Can SOME of the FOGS PLEASE....

[Shelby07]

I read your post and although I'm not a FOG I have just bowed out of the thread. You are right, it has gotten out of hand and I apologize for my part.

Stick around.

[prophetic_joe]

This thread is probably the best thread I've read on here in the past couple of days.

Sorry George and Bill I like you both a lot but you guys and Sid and Barry all just need to knock this crap off. I had a lot of respect for all of you but since this whole situation came up I've lost a bit of it. One of you be the man and just let it fucking go, don't post again saying you're walking away just walk away and don't respond anymore who cares if the other guy thinks he's won? Make this site a better place and everybody just STFU for a bit.

Good thread Loudpipes stick around.

[stjohnroe]

+1

[CoventryCat86]

This thread is probably the best thread I've read on here in the past couple of days.

Sorry George and Bill I like you both a lot but you guys and Sid and Barry all just need to knock this crap off. I had a lot of respect for all of you but since this whole situation came up I've lost a bit of it. One of you be the man and just let it fucking go, don't post again saying you're walking away just walk away and don't respond anymore who cares if the other guy thinks he's won? Make this site a better place and everybody just STFU for a bit.

Good thread Loudpipes stick around.

Oh now that sounds just ducky doesn't it? There's a huge problem with Barry that's been brewing pretty much since the day he got here and quite a few people are sick and tired of it. Barry feels that it's "okay" to be hateful, vulgar, insulting, offensive and downright rude defending it by claiming its his right to "free speech" with his Scotty-type mentality and actions.

Yep, let's just follow your advice and ignore it nate, sounds good to me. Hiding your head in the sand and ignoring the problems don't make them go away. You may be williing to do that but I'm not and if you want to lose repsect for me over that than that's your choice. I offer that in my opinion, you're proposed course of action (which is to just "SFTU") won't "make this site a better place" but will on the contrary make it even worse.

[prophetic_joe]

Oh now that sounds just ducky doesn't it? There's a huge problem with Barry that's been brewing pretty much since the day he got here and quite a few people are sick and tired of it. Barry feels that it's "okay" to be hateful, vulgar, insulting, offensive and downright rude defending it by claiming its his right to "free speech" with his Scotty-type mentality and actions.

Yep, let's just follow your advice and ignore it nate, sounds good to me. Hiding your head in the sand and ignoring the problems don't make them go away. You may be williing to do that but I'm not and if you want to lose repsect for me over that than that's your choice. I offer that in my opinion, you're proposed course of action (which is to just "SFTU") won't "make this site a better place" but will on the contrary make it even worse.

Bill what it really comes down to is this, all four of you that are involved in this right now are wrong.

Barry has come off as a real asshole in almost all of the political posts he has made and has actually only made me, who was probably going to vote democrat think maybe of doing otherwise. He's come off as just as hateful and ignorant as the republicans he claims are stupid fucktards.

Sid has also come off poorly as well. He shares the same view as Barry in political situations and jumps on anyone who disagrees with just as rude and disrespectful a message, and then when someone calls either one of them on it he just turns downright nasty.

George following people around making snyde comments or starting immature threads? I thought he was much better than that.

Here's the deal though, do you really think you're coming off all that much better? You've been just as opinionated and just as mean about expressing it at times as they have. Your tone quite often is just plain condensending, read your post to me we're supposed to be buddies and you're slightly condensending there even. If you can honestly look over all of your response post and find absolutely nothing wrong with them I commend you because you must be a better man than me.

Sure ducking your head in the sand won't make it go away but really has all the bitching and arguing actually made it better either? You're fooling yourself if you think it has. Shit man I'd rather have to ignore one guy over four.

[Loudpipes78]

Bill what it really comes down to is this, all four of you that are involved in this right now are wrong.

Barry has come off as a real asshole in almost all of the political posts he has made and has actually only made me, who was probably going to vote democrat think maybe of doing otherwise. He's come off as just as hateful and ignorant as the republicans he claims are stupid fucktards.

Sid has also come off poorly as well. He shares the same view as Barry in political situations and jumps on anyone who disagrees with just as rude and disrespectful a message, and then when someone calls either one of them on it he just turns downright nasty.

