how many heads....

[Rob, The LI Cowboy]

Now that i've said my piece I just wanted to take a second to clear up two misunderstandings on this page that are bothering me:

1. My head has never gone near Eric's ass. After Brokeback Mountain I don't go anywhere near anyone's ass for fear of being labeled as a homosexual. It's difficult enough wearing boots and a stetson in public without people thinking you're coming out of the closet. I surely have no interest in fueling this myth.

2. LZ6 was using the word "you" in the plural generalized form of the word not the specific. ie; you all

3. Please don't cast aspersions upon Bob without ever having met him based on a misinterpretation. He served this country in Vietnam and is very much a decent man and giving botl.

Thank you.

[rpb67]

Eric has included me as well in his stupid thread on Stogie Chat.

Just FYI. I only had 0ne comment about Stogie Chat.

1. That there are some good people over there like Skipper,LZ,Mike D, Parkster and a few others. I never put the board or any of its members down.

My only jokes were to CC. I said I wouldnt bring any Padrons around him or wear my Padron T-shirt if we met up for a drink.

I have no idea why I was mentioned. Maybe Eric is sinking and grasping at anything and anyone he can.

CC - Padrons are on me !!!!!!

[CoventryCat86]

Now that i've said my piece I just wanted to take a second to clear up two misunderstandings on this page that are bothering me:

1. My head has never gone near Eric's ass. After Brokeback Mountain I don't go anywhere near anyone's ass for fear of being labeled as a homosexual. It's difficult enough wearing boots and a stetson in public without people thinking you're coming out of the closet. I surely have no interest in fueling this myth.

2. LZ6 was using the word "you" in the plural generalized form of the word not the specific. ie; you all

3. Please don't cast aspersions upon Bob without ever having met him based on a misinterpretation. He served this country in Vietnam and is very much a decent man and giving botl.

Thank you.

Sorry Rob but LZ6 quoted Moheganson's post which sure meant he was pointing the finger right at him.

Who's "Bob"?

[rpb67]

If you are talking about Bob - LZ6 he is a good guy. Very stand up Botl and very giving when it is called for.

For what he said. Its not the LZ I know and maybe it was taken out of context. He usually/never realy gets involved in wars or debates like this.

But what do I know ?

[CoventryCat86]

Well "Bob/LZ6" may be a "good guy" and all but why on earth he justifies tfire136's slams, flames, namecalling and derogatory remarks just because he's a veteran doesn't hold any water with me........

[CoventryCat86]

Soooooo Rob, you still want to stick by this comment:

hmmmm.....sound like a brother who needs a kotex bomb. and i know just the botl who specializes in "unorthodox" bombs.

Just wondering since you did come over here all nicey-nice an' all......

Oh, and this follow up by Eric just shows what kind of total asshole he is:

Thanks guys! Thats a funny idea...maybe we can get one of our lady members to send him a nicely AGED kotex bomb. I hear that he likes the Playtex 1926's the best.

However he would probably be confused which end to stick in his mouth and which goes in his arse because its one of the same.

Anyways, as comical as that package would be.... its not a good idea to do anything like that and I don't endorse any such activity...he is not worth the postage. The guy is a certified &*^(*& and that is enough to sit back an laugh at.

Oh, another one from Rob:

well then it's unanimous and agreed. the only thing left to do is a 21 ass salute.

[CoventryCat86]

Getting this thread back on topic, I'd say JoeV. Cigar Connoisseur has his head shoved up TBSCigars' ass:

I personally don't remember this guy or any of his posts but he obviously has no clue what he's talking about. If he's talking trash about ET then he has no credibility because ET, along with 99% of the people I meet on this forum, are all great BOTL who couldn't be a better person. This guy seems like a loser, period.

I, however, have been through a few battles here in my time on this forum, and if need be I'll fight one forum to another because this is my stogie home and I won't allow anyone to cause that much trouble with it. If any of there recruits sign up to cause trouble at this forum...well.....
JoeV, Cigar Connoisseur reporting for duty ET.

[CoventryCat86]

I also nominate Tommy2guns for "head up Eric's ass" honors:








and so forth and so on.....

[Rob, The LI Cowboy]

1. I didn't post to be nicey nice. Just to state my opinion. I'm not a nice person. Never proclaimed to be. Never have been.

2 It was all said in jest as anyone who knows or researches my posts sees that I do frequently and often. If you'd be so kind as to research the other bomb referred to I think you'd find it to be quite the comedy. Most of the other members did.

3a. If I may request one last thing, well two actually. Would you all please rip on my friend Tonto in the name of your cause too please. He so laments the lack of attention that we give him and would certainly appreciate the notoriety.

3b. Would you please ban me now because I'm having a devil of a time deleting my account. Thank you.

[CoventryCat86]

1. I didn't post to be nicey nice. Just to state my opinion. I'm not a nice person. Never proclaimed to be. Never have been.

2 It was all said in jest as anyone who knows or researches my posts sees that I do frequently and often. If you'd be so kind as to research the other bomb referred to I think you'd find it to be quite the comedy. Most of the other members did.

3a. If I may request one last thing, well two actually. Would you all please rip on my friend Tonto in the name of your cause too please. He so laments the lack of attention that we give him and would certainly appreciate the notoriety.

3b. Would you please ban me now because I'm having a devil of a time deleting my account. Thank you.

LMAO!!

Tonto isn't worth my time, he's clearly "challenged"

Sorry, you signed up NO BAN FOR YOU!!! I need SOME way to be able to contact you regarding herfs we organize on Long Island at Churchills (exit 48 off the LIE) since I absolutely refuse to ever post on StogieChat even though I'm not banned!

