next to impossible to get large groups together. I don't think it was due to any respect for the office, unless the person holding it was really deserving.


It's my understanding that Lincoln used to have people gather in certain areas of the White House, and would actually go and talk to them. Even during the Civil War, he would still carry out that practice, often speaking with the families of soldiers who had fallen in battle.

The present admins SOP is to avoid the subject of dead soldiers altogether, especially involving the families.

[Kenyth]

"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

– Frederick Douglass, African-American abolitionist


As demonstrated above, the US has a history of protestors. They were less effective in the 19th Century, compared to the 20th, most probably due to transportation difficulties making it next to impossible to get large groups together. I don't think it was due to any respect for the office, unless the person holding it was really deserving.


It's my understanding that Lincoln used to have people gather in certain areas of the White House, and would actually go and talk to them. Even during the Civil War, he would still carry out that practice, often speaking with the families of soldiers who had fallen in battle.

The present admins SOP is to avoid the subject of dead soldiers altogether, especially involving the families.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but in my case it's irrelevent to the point I'm trying to make. You seem to want to exclusively blame republicans for actions that are common to government in general, regardless of whether it's a democrat or republican. This administration is no worse that any other of this age when it comes to treating dissenters unfairly.

[SmokinDVM]

I don't know if this was directed at me, but in my case it's irrelevent to the point I'm trying to make. You seem to want to exclusively blame republicans for actions that are common to government in general, regardless of whether it's a democrat or republican. This administration is no worse that any other of this age when it comes to treating dissenters unfairly.

This is the area we disagree on.

"Free speech zones" that get set up with only those supporting the present admin., in public view. Loyalty oaths, and endorsement statements.
This is McCarthy era politics at its worst. The dumbya admin violates the rights of American citizens with a fervor, using "terrorists" to replace "communist", as the scare word of the day.

The reason many people fail to see the violations, is this admin, uses the threat of "White House Press Corp" bans for any news agency not towing the line. You have to do a lot of digging to find any real news today. And this has NOT been the case with previous admins.