hey baka...

[CgarDan]

Actually, in the "Middle East" thread, he started the name calling, then blamed CgarDan for starting it.

Selective reading I guess.

I have gone over the whole Midle East Thread and and read it again.

First thing Baka did was say that I started name calling by starting the thread. In reality I just recounted the situaton right after it broke the news and asked what people think about it. Hardly name calling. Neither did I at any point come in and say who was wrong or who was right politically. Even though I do have an opinion politically posting it only cuases problems. I don't understand why can't people just say what they think without generalizing it to the people on this board.

Second point Baka was in fact the first who started the name throwing ( throwing names of people on this board in dirt ) by calling out DVM. Once again you hate or love Bush fine speak up and call him whatever you feel like, hell invite him to dinner if you want bring up facts to stregthen your argument and agree to have different opinions --- that's why we have a freedom of speach and different political parties, just don't call other people on this board names directly just refer to their political parties nothing wrong with that its your opinion but calling people on this board directly is taking it too personal.

Third point: Is BPP my friend yes. Do i think BPP is justified in his actions here in calling BAKA names no. Is he right to start BAKA ban poll sure just like anyone can start one on him. Does BPP have a point that BAka took this one too far yes. Does BPP have a point that BAKA does not post anything cigar related lately yes. Does all this say who is right or wrong I think both in this particular case went too far


Resolution: STOP CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES IT ONLY LEADS TO MORE NAME CALLING

I say put a new rule together: For example pick a volunteer moderator. If anyone calls anyone else a deragatory name the person called has the right to report the problem to the moderator. Moderator will look into the problem and has a right to warn one or all parties to the argument -- sort of a yellow card if you will --- get 2 yellow cards and get 30 day ban for things to cool off; get a another yellow card when you come back = 90 day ban; get another upon return and you have a life time ban. MAy seemkind of harsh but it will resolve the problem

Let the admin come up with an exact definition of what will be considered a violation in this case.

If you don't agree with me fine I have no problem hearing your opinion just please use logic and refrain from deragatory name calling

[Shelby07]

I have a better idea. Let the damn thread die! I don't care who calls who what, but this one thread is starting to define the entire site. Too many tempers, too many names. Just resist the temptation to post.

Someone once told me that when you are absolutely busting at the seams to jump in and state your point of view, that's the time to keep your mouth shut.

[brian]

I have a better idea. Let the damn thread die! I don't care who calls who what, but this one thread is starting to define the entire site. Too many tempers, too many names. Just resist the temptation to post.

Someone once told me that when you are absolutely busting at the seams to jump in and state your point of view, that's the time to keep your mouth shut.

Die? I think it should be removed or locked. That's just my opinion. Please do not call me names, thank you.

[Shagaroo]

Post #6

The hatred in the Middle East is so entrenched, so deeply held and felt, and so lovingly nurtured by fanatics, that the only outcome will be more of the same. Death, destruction, followed by more of same.

CNB did not post between that post and this post.

Post #37

To all the neocons unable to form an opinion not pre-announced on FOX "news", PUT DOWN THE KOOLAID, AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY!

Between those posts, the only thing that could be taken as an insult was post #31.

Reply as you please, but don’t expect a reply. Dueling with the libs on this board is like pounding your head against a brick wall. Actually, when I do pound my head against the wall I can actually see the wall’s point of view.

Post #32 by Shelby was a little on edge as well.

CNB didn't post again until post #41.

It's absolutely pointless to argue with dyed-in-the-wool liberals, they rarely stop frothing at the mouth spouting endless lies, hyperbole and personal attacks for you to get a word in edgewise. Just move on, let them to talk to the bare spot of ground you were standing on, maybe it will listen since no one else will

Which was clearly in response to post #37.

Now, Sid, if you can take a second away from you blind, misguided rage, please show me where CNB started it?

Of course, we could discuss the fact that SDVM can't make a post without insulting someone, whether on the forum or a political figure. Repugs, Pukes, etc....

Of course, for the real name calling, we need not look any further than post # 68.

Easy life?! Listen to young college boy talk about easy life. You need to STFU before you shove your keyboard deeper into your mouth...

So, before I'll take a lecture about how rough life can be from you, you'd better grow up enough to at least be in long pants.
Daddy put you through school?

Which was in response to this "highly offensive" post...

If you seriously think you live under a Nazi regime, then you have obviously led a very easy and sheltered life, and probably haven't had to overcome any kind of real challenges in life other than trying to figure out how to not take responsibility for your own actions.

Do you even know what the hell a Nazi is? I dare you to go up to a Holocaust survivor, or a POW survivor and try to explain to them how your life right now is just as bad as their was while they were in Nazi Germany.

You don't have to like this guy, a lot of people don't, But to trivialize all the victims of one of history's greatest horrors by saying you've got it just as bad, is ridiculous. Another good read: "Combine 13," by Clifford Hopewell (my grandfather).

Bush may suck, but he is not a Nazi, and you don't have it that bad.

Not to mention the numerous unprovoked swipes he took at Sarge. Anyone surprised who got really personal and really nasty in that thread? I think my first impression of you was spot on SDVM!

