Tales of Intolerance - Share your experiences

**cigar no baka** · 12-01-2007, 10:47 AM

I thought I'd start sharing my experiences as I smoke outside at Starbucks often, up to 5-6 times per week.

I never intend to irritate people, I always try to be considerate. I try to sit downwind, and I try to occupy a table on the outside patio that is far from anyone else. But sometimes there are lots of non smokers sitting outside and I have no choice but to sit close to them or to sit upwind.

So this morning, I have no choices. Lots of nonsmokers sitting downwind. Oh well. So I light up. There are three people sitting downwind from me two tables down. As soon as I light up, before the first swirl of smoke has left the vicinity of my head, with no possibility of it invading their space, one of these SKWMFSM (skinny ass white MF soccer moms that sit around and make a bunch of noise and chatter endlessly about inane things) coughs up a lung and pulls her sweater over her face.

She then shoots me an evil, god-I-hate-your-guts glare, and after a few minutes of theatrics, they move inside.

It makes me wonder - these are probably of the Tolerance crowd - if you don't like something, your an intolerant hater. But I guess Tolerance is only for things you like. If you don't like it, then it's not intolerance. Makes me really intolerant of the word intolerant as it is totally subjective and used to death and used very selfishly nowadays.

I wonder if these people ever figure out whey there are so many smokers of all stripes gathering at Starbucks. They offer outside patios at most locations, and this one has an excellent patio that is well covered so you are protected from the rain and sun. Pipes, cigars and cigs are being smoked there often. As we have been forced outside by most places going nonsmoking, by legislative fiat or the choice of business owners (the former being discriminatory, the latter being totally legitimate in my book), these SKWMFSM should be able to figure out they have made their own bed, now they need to lie in it.

I figured I'd start sharing these experiences, as they happen often. Feel free to share your own.

**Kenyth** · 12-03-2007, 11:36 AM

It's the anti-smoking movement my man. You are allowed to be rude when it comes to oppposing tobacco use, and any area, inside or outside, is assumed to be non-smoking by the simple presence of a non-smoker. Cigar smoking is considered by many to be the worst smoking offense one can commit.

**cigar no baka** · 12-03-2007, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kenyth

It's the anti-smoking movement my man. You are allowed to be rude when it comes to oppposing tobacco use, and any area, inside or outside, is assumed to be non-smoking by the simple presence of a non-smoker. Cigar smoking is considered by many to be the worst smoking offense one can commit.

Well I am going to continue my silent resistance to the anti-smoking movement. Even when a anti-smoking law passes in my area (as I'm sure it will), I will continue to smoke outside. If anyone dares challenge me, I can give and take as well as they can, and will not back down.

**cigar no baka** · 12-03-2007, 01:18 PM

Well it was a good day today for cigar smokers in my area. It's 47 degrees with a slight wind, so all the non-smokers were inside, and the smokers were outside all bundled up nice and toasty, drinking hot coffee, and smoking. I was the only one with a cigar, true, but I count all smokers as brothers in arms in this fight. So as each cigarette smoker joined me, I tipped my cup in salute to my brothers in arms. Enjoyed a nice cigar, listened to my new Ipod touch and read a book, enjoying the solace free of the anti-smoking, intolerant tolerance crowd. Viva la resitance!!!!

**DeeDubya** · 12-03-2007, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kenyth

It's the anti-smoking movement my man. You are allowed to be rude when it comes to oppposing tobacco use, and any area, inside or outside, is assumed to be non-smoking by the simple presence of a non-smoker. Cigar smoking is considered by many to be the worst smoking offense one can commit.

I agree. That's why I always ask before lighting up among non-smokers. Every little conflict just contributes to their cause. I only light up among those who appreciate the pleasant aroma of a good cigar. Damn I hate to waste good smoke on a grouchy, snotty-nosed, opinionated, loud mouth.

However, there are always exceptions. I know quite a few non-smokers who actually like to smell a cigar or pipe. So you really can't blame all non-smokers for a bum rap, it's just those looking for a way to increase the tax on something they don't buy.

**kevin7** · 12-03-2007, 06:39 PM

at 6'2" 265 lb I dont get much shit for smoking cigars. I had a lady tell my some anti smoking shit outside of Target once while I was on a bench waiting on wife to shop. I told her to leave me alone or I would beat the shit out of her husband for marrying such a fucking bitch. She almost fainted and shit ,never saw the hubby . I'm glad he wasnt a psyco or cop or both

**cigar no baka** · 12-03-2007, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by kevin7

at 6'2" 265 lb I dont get much shit for smoking cigars. I had a lady tell my some anti smoking shit outside of Target once while I was on a bench waiting on wife to shop. I told her to leave me alone or I would beat the shit out of her husband for marrying such a fucking bitch. She almost fainted and shit ,never saw the hubby . I'm glad he wasnt a psyco or cop or both

Well I'm a big guy too so no one has ever confronted me directly, but I do get a bunch of snotty attitudes and glares.

**Cabaiguan Juan** · 12-03-2007, 07:27 PM

yeah at 6'1" and 255 with a crew cut no one talks shit to me, directly. Its those slimy smirks of rude actions that i hate but thats all i ever get hit with. I guess it beats the confrontational shit though.

**597** · 12-03-2007, 07:43 PM

Reading this thread reminds me of an interview in the movie supersize me that reminded me of the double standards in America. The guy stated that its socially acceptable to tell people smoking will kill you and is bad for you and that you shouldn't smoke. But its not ok to tell someone there fat, and that eating a lot will kill you and cause a heart attack. And yet he mentions that obesity is the number one cause of health related problems and deaths in America, far more than smoking.

