I don't believe it

[Desert Rat]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080700189.html

The above article from the Wahington Post cites a Harris poll conducted July 21, 2006 that found 50% of Americans believe Iraq had WMD's at the time of the 2003 American invasion.

All of America has been given this information (cited in the article):
"After a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under U.N. oversight".

How can the poll results be real?
No weapons program has been found in Iraq.
No documents regarding WMD production has been found.
No weapons stockpiles have been found.
The Iraq army didn't use any in the brief war.
Al Qaeda hasn't used any.
Iraqi insurgents haven't used any.
Hezbollah hasen't used any.
No terrorist organization has used any.

And yet 50% of America believes there were WMD's in Iraq?????????????????????



Discuss

[WhiteWidow]

I don't want to take the chance any of these crazies has that stuff, so I say we kill them first just in case.

[SmokinDVM]

Like the bumper sticker says: Stupidity Should Be Painful
and then there's: If Ignorance is Bliss, Why Aren't More People Happy?

The last election proved to me that there are a lot of idiots in America. Don't get me wrong, I hope Israel wipes Hezbollah off the map. But our current administration doesn't seem to be able to tell the truth or have a vision for the future. Duh! Global warmin isn't real???!!! What kind of IDIOT would believe that we have not screwed up the planet?

And don't even get me started on the "conservative" thing. Our deficit is what??????? How many spending bills have been vetoed?

a "conservative" Democrat,

You should watch out claiming you're a Democrat on this bb. You'll get the neocons panties all in a bunch.



That poll just proves how stupid people in this Country really are. If the "foxperts" repeat the neocon talking points enough times, all the sheeple believe them.
Check out a the "Middle East" thread. There's at least one person on this bb that believes the Iraqi's had WMD's.

[WhiteWidow]

I personally do not care about global warming because I want to move to space anyway.

[jaewing]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080700189.html

The above article from the Wahington Post cites a Harris poll conducted July 21, 2006 that found 50% of Americans believe Iraq had WMD's at the time of the 2003 American invasion.

All of America has been given this information (cited in the article):
"After a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under U.N. oversight".

How can the poll results be real?
No weapons program has been found in Iraq.
No documents regarding WMD production has been found.
No weapons stockpiles have been found.
The Iraq army didn't use any in the brief war.
Al Qaeda hasn't used any.
Iraqi insurgents haven't used any.
Hezbollah hasen't used any.
No terrorist organization has used any.

And yet 50% of America believes there were WMD's in Iraq?????????????????????



Discuss

Maybe you ought to READ more and do more research before you quote Democrat "talking points" and claim to have all the facts. Check this out from June 21, 2006.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50746

Maybe you would like to print a retraction to your original thread?

Funny how all the bad news makes headlines and the news of progress and victory is conveniently ignored by the media and the Dems. What is their agenda?

[nhcigarfan]

I personally do not care about global warming because I want to move to space anyway.

I with you man.

[SmokinDVM]

Maybe you ought to READ more and do more research before you quote Democrat "talking points" and claim to have all the facts. Check this out from June 21, 2006.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50746

Maybe you would like to print a retraction to your original thread?

Funny how all the bad news makes headlines and the news of progress and victory is conveniently ignored by the media and the Dems. What is their agenda?

Yep, this was all real dangerous shit they were hiding.

Weapons of Mass Destruction? More like weapons of no destruction.
That stuff was soooo old it was useless. It wouldn't have been able to injure a gnat, even if it was dropped directly on its head.



Score one for the noepukes

[bluesman455]

Would you still want Saddam in power now? We nipped it in the bud. But it's time to get out.

[SmokinDVM]

Would you still want Saddam in power now? We nipped it in the bud. But it's time to get out.

Would I still want Saddam in power?

If it meant avoiding a staggering and useless loss of life, avoiding de-stabilizing the Middle East effectively handing over control to Iran, and avoiding the neopuke party using the Iraq war as an excuse to take no real steps in protecting US Citizens at home and actually abuse their Constitutionally protected rights...HELL YES I'd rather still have Saddam in power.

BTW, it's waaay past time to get out.

[Desert Rat]

Maybe you ought to READ more and do more research before you quote Democrat "talking points" and claim to have all the facts. Check this out from June 21, 2006.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50746

Maybe you would like to print a retraction to your original thread?

Funny how all the bad news makes headlines and the news of progress and victory is conveniently ignored by the media and the Dems. What is their agenda?

1) The Washington Post article is not a Democrat, Republican, or Greenpeace Party "talking point". It cites the results of the US Military investigation.

2) The WorldNetDaily article you cited refers to "degraded munitions". Degraded means no worky, dud, not a problem. The small number of degraded munitions found in Iraq were refered to in the Washington Post article:

"But the Pentagon and outside experts stressed that these abandoned shells, many found in ones and twos, were 15 years old or more, their chemical contents were degraded, and they were unusable as artillery ordnance. Since the 1990s, such "orphan" munitions, from among 160,000 made by Iraq and destroyed, have turned up on old battlefields and elsewhere in Iraq, ex-inspectors say. In other words, this was no surprise."

I see that you are among the 50% who cannot, or will not face the facts.

[Kenyth]

Hell, I never believed WMD's were the real reason from the get go. Getting a military foothold in the middle east because of oil concerns is my guess. Anyone who thinks the US is "pulling out" isn't really thinking. It's the new South Korea IMHO. A personal grudge because the Saddam regeime tried to assasinate his dad probably plays a part too.

