how many heads....

bigpoppapuff · 01-03-2006, 07:17 PM

can be up eric's ass at one time??......tfire and rob are there....who else??...

**kevin7** · 01-03-2006, 07:43 PM

Is it like bukkakke(sp) only felching? You guys gotta provide links,I cannot read the fucked up 20 year old fucked up format. That godamned bar on the left that follows the page is a pain in the ass.

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 08:01 PM

LZ6, he's clueless.....Here's an example of what he told moheganson:

But a word of warning here you have no business running Tfire down at your place,

Hey LZ6 you moron, I couldn't find ANY posts here where Moheganson "ran down" tfire136

I did because he's a two-faced trolling piece of shit. So check again and see if you can find a post my Moheganson where he even mentions tfire136 let alone "run him down"

bigpoppapuff · 01-03-2006, 08:06 PM

just because "he served" doesn't get him a free pass...i didn't get a free pass when i served..i got spit on when i came home.....and he can post a response if he can pull his head out of eric's ass ....

**Baron Porthos** · 01-03-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

LZ6, he's clueless.....Here's an example of what he told moheganson:

Hey LZ6 you moron, I couldn't find ANY posts here where Moheganson "ran down" tfire136

I did because he's a two-faced trolling piece of shit. So check again and see if you can find a post my Moheganson where he even mentions tfire136 let alone "run him down"

by not my

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Baron Porthos

by not my

Ya wanna piece of me Crabtree?

**Rob, The LI Cowboy** · 01-03-2006, 08:37 PM

Hello everyone and thank you for the opportunity to post on your forum. First and foremost I'd like to publicly state for the record that I am a proud member of stogiechat. I came to SC when I first got hooked on cigars and quickly found friendship with a number of the botl there who offered good sound advice to further my enjoyment of the hobby. The same sound advice and comraderie which I'm sure you offer to new botl on your forum.

I respect and appreciate the comraderie and loyalty that is overwhelmingly evident amongst your membership. It is the same at sc for we all know (both sc and cs) and appreciate that a cigar by itself is enjoyable but when it is enjoyed amongst friends it takes on a whole other dimension. That is the reason that we have all turned to our respective forums -- to further our enjoyment of the hobby.

This is the central crux of my argument. I most likely do not know any of you folks personally but I am sure that were we to meet without the baggage of words said in anger or haste or allegiances to whatever forum, we could share a stick together and hopefully a few laughs and insights into the hobby. I am sure that this is the case with all of our respective memberships. Let's keep in mind that there are enough people in the world that don't have any regard for any of us, would do us harm and tell us that we deserve it. This is a simple unfortunate aspect of life, especially in this day and age. We'd all do best to band together bound by our common love of cigars.

Now as for the unfortunate set of circumstances that draw us together. I have personally conducted several transactions with TBS, all to my utmost of satisfaction. I am also a fan and customer of cbid, atlantic, dscigars, cheapercigars, famous, jr, and many others. Several other members of both of our forums have also conducted business successfully with all of these companies. Some have had problems. Unfortunately, one transaction with one customer is no indication of a transaction with another. Members on our boards have reported problems with cbid for example and jr. I have had no problem with either. It unfortunately is a risk that we take when we conduct business with an online merchant.

This being the case, I think it best not to judge any other's dealings with a company as indicative of how ours may be. Please understand that I am not saying to ignore others experiences but rather to consider them for what they are. One experience. Similar to EBAY where a 99.9% satisfaction rating is no guarantee of a satisfactory transaction a 88.7% rating is no guarantee of a doomed transaction.

Furthermore, please understand one thing about Eric's response to the incident. TBS is Eric's livlihood. He protects his business the same way we all would protect our children. Right or wrong we defend our children to the last as those of you who are parents can agree. Those of you who run, own or operate businesses can also testify to the number of times you have had to defend your business. It is a noble trait of any caring parent, owner, boss, etc..

With regard to the incident none of us have the complete set of facts. Obviously, a customer, or potential customer, felt slighted. This is between the merchant and the customer to rectify to the best of their respective abilities. For the rest of us on both sides to throw in based upon party lines and allegiances only makes an unfortunate circumstance worse by inflating it to superficial levels and robs us of the comraderie that makes this hobby so special. I ask you in what other hobby do members of a forum freely share without thought of recompense prized articles? Both our forums prize themselves in the bombing tradition. I believe it to be a lasting testament to the quality of folks at both establishments.