[Bkcloud114]

I think that the "Politics" forum should be removed and the discussion of politics on this BB should be banned....

[cinda]

I think that the "Politics" forum should be removed and the discussion of politics on this BB should be banned....

I agree....take politics off and add the music forum because so many of you guys are posting stuff about music make it a special category.

[Locard]

I think that the "Politics" forum should be removed and the discussion of politics on this BB should be banned....

To me, this seems like an interesting idea to pursue. I like the idea of closing it, but hate the fact that we would not be able to discuss "current events"(Don't know if that could be a thread without the same result as "Politics").

I have been a member here since SDVM joined, he was welcomed with open arms; and quite a few people have used his services/advice regarding animals...as well as cigars. I may not post much, but I do read quite a bit. (I mostly don't post because of where and what I am doing). BPP has written and been in many threads/posts that are important to this site, and I for one, enjoy the knowledge that he brings. And I have seen CNB around.

I have never talked (PM) or really posted a response to any of these guys, I don't choose sides on this political discussion or defend/owe allegiance to anyone, but I do think this site would suffer from any of them leaving.

Ultimately "Politics" is causing this rift, so I would rather see that go than see a ban pole for members. If for whatever reason that does not work, than the board should go from there.

By the way, I rarely even read the politics thread because it appears to only cause trouble. But that by no means is an indication of my interest in politics, just that I am here for cigars, and have no interest in debating my political beliefs...

[heftysmokes]

I, like many of the guys on here, try to stay out of the politics section. But I think Hex's original intentions with the Politics forum was to air board politics, such as banning, problems with trades, etc, not "which party houses the biggest assholes."

That being said, I don't think the politics forum should be removed, I just think it should be used in the manner in which it was originally intended.

I also don't think threads should be locked or deleted, and I feel that no moderator should be elected to sort these things out. This board is member moderated and I think that is one of the (many) great things about it. Nobody has to worry about where a moderator's allegiances lie.

[cigar no baka]

Post #6



CNB did not post between that post and this post.

Post #37




Between those posts, the only thing that could be taken as an insult was post #31.



Post #32 by Shelby was a little on edge as well.

CNB didn't post again until post #41.



Which was clearly in response to post #37.

Now, Sid, if you can take a second away from you blind, misguided rage, please show me where CNB started it?

Of course, we could discuss the fact that SDVM can't make a post without insulting someone, whether on the forum or a political figure. Repugs, Pukes, etc....

Of course, for the real name calling, we need not look any further than post # 68.



Which was in response to this "highly offensive" post...



Not to mention the numerous unprovoked swipes he took at Sarge. Anyone surprised who got really personal and really nasty in that thread? I think my first impression of you was spot on SDVM!

Good points there Shagaroo, you're a stand up guy, I appreciate the support. I guess Sid and Barry will never "get it" that they came here and started a flame war about politics by ragging on Repugs until they got some of us to respond.

[bigpoppapuff]

Good points there Shagaroo, you're a stand up guy, any chance of my licking the crack of your ass? I appreciate the support. I guess Sid and Barry will never "get it" that they came here and started a flame war about politics by ragging on Repugs until they got some of us to respond.

yes you did.....hey ladybaka...am i still on ignore??...

[SmokinDVM]

Post #6



CNB did not post between that post and this post.

Post #37




Between those posts, the only thing that could be taken as an insult was post #31.



Post #32 by Shelby was a little on edge as well.

CNB didn't post again until post #41.



Which was clearly in response to post #37.

Now, Sid, if you can take a second away from you blind, misguided rage, please show me where CNB started it?

Of course, we could discuss the fact that SDVM can't make a post without insulting someone, whether on the forum or a political figure. Repugs, Pukes, etc....

Of course, for the real name calling, we need not look any further than post # 68.



Which was in response to this "highly offensive" post...



Not to mention the numerous unprovoked swipes he took at Sarge. Anyone surprised who got really personal and really nasty in that thread? I think my first impression of you was spot on SDVM!

Start a ban poll then.

BTW, point out where I took "numerous unprovoked swipes" at cigarsarge.

How about this; If you're not adult enough to suppress the need to froth at the mouth and pound on your keyboard, stay out of political discussions.

[Shagaroo]

Start a ban poll then.

BTW, point out where I took "numerous unprovoked swipes" at cigarsarge.

How about this; If you're not adult enough to suppress the need to froth at the mouth and pound on your keyboard, stay out of political discussions.

Post #81

You've been so indoctrinated by the repukes constant harping about those damned liberals, you can't see the pubes stabbing you in the back. Nor, it seams, do you care.

Post #92

Actually, you've misunderstood my post, AGAIN. Maybe a remedial course on reading comprehension is in order?
What was said: If you, and your rrw fearmongering masters, are so afraid of the terrorists attacking you in your home, repeal the fucking bullshit patriot act, and build yourselves a deep bunker to move into instead. That way the rest of us, who have a pair swinging, don't have to give up our Constitutional Rights just for a bunch of pussies.
And, if the shoe fits, wear it.