George following people around making snyde comments or starting immature threads? I thought he was much better than that.

Here's the deal though, do you really think you're coming off all that much better? You've been just as opinionated and just as mean about expressing it at times as they have. Your tone quite often is just plain condensending, read your post to me we're supposed to be buddies and you're slightly condensending there even. If you can honestly look over all of your response post and find absolutely nothing wrong with them I commend you because you must be a better man than me.

Sure ducking your head in the sand won't make it go away but really has all the bitching and arguing actually made it better either? You're fooling yourself if you think it has. Shit man I'd rather have to ignore one guy over four.

Damn... I didn't think they grew them that smart in Iowa (that's a joke coming from a product of Florida's school systems so hopefully you're laughing even harder now.)

Quoted For Truth

Very well said.

[CoventryCat86]

Bill what it really comes down to is this, all four of you that are involved in this right now are wrong.

Barry has come off as a real asshole in almost all of the political posts he has made and has actually only made me, who was probably going to vote democrat think maybe of doing otherwise. He's come off as just as hateful and ignorant as the republicans he claims are stupid fucktards.

Sid has also come off poorly as well. He shares the same view as Barry in political situations and jumps on anyone who disagrees with just as rude and disrespectful a message, and then when someone calls either one of them on it he just turns downright nasty.

George following people around making snyde comments or starting immature threads? I thought he was much better than that.

Here's the deal though, do you really think you're coming off all that much better? You've been just as opinionated and just as mean about expressing it at times as they have. Your tone quite often is just plain condensending, read your post to me we're supposed to be buddies and you're slightly condensending there even. If you can honestly look over all of your response post and find absolutely nothing wrong with them I commend you because you must be a better man than me.

Sure ducking your head in the sand won't make it go away but really has all the bitching and arguing actually made it better either? You're fooling yourself if you think it has. Shit man I'd rather have to ignore one guy over four.

Well Nate, I was a little on the nasty side in my reply to you because I don't honestly know how you or anyone else can commend this loudpipe charachter the way you did:

Good thread Loudpipes stick around.

His crap is a direct slap at not just me but others involved in the underlying issue which is Barry's nasty, rude, vulgar, offensive, hate filled posts in the political forum and the subsequent discussions which have followed that. I'm taking issue with it and I don't like it, neither does George nor CNB and a couple of others who I highly respect around here who have chosen not to get in the line of fire because they don't want to take the heat from Barry and Sid and that's fine. Now because Geroge, CNB and I choose to get involve, we don't need some noob like loudpipe here ordering us around and if you're going to give him a back slap and a high five for that, you're going to piss me off.

As far as being condscending to you on other occasions, can you please quote those posts for me so I can address them? I would like to resolve that issue with you.

Regarding this statement:

do you really think you're coming off all that much better?

Unlike Sid and Barry who think this is some kind of a contest, I'm not trying to come off better or worse than anyone else. I'm stating my opinions and my objections and taking issue with others who are posting things that I feel should be taken issue with. And oh no Nate, I have never been anywhere

just as mean

as Barry has whatsoever.

[ggiese]

Hmmmm..... Still impressed with your post, LoudPipes.

But - apparently it's falling on deaf ears. Barry and Sid don't see anything wrong with the present situation. As a matter of fact - Sid has been stepping it up and Barry thinks Bill and I are the root of all evil... Imagine that...

I understand your angst with the present situation. I'm equially frustrated. It really does need to resolve itself. Unfortunately, talking till your blue in the face about people knocking it off is not going to do it. I tried that - it doesn't work...


edited to add...

The sad part of this, LoudPipes - I misjudged a coupla people on this board. I thought they were something else other than what they truly are. I usually don't fall for that kind of shill game, but I apparently bought this one hook - line - and sinker. And I feel REAL foolish right now...

As far as this board? Trust me - it will survive despite the words flying around right now. You've only been here a short time and missed quite a few dust ups - this really is nothing in comparison. Hex really does run a first class operation...


I only wish I would have seen it earlier...