Furthermore, please understand one thing about Eric's response to the incident. TBS is Eric's livlihood. He protects his business the same way we all would protect our children. Right or wrong we defend our children to the last as those of you who are parents can agree. Those of you who run, own or operate businesses can also testify to the number of times you have had to defend your business. It is a noble trait of any caring parent, owner, boss, etc.. I'm sure he was just as angry as your member who felt slighted in the transaction. It's only natural to become upset and irate when we feel slighted on either side. The beauty is that just as easy as it is to get heated it is equally easy to calm one's self. In the end we must be just as quick to bury the hatchet as we are to draw it.

We are all free to make our own opinions. My opinion is biased but my logic is sound. If you really want to know what Eric is all about give him the opportunity to prove all of the negative things about him true or false. Buy a sampler from him. I think you just may be suprised. Check on the SC first grab thread or dealer special thread. He often has deals that cannot be beat on any other site. Then decide for yourself if he really is all of those things he has been accused of. With the same passion that you take in protecting your membership please invest the same effort in making your own conclussions based upon your own experiences.

As to the deleting of threads issue, I respect and adhere to your forum policy of no deletions. Your logic is sound and your argument for doing so is compelling. Unfortunately though we are all human as say things in haste or anger that we wish we could take back. I for one in my endless search for another joke have said things that were unintentionally insensitive and hurtful. Thankfully these threads can be deleted. This is sc policy and one that I am thankful and partial to. It doesn't make it right or wrong, simply a matter of law for the individual forum. It's only fair to abide by the rules of the forum if you enjoy participation therein.

I have asked on multiple occassions for Eric to delete the thread in question. Eric needed to start it because he had no other voice for his side of the story as he was squelched here. On your forum you have only one side. It only seems logical that on SC there is only one side too then. In all fairness I believe it highlights the worst in all of us on both sides. Furthermore, it stands as a baricade to others from joining your forum or for your members to join ours. Would you feel it fair to judge your establishment by this thread? Suppose a newbie saw this first. Would he make the effort to check out what you folks have to offer? Obviously, both lose in that argument. The same can be said for Eric and our forum. For whatever you have heard about TBS or SC please come and with an open mind experience it for yourself. There are several wonderful botl there whom you could benefit from knowing just as I'm sure you possess the same. It's not right to judge Parkster or TFIRE or any of us based upon this incident. These fellows are my friends and wonderful people. You would be well served to get to know them. Please come and look around. If you aren't happy you can always leave no questions or obligations.

If I may request of the member running the negative ad campaign against TBS to please also burry the hatchet. You made your point. Please do not actively seek to take food out of Eric and his family's mouth by advertising your dealing with TBS as indicative of all dealings with TBS. It is both unjust and immoral. As I said earlier, TBS is Eric's livlihood. He is forced to attempt to respond to your actions in order to circumvent the potential damage that you are doing to his firm. If you remove your ad the circle will be broken. I am sure you are a decent, reasonable person who can see the logic of my argument. If I may even be so bold -- talk to Eric directly. He is a good man. Voice your concerns. Work it out between yourselves as gentlemen. Not in the public arena of allegations and innuendo. You obvisouly both want to get to the bottom of this. Here is an opportunity to do so. To plead your contests in the public arena seeks not resolution but rather war.

I consider Eric to be my friend and a valued supplier the same as many of the other members of sc. I ask you to please put this matter in the past where it belongs and go forward to make your own individual conclussions. Try out sc. See if you like it for yourself. Not based upon the opinions of others. Try out tbs for yourself. Don't rely on the opinions of others. Life is too short and precious to devote so much of our lives to tearing others down. We would not appreciate it being done to us and the circular nature of karma often finds us reaping what we sow.

Thank you for you effort in reading this and hopefully for taking the opportunities I have brought to your attention. I remain Rob, the Long Island Cowboy and BOTL to all.

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 08:58 PM

Thanks Rob for your thoughts and short, brief and to the point post!

(LMAO, just bustin' yer stones and I'd bet you can see the humor without losing your mind)

Eric has a pretty bad reputation on other sites. That's his own fault.
He violated the board policies on CigarWeekly.
He's been banned from CigarPass for threatening CigarPass members and the site admin.
He comes here and gee, someone remembers him and says something, sorry but his reputation preceeds him.
Then he gets mouthy and starts right in with the namecalling.
After he was banned, he SPAMMED and harrassed this site with multiple screen names, many of them derogatory variations of my screen name.
He also made up a vulgar screen name on CigarPass "CPAssholes"
He sent threatening emails to Rod & Hex saying he would sue them. This is complete bullshit!