#131

Talk about childish.

Typical neocon. When you can't think of any more idiotic rationalizations for stupid actions, you cry "whiney liberal", or arrogant, or you whine how the liberals just hate all the time. BULLSHIT!

The childish, whiney, thin skinned babies are the neocons. Examples provided above.

Feel free to search out more, they are easy to find, just look up your posts.

By the way, you are the one frothing at the mouth here. But good luck convincing others it's not you.

[cigarsarge]

Looks like DVM has a different version of what really was said...Or maybe he takes swipes a people so often he dosen't realize it...Or maybe he is just plain mean spirited.

I think the latter is closest to the truth. Personally I've had enough of his hate filled messages. Almost every post he made recently has a "Look at me, I can shout louder than you" tone to it. He is one of the most immature people I've come across in awhile.

I'm starting to find him quite commical.

[SmokinDVM]

Post #81

Was in response to both post #72

Just curious DVM...What rights have you personally lost? I'm still living my life the way I was before Bush.

I still move around the country feely, I tote my gun around. I voice my opinion without repercussion from the government.

What would we loose if liberals had their way all the time? Checks and balances do work.

One more thing I've noticed about liberals...When they get on the defensive they tend to call names and shout just as you have done to WW. You have no clue as to his what he has gone through in his life. If you can't dazzle em with brillance...Baffle em with bullshit.

WW is obviously pretty intelllegent and studied. He did not taunt you. he showed you respect...Just differed in opinion.

Your attitude is common of liberals. That is the reason I'll never understand em.

I pay attention...Very close attention.

And post #78

Post #92

In response to post #91 et al.

I just re-read the the Patroit Act that Barry says takes our personal freedoms away. It does not authorize any intrusion into citizens lifes.

It does allow for civil penalties if the courts feel it has been done. It does allow the government to take steps to protect our way of life. It is not a perfect document...But it is a good start.

Barry... WW did not give a backhanded slap at you...But you seem to pass them out on a regular basis. Nobody has brought name calling into this except you. You may have gone to college...But you flunked People Skills 101.

You also made the statment lets build bunkers to keep the boogieman out. Well my friend...Nobody else here has been running around saying the sky is falling except you. Guess you better build one.

#131

In response to post #130

It seems to liberalism is just an attempt to make reckless or bad behavior accepable and to use the constitution as they see fit.

Barry...The typical liberal... Reminds me of a small child that gets caught misbehaving and will say or do anything to justify what he has done.

cigar no baka is dead on in his comment about Barry. Barry is more interested in being arrogant than trying to get his point across...In reality he has no point...Only hostility toward anyone that chooses to debate him.

Feel free to search out more, they are easy to find, just look up your posts.

Like I posted, NO UNPROVOKED attacks. You might try reading the WHOLE thread, not just my posts.

By the way, you are the one frothing at the mouth here. But good luck convincing others it's not you.

BTW, you need to go wipe off your chin, and while you're at it, you should probably empty your drool cup.

Looks like DVM has a different version of what really was said...Or maybe he takes swipes a people so often he dosen't realize it...Or maybe he is just plain mean spirited.

Or maybe you, and your bud shagaroo, have trouble following a numbered thread. Typical neocons. No wonder you all love dumbya so much, you look up to him because he's soo much smarter than you.

Personally I've had enough of his hate filled messages. Almost every post he made recently has a "Look at me, I can shout louder than you" tone to it. He is one of the most immature people I've come across in awhile.

Look who the drama queen is. Oh, help me, that mean SDVM is picking on me Every time I post something stupid, he points it out Oh, he's such a bully

I'm starting to find him quite commical.

No one is as comical as you repug crybabies.

[cigarsarge]

Resolution: STOP CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES IT ONLY LEADS TO MORE NAME CALLING



If you don't agree with me fine I have no problem hearing your opinion just please use logic and refrain from deragatory name calling

Well said...That's exactly the point I've been trying to express. We all have different points of views...I respect that. When you resort to name calling of members that have a different point of view as yours it does not better your position.

[bigpoppapuff]

i called him names and will continue to prove a point...he stated he was putting me and barry on ignore...spineless femme couldn't do it........he made it personal in other ways that i won't discuss...fuck him!!!

[mauied1101]

Resolution: STOP CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES IT ONLY LEADS TO MORE NAME CALLING

I say put a new rule together: For example pick a volunteer moderator. If anyone calls anyone else a deragatory name the person called has the right to report the problem to the moderator. Moderator will look into the problem and has a right to warn one or all parties to the argument -- sort of a yellow card if you will --- get 2 yellow cards and get 30 day ban for things to cool off; get a another yellow card when you come back = 90 day ban; get another upon return and you have a life time ban. MAy seemkind of harsh but it will resolve the problem

Let the admin come up with an exact definition of what will be considered a violation in this case.

I like the idea (or a variation of it). All this (attention) detracts from the site and gives it a reputation it might not want. No opinion on person(s) as a whole - but I miss the days where cigar reviews, trades, and passes ran supreme.