[prophetic_joe]

His crap is a direct slap at not just me but others involved in the underlying issue which is Barry's nasty, rude, vulgar, offensive, hate filled posts in the political forum and the subsequent discussions which have followed that. I'm taking issue with it and I don't like it, neither does George nor CNB and a couple of others who I highly respect around here who have chosen not to get in the line of fire because they don't want to take the heat from Barry and Sid and that's fine. Now because Geroge, CNB and I choose to get involve, we don't need some noob like loudpipe here ordering us around and if you're going to give him a back slap and a high five for that, you're going to piss me off.

You show me once is his first post of the thread where he took sides in this issue or pointed fingers at anyone besides making a broad statement that any reasonable person would recognise to include everyone involved in this situation and I'll agree with this statement. Trouble is Bill that you can't, so I fail to see how this was a direct slap in any particular face. It seemed more to me to be a guy seeing his buddy's fighting about something stupid and tried to do something about it.

..... [STOP ACTING LIKE FUCKING ASSHATS!!!!!!!


I was warned before coming onto this board to try to be a cool newb, not ask stupid questions, respect the FOGS cuz they know what they're talking about, and to try to soak in as much knowledge as possible. I did that and felt like I had found a good home till the last day or so.


Y'all can keep saying there is a ton of cigar stuff going on and blah blah blah but right now it's like being at a party and having a couple fight in the corner. No matter how kick ass the party is you still hear that couple going back and forth like cats and dogs even if it is off to the side in the other room. You can blare the music louder but you'll still hear them in between songs or still see their actions. I don't know how else to explain it.

Honestly seeing grown ass adults acting like this is pathetic, I'm on some boards where the core member is 18-21 so I'm kind of used to this shit but coming on here I was expecting an older more mature crowd which I found originally but after reading some of this crap... well... get the fuck over yourselves, seriously. As a newb I now have concerns about some of the passes, etc. the actions of a few in a small area of the forum is wrecking the reputation of the majority. I had a split offer all typed up this afternoon and deleted it, why, because I don't know who I can trust. Everyone seemed real cool but true colors are shining through and that put a lot of doubt in my mind. FOG on FOG hate isn't helping anyone and if a handful of FOGS are going at it that have been around each other for a while what's going to happen if I slightly mis-step?

I guess that's it.... I'll end my lil' rant now.]

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And I did not say that you've been condesending to me on other occasions I said you have been condesending on other occasions. It's just not a trait I admire, I think there are much better ways to get a point across.

And as far as the statement of you being just as mean I guess that's just a matter of opinion. The truth is I expected all of you to handle situations like this in a much more mature fashion and have since been disappointed. If having that opinion makes you lose respect for me or makes anyone else lose respect for me so be it that just goes to show we weren't that good of friends to begin with. I just thought you and George were better than all of this.

[CoventryCat86]

You show me once is his first post of the thread where he took sides in this issue or pointed fingers at anyone besides making a broad statement that any reasonable person would recognise to include everyone involved in this situation and I'll agree with this statement. Trouble is Bill that you can't, so I fail to see how this was a direct slap in any particular face. It seemed more to me to be a guy seeing his buddy's fighting about something stupid and tried to do something about it.



And I did not say that you've been condesending to me on other occasions I said you have been condesending on other occasions. It's just not a trait I admire, I think there are much better ways to get a point across.

And as far as the statement of you being just as mean I guess that's just a matter of opinion. The truth is I expected all of you to handle situations like this in a much more mature fashion and have since been disappointed. If having that opinion makes you lose respect for me or makes anyone else lose respect for me so be it that just goes to show we weren't that good of friends to begin with. I just thought you and George were better than all of this.

Well I don't agree with your opinion at all and in my opinion, I don't think you're going to find many who will agree with you on that one.

You and loudpipe may think the argument is "about something stupid" but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many members here to conclude it's just some minor, little insignificant "stupid" issue. Once again, the root cause of the problem here is Barry and his vulgar, nasty, hate-filled, offensive, rude, over the top comments he posts on a regular basis in the political forum. You said this:

Barry has come off as a real asshole in almost all of the political posts he has made and has actually only made me, who was probably going to vote democrat think maybe of doing otherwise. He's come off as just as hateful and ignorant as the republicans he claims are stupid fucktards.

which I agree with wholeheartedly!