Though we've been duped, I can't say I'm sad to see Saddam go. His regieme was very cruel and sadistic. Rape, murder, and torture without repercussion were rights many of them seemed to enjoy regularly.

Not to be callous about the loss of life, but we'd be there sooner or later because of oil anyway. Much more of the world is moving to fossil fuels, and it's only going to get worse. If you think they're all not willing to fight for it, you're nuts.

[SmokinDVM]

The point is, the WMD angle was just another lie by the chickenhawk in charge. Only the very gullible were fooled by that line as a reason to attack Iraq. Now only the feeble-minded still believe it.

As far as Saddam goes, I don't give a shit about him. But, far less suffering, on both sides, would have occurred had he been left as he was.


If we spent half as much money and energy on alternative energy sources as we've spent on this stupid "war", we would have no need for those fossil fuels. Why do we waste time chasing oil around the world when we could remove ourselves from the game altogether?

Did you see the new electric car that's being released by a U.S. company in CA, that gets 250 miles to a charge, and will do 120+mph and goes from 0-60 in about 4 seconds?

[stjohnroe]

I have an issue with Darwinistic evolution being banned from schools in favour of creationism (drop the a and the o of the latter if you prefer)

Disclaimer: View from the UK

[SmokinDVM]

I have an issue with Darwinistic evolution being banned from schools in favour of creationism (drop the a and the o of the latter if you prefer)

Disclaimer: View from the UK

No argument here.

[Shelby07]

The point is, the WMD angle was just another lie by the chickenhawk in charge. Only the very gullible were fooled by that line as a reason to attack Iraq....

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983" - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb
18,1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." >- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
..
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real"
-
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[WhiteWidow]

I think it is funny how he was too much of a pussy to even shoot himself before the guys from Ft Hood snagged him out of his little shithole in the ground.

[Desert Rat]

THANK YOU Shelby!

Your post is the perfect extension of the point I am trying to make:

Democrat or Republican, the American people should be standing up and asking our "leaders", WTF are you guys doing?

Saddam never was a direct, right now, in-your-face threat to America.

We have sent hundreds of thousands of our men and women into harms way for NOTHING.

And yet 50% of the people polled still want to cling to a "bogey-man".

I want to vote for the man who stands up and says:

"OK America, heres are the real reasons we are in Iraq: we want control of thier oil, we want to maintain strategic air and ground bases in Iraq, we want secret control of the emerging Iraqi government. We want to be in a strategic position to nuke Iran, North Korea, and maybe Pakistan and Syria if needed, the real threats."

Now give me a man like that, and I will grumble about the war and argue about it, but at least there would be a reason to be in Iraq.

To go there shouting "War on terrorism", "Saddam is a threat", and "Weapons of mass destruction", is an insult to the American people and our armed forces.

That rant was kinda fun

.

[WhiteWidow]

"OK America, heres are the real reasons we are in Iraq: we want control of thier oil, we want to maintain strategic air and ground bases in Iraq, we want secret control of the emerging Iraqi government. We want to be in a strategic position to nuke Iran, North Korea, and maybe Pakistan and Syria if needed, the real threats."


[/I]

That would be nice but if we had someone that said that everyone including the UN probably would bitch about it.

[SmokinDVM]

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983" - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb
18,1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." >- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
..
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real"
-
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

#1.) CLINTON NEVER INVADED IRAQ!! Why is it that the neocons can't get through one complete thought without trying to tie Clinton into it? I find it extremely funny that they are so consumed with hate for old BJ Bill.

#2.) All the rest of those quotes from the Democrats, many of whom are only marginally better than the neopukes, were all based on intelligence reports fabricated, filtered, and eventually provided to them by and at the direction of dumbya and the rest of the chickenhawk neopukes.
I know this is info that hasn't been broadcast on the fox network, but please try to keep up...Dumbya, Darth Cheney, Rice-a-foni, the Rummy, and the original house minority Colon Powerless, stood in front of Congress, and the rest of the U.S. AND LIED.
So, those quotes really don't pertain to the discussion at hand.

Got anything more up to date?

[Shelby07]

#1.)

...based on intelligence reports fabricated, filtered, and eventually provided to them by and at the direction of dumbya and the rest of the chickenhawk neopukes.

Just curious here. I have heard this rhetoric over and over and political spin alleging this, but I have never seen anything in the form of concrete evidence, official reports or documents, formal charges or even allegations by the news media stating that Bush fabricated or filtered anything. Can you provide?

EDIT: BTW - I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here. Nor am I trying to tie Clinton into anything. The statements in my posts were made by the very people who are now saying that we had no reason to go into Iraq. Ranting aside, you seem to be well informed about "your side." If there is some concrete evidence that I have missed, I would like to see it. I am not adverse to having my mind changed if it is warranted. But so far, I have not seen anything from either party that doesn't fit into the category of political positioning. I have my views and opinions, but I really am not left with much after filtering out the spin doctors, empty suits and talking heads. As I've stated in the past, my position is with a platform, not a person. I have, however, come to the conclusion that the democratic spin doctors are much more vicious and free with the allegations than the republicans, although the republican party has done its fair share of stretching things. Politics is, after all, a business and it seems to me that the country as of late has been run more like the NFL than a government trying to do what is best for the people.