Eric then LIES and claims I bought some cigars from him which I did not.
He NEVER should have publicly posted details of ANY customer's transaction (even ones that he made up) WITHOUT the customer's permission.

There are three polls running on ClubStogie, CigarPass and here which prove my point.

I would have been more than happy to be one of his customers at some point in the future but based on the way he's treated me, Rod Linsalato (site owner and admin of CigarPass), Hex1848 (site owner and admin of CigarSmokers) and MANY other of my fellow BOTLs, I'd be really hard pressed to ever do business with him.

It's ALL Eric's fault and he and a few of his supporters refuse to understand this.

You say he's "protecting his business" but I'll offer that he's doing one hell of a lousy job expanding his customer base by managing to PISS OFF SO MANY people on other cigar forums.

If Eric could manage to control his emotions and not find it necessary to lie, flame and be rude, he NEVER would have been banned here. HIS fault and HIS FAULT ONLY!!! Sorry Rob, that's just the way it is. Seeing how that TBSCigars is his livelihood, he should freakin' know better!!

I thank you again for signing up here and offering your thoughts!!

bigpoppapuff · 01-03-2006, 09:24 PM

nice first post,rob...hopefully you'll enjoy playing in our little sandbox...
.....maybe one day we'll herf when i visit my son in NYC....

welcome!!!....

**Rob, The LI Cowboy** · 01-03-2006, 09:45 PM

Now that i've said my piece I just wanted to take a second to clear up two misunderstandings on this page that are bothering me:

1. My head has never gone near Eric's ass. After Brokeback Mountain I don't go anywhere near anyone's ass for fear of being labeled as a homosexual. It's difficult enough wearing boots and a stetson in public without people thinking you're coming out of the closet. I surely have no interest in fueling this myth.

2. LZ6 was using the word "you" in the plural generalized form of the word not the specific. ie; you all

3. Please don't cast aspersions upon Bob without ever having met him based on a misinterpretation. He served this country in Vietnam and is very much a decent man and giving botl.

Thank you.

**rpb67** · 01-03-2006, 09:57 PM

Eric has included me as well in his stupid thread on Stogie Chat.

Just FYI. I only had 0ne comment about Stogie Chat.

1. That there are some good people over there like Skipper,LZ,Mike D, Parkster and a few others. I never put the board or any of its members down.

My only jokes were to CC. I said I wouldnt bring any Padrons around him or wear my Padron T-shirt if we met up for a drink.

I have no idea why I was mentioned. Maybe Eric is sinking and grasping at anything and anyone he can.

CC - Padrons are on me !!!!!!

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rob, The LI Cowboy

Now that i've said my piece I just wanted to take a second to clear up two misunderstandings on this page that are bothering me:

1. My head has never gone near Eric's ass. After Brokeback Mountain I don't go anywhere near anyone's ass for fear of being labeled as a homosexual. It's difficult enough wearing boots and a stetson in public without people thinking you're coming out of the closet. I surely have no interest in fueling this myth.

2. LZ6 was using the word "you" in the plural generalized form of the word not the specific. ie; you all

3. Please don't cast aspersions upon Bob without ever having met him based on a misinterpretation. He served this country in Vietnam and is very much a decent man and giving botl.

Thank you.

Sorry Rob but LZ6 quoted Moheganson's post which sure meant he was pointing the finger right at him.

Who's "Bob"?

**rpb67** · 01-03-2006, 10:02 PM

If you are talking about Bob - LZ6 he is a good guy. Very stand up Botl and very giving when it is called for.

For what he said. Its not the LZ I know and maybe it was taken out of context. He usually/never realy gets involved in wars or debates like this.

But what do I know ?

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 10:08 PM

Well "Bob/LZ6" may be a "good guy" and all but why on earth he justifies tfire136's slams, flames, namecalling and derogatory remarks just because he's a veteran doesn't hold any water with me........

**Rob, The LI Cowboy** · 01-03-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

Sorry Rob but LZ6 quoted Moheganson's post which sure meant he was pointing the finger right at him.