Now since this community has had this serious problem for quite some time, I finally had enough and I'll be the first to admit, I lost my cool because I finally had seen enough of this behavior which has been going on pretty much ever since he got here. Some of us had comminicated behind the scenes and Sid offered to impress upon Barry that he should "tone it down" and he didn't heed those warnings. Hex asked Barry to "tone it down" and once again, he ignored that request. Not only did he ignore those requests, he brought it up a notch with his "die" kitten avatar. Several members asked Hex to start a ban poll which you'd think might make him realize that he should straighten up but no, if anything he got even worse.

So here we are, a major dust up and his behavior has barely changed. I dunno Nate, do you have any suggestions because in my opinion, Barry's behavior and attitude is still a major area of concern on this board.

Again, if you've got some ideas, I'm all ears.

[CoventryCat86]

I read your post and although I'm not a FOG I have just bowed out of the thread. You are right, it has gotten out of hand and I apologize for my part.

Stick around.

LMFAO!! You "bowed out" before but couldn't help yourself and jumped right back in with both feet. When I respond with reasonable arguments, you ignore them only to respond with more BS.

And when you "bowed out" ten minutes before making this post here, your tone was pretty far from concilatory in fact it was downright offensive and only looking to keep your losing battle going. My guess is once you realized you were badly losing your debate you then switched gears opting to "bow out" rather than try to continue to defend your indefensible arguments. Your integrity is very questionable with those tactics shelby.......

[Loudpipes78]

LMFAO!! You "bowed out" before but couldn't help yourself and jumped right back in with both feet. When I respond with reasonable arguments, you ignore them only to respond with more BS.

And when you "bowed out" ten minutes before making this post here, your tone was pretty far from concilatory in fact it was downright offensive and only looking to keep your losing battle going. My guess is once you realized you were badly losing your debate you then switched gears opting to "bow out" rather than try to continue to defend your indefensible arguments. Your integrity is very questionable with those tactics shelby.......

OR.... he made that post and then read this thread and responded. For the record it was actually 15 minutes in between posts.

Not saying it went this way or your way and I really don't care I just want everyone to get over it and move on. Whatever the reason for his bowing out of thread at least he did, unlike you.

[CoventryCat86]

OR.... he made that post and then read this thread and responded. For the record it was actually 15 minutes in between posts.

Not saying it went this way or your way and I really don't care I just want everyone to get over it and move on. Whatever the reason for his bowing out of thread at least he did, unlike you.

Sorry loudpipe but his posting a "parting shot" and turning around immediately claiming that he's taking the high road by "bowing out" (in the same thread, not here) is duplicitous.

If someone is trying to claim the high ground, it goes something like this:

"Well, this situation is unfortuante, there are differences of opinions and I'm bowing out."

Now, if someone is being duplicitous, they do this:

OK - I'm gettin'; kinda pissed at being dragged into a side in this discussion. Do this, and do it now. Take a look at my posts again. Scroll through and read each one. Just read my posts without reading any of the twists and turns that were not put there by me. My avitar is easy to pick out. It won't take long, I didn't post that many articles. Tell me where I said anything in Barry or Sid's defense, except that I didn't want to see him, or anyone for that matter. banned. Hell, I even included you in that statement.

My first post starts on page 5. First I voted no on the ban, then stated an opinion on politics and said that both Baka and SDVM had toned it down. I was told by Bill and Baka that my facts were wrong and that Barry really never toned it down. Well, I thought he did, but how you took that as a statement of fact, I'll never understand. It's purely objective, and a statement like that can't ever be taken any other way by any sane, logical individual. Then I started getting questions thrown at me while I was at work and told that my opinion on the political system in this country is wrong. When I came home I answered the questions. but I did take exception to being told that my opinions were being corrected by someone who, I guess, was supposed to be smarter than me. Then the one directional name calling began (the direction being from you to me.) After that there were a few more tongue-in-cheek posts and I became a "Barry's boy." Even then I really didn't get upset. I was actually kind of expecting it. I remember what you did to NullSmurf. He ended up not answering you, but just felt bad enough to leave. Well, Bill, ya got him, but I ain't him.