**DeeDubya** · 12-04-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by 597

Reading this thread reminds me of an interview in the movie supersize me that reminded me of the double standards in America. The guy stated that its socially acceptable to tell people smoking will kill you and is bad for you and that you shouldn't smoke. But its not ok to tell someone there fat, and that eating a lot will kill you and cause a heart attack. And yet he mentions that obesity is the number one cause of health related problems and deaths in America, far more than smoking.

A very popular local radio personality was interviewing a gubernatorial candidate recently (KF). Both smoke cigars. KF will soon have his own label in some humidors (supposedly rolled by the Oliveros Bros). Anyway, KF stated "on the air" that he was certain that cigar smoking is good for you. That the stress relieving benefits of smoking a cigar (no inhaling) outweigh the risks of cancer, heart disease, etc.

I really don't believe KF but I will say that after a stressful day at the office I sure do look forward to selecting a stog and kicking back for an hour to unwind. Works for me.

**jafount** · 12-04-2007, 01:21 PM

I think the boys from South Park hit the nail on the head take two minutes and give this a looksie:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7oNExTAw3ng

**cigar no baka** · 12-04-2007, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by DeeDubya

A very popular local radio personality was interviewing a gubernatorial candidate recently (KF). Both smoke cigars. KF will soon have his own label in some humidors (supposedly rolled by the Oliveros Bros). Anyway, KF stated "on the air" that he was certain that cigar smoking is good for you. That the stress relieving benefits of smoking a cigar (no inhaling) outweigh the risks of cancer, heart disease, etc.

I really don't believe KF but I will say that after a stressful day at the office I sure do look forward to selecting a stog and kicking back for an hour to unwind. Works for me.

Wow, makes me even happier than ever that I voted for him in 2006 for governor.

**CaptBirde** · 12-05-2007, 04:11 PM

Personally i always ask when Im with people if they mind. and when im in public, outside is fair game if you ask me.

Although once i was at a small cafe and one of my best friends is a SERIOUS asthmatic, and there was a guy puffing away at some huge cigar (like he was fiend), and he continuously blew the smoke in my friends direction. so finally i went over (because my friend is far to polite) and asked the gentlemen to please just blow the smoke in a different direction, and i told him why, and i would like to just say the guy was real cool about it and put it out, when all i asked was to blow the smoke in a different direction).

Especially here in the US i get alot of crap from cigar stores, they constantly ask me for an ID, which i gladly give them, and than i get remarks about how young i am, and than once the guy called out my age to everyone who is sitting enjoying their cigars, to make fun, and i laughed with them and than politely told them all to (four lettered word beginning with f ending with uck) off, and told the guy i would no longer shop there (and none of my friends do either now), i am not a big fan of snobbery.

**WOXOF** · 12-06-2007, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by CaptBirde

Personally i always ask when Im with people if they mind. and when im in public, outside is fair game if you ask me.

Although once i was at a small cafe and one of my best friends is a SERIOUS asthmatic, and there was a guy puffing away at some huge cigar (like he was fiend), and he continuously blew the smoke in my friends direction. so finally i went over (because my friend is far to polite) and asked the gentlemen to please just blow the smoke in a different direction, and i told him why, and i would like to just say the guy was real cool about it and put it out, when all i asked was to blow the smoke in a different direction).

Especially here in the US i get alot of crap from cigar stores, they constantly ask me for an ID, which i gladly give them, and than i get remarks about how young i am, and than once the guy called out my age to everyone who is sitting enjoying their cigars, to make fun, and i laughed with them and than politely told them all to (four lettered word beginning with f ending with uck) off, and told the guy i would no longer shop there (and none of my friends do either now), i am not a big fan of snobbery.

You can say fuck on here, we won't tell Hex.

**BDurrani** · 12-06-2007, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by WOXOF

You can say fuck on here, we won't tell Hex.

Fuckin' right.

**Jonjonmacky** · 12-06-2007, 01:28 AM

Well i work at starbucks, actually, the starbucks cafe inside barnes and noble, but all the baristas that i work with all 14 of them, smoke.. I am the only one that smoke cigars but still. But needless to say, outside with all the chairs and whatnot it gets pretty Smokey. And boy let me tell you... the looks from mothers... woowhee! But people in this community has a very high smoker policy.

**cigar no baka** · 12-06-2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Jonjonmacky

Well i work at starbucks, actually, the starbucks cafe inside barnes and noble, but all the baristas that i work with all 14 of them, smoke.. I am the only one that smoke cigars but still. But needless to say, outside with all the chairs and whatnot it gets pretty Smokey. And boy let me tell you... the looks from mothers... woowhee! But people in this community has a very high smoker policy.

I'm on good terms with all the folks who work at my Starbucks. Been going there almost daily for over three years now. Several are cigarette smokers and we talk when they come outside.

Starbucks puts plastic ashtrays outside but with attrition they wear out, go missing, etc. So sometimes there are on ashtrays. Except for me; I always have my Colibri duo cig/cigar ashtray, so smokers come over and ask if they can share it, and I say sure, us underdogs gotta stick together man!

**NullSmurf** · 12-07-2007, 05:41 PM

Casa Fuente in Vegas is the best for this. Best cocktails, best waitresses, shitty cigar prices - can't win em all. My choice is to sit, back against the wall farthest from the escalator and light up. The "oh my God, you farted on the elevator" look on the faces of the tree huggers on the escalator is priceless! It just don't get any better than that.

**cigarsarge** · 12-07-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by NullSmurf

The "oh my God, you farted on the elevator" look on the faces of the tree huggers on the escalator is priceless! It just don't get any better than that.

Every time I get on an elevator I fart...It is just second nature.