Who's "Bob"?

I think you're mistaken sir. From the way the quote is phrased on page 1 you would think that to be the case but it wasn't presented in its entirety as such. Just for the record here is the entirety of the post.

on Dec 31st, 2005, 12:03am, moheganson wrote:
They came here only with good intentions to warn fellow BOTL's and quite a few of your members got VERY nasty with them right off the bat. You can see in paragraph two the phrase, "any of you" referring back to the generalized you.

Let it GO! have you seen oblik or eluethardt participate
in any pass since this age old deal went to ground??
We understand and appreciated that warning when it came to us? What don't you get? You made the post and we took it for the deal it was. No need to run it a hundred times for Christ's sake.

But a word of warning here you have no business running Tfire down at your place, he is a good brother and has been through more shit in a nasty place than
you can imagine and does not deserve any shit from any of you! Leave it alone now. Just my 2p.

Regardless, thank you all for your time I wish you peace and a good stick. Please consider what I said. Thank you.

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 10:14 PM

Soooooo Rob, you still want to stick by this comment:

hmmmm.....sound like a brother who needs a kotex bomb. and i know just the botl who specializes in "unorthodox" bombs.

Just wondering since you did come over here all nicey-nice an' all......

Oh, and this follow up by Eric just shows what kind of total asshole he is:

Thanks guys! Thats a funny idea...maybe we can get one of our lady members to send him a nicely AGED kotex bomb. I hear that he likes the Playtex 1926's the best.

However he would probably be confused which end to stick in his mouth and which goes in his arse because its one of the same.

Anyways, as comical as that package would be.... its not a good idea to do anything like that and I don't endorse any such activity...he is not worth the postage. The guy is a certified &*^(*& and that is enough to sit back an laugh at.

Oh, another one from Rob:

well then it's unanimous and agreed. the only thing left to do is a 21 ass salute.

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 10:17 PM

Getting this thread back on topic, I'd say JoeV. Cigar Connoisseur has his head shoved up TBSCigars' ass:

I personally don't remember this guy or any of his posts but he obviously has no clue what he's talking about. If he's talking trash about ET then he has no credibility because ET, along with 99% of the people I meet on this forum, are all great BOTL who couldn't be a better person. This guy seems like a loser, period.

I, however, have been through a few battles here in my time on this forum, and if need be I'll fight one forum to another because this is my stogie home and I won't allow anyone to cause that much trouble with it. If any of there recruits sign up to cause trouble at this forum...well.....
JoeV, Cigar Connoisseur reporting for duty ET.

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 10:21 PM

I also nominate Tommy2guns for "head up Eric's ass" honors:

and so forth and so on.....

**CoventryCat86** · 01-03-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rob, The LI Cowboy

I think you're mistaken sir. From the way the quote is phrased on page 1 you would think that to be the case but it wasn't presented in its entirety as such. Just for the record here is the entirety of the post.

on Dec 31st, 2005, 12:03am, moheganson wrote:
They came here only with good intentions to warn fellow BOTL's and quite a few of your members got VERY nasty with them right off the bat. You can see in paragraph two the phrase, "any of you" referring back to the generalized you.

Let it GO! have you seen oblik or eluethardt participate
in any pass since this age old deal went to ground??
We understand and appreciated that warning when it came to us? What don't you get? You made the post and we took it for the deal it was. No need to run it a hundred times for Christ's sake.

But a word of warning here you have no business running Tfire down at your place, he is a good brother and has been through more shit in a nasty place than
you can imagine and does not deserve any shit from any of you! Leave it alone now. Just my 2p.

Regardless, thank you all for your time I wish you peace and a good stick. Please consider what I said. Thank you.

I respectfully disagree with your conclusion.

**Rob, The LI Cowboy** · 01-03-2006, 10:30 PM

1. I didn't post to be nicey nice. Just to state my opinion. I'm not a nice person. Never proclaimed to be. Never have been.

2 It was all said in jest as anyone who knows or researches my posts sees that I do frequently and often. If you'd be so kind as to research the other bomb referred to I think you'd find it to be quite the comedy. Most of the other members did.

3a. If I may request one last thing, well two actually. Would you all please rip on my friend Tonto in the name of your cause too please. He so laments the lack of attention that we give him and would certainly appreciate the notoriety.

3b. Would you please ban me now because I'm having a devil of a time deleting my account. Thank you.