Bill, I am not commenting on Sid or Barry or George because they never asked me anything or challenged my opinions or asked for clarification of my posts the way you did. I never stood for any side other than my own. I never said Barry and Sid were good and you were bad, but somehow that's what it's turned into in your mind. All I did was disagree with you, but I guess I'm not allowed to do that without being grouped in with your "enemies." Yes, I am friendly with Sid and chat with him on the phone. He helped me out when I first joined the board and we get along well. But I fail to see how that has anything to do with what went on here. And Barry and I have never met or even spoken on the phone. We had some discussions in the political forum and we clearly don't see eye to eye, but I never tried to agitate him and he never verbally abused me. In fact, I am beginning to see that some of what he said about the war in Iraq is starting to be admitted to by the current administration. It was a discussion. As for George, I have nothing but the utmost respect for him, but I guess in your mind I should hate hime because he and Sid are having a spiff. I hope they can work it out, but they are big boys and can speak for themselves, as I speak for myself.

I must say, I am starting to get a bit pissed about being dragged into a "side" on this issue. I speak for myself and no one else. Believe me, I respect Barry, Sid, George and Baka enough that I don't feel I have to speak for them. If you don't like the fact that I replied to your allegations and questions, too fucking bad. If you don't want to hear the answer to a question, then don't ask it.

To the rest of you, I apologize for fanning the fire. Bill, I know you are going to reply to this post, so give it your best shot and say anything you want to. Twist what I said in any way you want to, tell me how wrong I am, call me some more names and swear a bit more at me. In my mind, you're not important enough to give a rat's ass. But realize that the rest of the members on this board can go back and read my posts. too. Have all the fun you want to because there will be no reply. If I did answer it would just get twisted into something I never said. So take advantage of it while you can.

By the way, this thread was a banning poll for SDVM. The poll is over. He wasn't banned. The thread should be done.

[Loudpipes78]

Sorry loudpipe but his posting a "parting shot" and turning around immediately claiming that he's taking the high road by "bowing out" (in the same thread, not here) is duplicitous.

If someone is trying to claim the high ground, it goes something like this:

"Well, this situation is unfortuante, there are differences of opinions and I'm bowing out."

Now, if someone is being duplicitous, they do this:

OH I SEE THE LIGHT NOW!!!! PRAISE JESUS!!!!!

That's your opinion... others opinions vary... that's what's great about this country and the interwebnets it's a place to share opinions and EVERYONE is entitled to their own. It seems to me that a few people around here are trying to INFLICT their opinion on others that don't want to change their current view AND WON'T LET IT GO. It's really funny to me how a few of the key players in this have gotten quiet and moved on while 2 others just keep it going on and on and on while in some cases even spreading their bull shit caustic crap into other areas of the board. to them.

[Shelby07]

Mike, I know it's hard to do but just let it go, buddy. He ain't gonna let it rest until no one reples to him. Let him "win."

[Dickson]

Loudpipes,

Great message!!!!!

This to shall pass.........

[Shelby07]

LMFAO!! You "bowed out" before but couldn't help yourself and jumped right back in with both feet. When I respond with reasonable arguments, you ignore them only to respond with more BS.

And when you "bowed out" ten minutes before making this post here, your tone was pretty far from concilatory in fact it was downright offensive and only looking to keep your losing battle going. My guess is once you realized you were badly losing your debate you then switched gears opting to "bow out" rather than try to continue to defend your indefensible arguments. Your integrity is very questionable with those tactics shelby.......

Never said I conceeded, Bill, just that I bowed out.

Have a great day!

[CoventryCat86]

Never said I conceeded, Bill, just that I bowed out.

Have a great day!

Well okay but please don't try and make yourself out to be some kind of hero because you "bowed out" of an argument you were losing and me to be some kind of a monster because I had some extremely relevant points and factual evidence that you refused to consider. If you want to start a debate then be prepared to see it through to it's conclusion.

I'm sorry that I called you names and personally insulted you in any of our exchanges.