[CoventryCat86]

I personally don't remember this guy or any of his posts but he obviously has no clue what he's talking about. If he's talking trash about ET then he has no credibility because ET, along with 99% of the people I meet on this forum, are all great BOTL who couldn't be a better person. This guy seems like a loser, period.

I, however, have been through a few battles here in my time on this forum, and if need be I'll fight one forum to another because this is my stogie home and I won't allow anyone to cause that much trouble with it. If any of there recruits sign up to cause trouble at this forum...well.....
JoeV, Cigar Connoisseur reporting for duty ET.

Well Joe, for you to say "he obviously has no clue what he's talking about" and the rest of the bullshit you said in your post leads me to conclude that you do indeed have your head shoved up Eric's ass which was the topic of this thread started by Sid.

You say I have "no credibility" because I'm "talking trash" about Eric.

Joe, I'm not "talking trash" about Eric, I'm only speaking the truth about this lying sack of shit friend of yours so just because you don't like it, you attack me when you sir are the one with no clue.

All the evidence is laid out here as clear as day about this lowlife liar for you to review. As I said, this board does not delete posts and hide the evidence which is why Eric has been successful on his own site, everytime he lies and loses his temper, he simply deletes the offending threads and you guys all sit around and forget that it ever happened.

What you fail to understand Joe is that your "boy" Eric is the one who caused all the trouble here.

In your first post here, you start right in with the name calling. If you continue to keep it up, your stay here will be very short......

[JoeV, Cigar Connoisseur]

Getting this thread back on topic, I'd say JoeV. Cigar Connoisseur has his head shoved up TBSCigars' ass:

First off I’d like to say hello and thank you to bigpoppapuff for inviting me to come check things out. Second, I stand by what I said CC. I don’t have my head shoved up anywhere. I just give Eric the benefit of the doubt. Many of the statements that I’ve seen you post that pertain to members of our board shows just plain ignorance. You haven’t spoken one word to me but have already made a judgment on me. I don’t know who you think you are to have that right but I don’t see how you can talk about members such as tfire who have said things you didn’t like when all you seem to do it talk trash. You’ve made a list of members who “have their head up TBS’s ass.” These members are very respectable people whom I consider to be friends. You also make accusations towards LZ of being a “moron.” LZ (Bob) is one of the most knowledgeable and respectable people who I have ever come across. I think you need to let this go, as does Eric. I still don’t know the entire story but it is (or at least should be) far in the past. As far as I know we’re all adults here and as far as I’m concerned this needs to end. CC, you need to let this go, period. Whatever Eric did or didn’t do, it’s all in the past. There’s no need for you to attack members of what you all like to call “SploogieChat.” If this is how you go about your business, then I am sorry but I stand by my statement of calling you a loser. And as for me saying that I’m behind Eric and saying that I would help, I was saying I would take the time to delete any possible posts that may cause problems on the forum. I didn’t want SC to undergo what has gone on here. So CC, take my words as you wish. If you plan on getting offended and start calling me names then I’ve said my peace and I’ll never post on this forum again. Depending on how this goes I may stick around to find out what this forum is about, if not then thanks for allowing me the opportunity to speak my peace.

And Rpb, he mentioned your name because I had spoken with him about making a post on this site as a mediator to the situation. I was unsure whether I should post or not because I didn’t want to flare up old times when we used to exchange words. There was enough going on and I didn’t want to add fuel to the flames. I’ll keep my distance as long as you keep yours.

[CoventryCat86]

First off I’d like to say hello and thank you to bigpoppapuff for inviting me to come check things out. Second, I stand by what I said CC. I don’t have my head shoved up anywhere. I just give Eric the benefit of the doubt. Many of the statements that I’ve seen you post that pertain to members of our board shows just plain ignorance. You haven’t spoken one word to me but have already made a judgment on me. I don’t know who you think you are to have that right but I don’t see how you can talk about members such as tfire who have said things you didn’t like when all you seem to do it talk trash. You’ve made a list of members who “have their head up TBS’s ass.” These members are very respectable people whom I consider to be friends. You also make accusations towards LZ of being a “moron.” LZ (Bob) is one of the most knowledgeable and respectable people who I have ever come across. I think you need to let this go, as does Eric. I still don’t know the entire story but it is (or at least should be) far in the past. As far as I know we’re all adults here and as far as I’m concerned this needs to end. CC, you need to let this go, period. Whatever Eric did or didn’t do, it’s all in the past. There’s no need for you to attack members of what you all like to call “SploogieChat.” If this is how you go about your business, then I am sorry but I stand by my statement of calling you a loser. And as for me saying that I’m behind Eric and saying that I would help, I was saying I would take the time to delete any possible posts that may cause problems on the forum. I didn’t want SC to undergo what has gone on here. So CC, take my words as you wish. If you plan on getting offended and start calling me names then I’ve said my peace and I’ll never post on this forum again. Depending on how this goes I may stick around to find out what this forum is about, if not then thanks for allowing me the opportunity to speak my peace.

And Rpb, he mentioned your name because I had spoken with him about making a post on this site as a mediator to the situation. I was unsure whether I should post or not because I didn’t want to flare up old times when we used to exchange words. There was enough going on and I didn’t want to add fuel to the flames. I’ll keep my distance as long as you keep yours.

Uhhhhh..who's starting in with the name calling? That would be YOU Joe and as I stated in my previous post, I'd highly recommend you knock your shit talk off immediately or once again, your stay will be a short one.......

[Shagaroo]

You haven’t spoken one word to me but have already made a judgment on me. I don’t know who you think you are to have that right ...

Another small note. You did that very thing over on SC. What right did you have? I think we all will claim that right since it seems to work for you. mmmkay? Thanks for stopping by.

[ggiese]

Rob,

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your views about Eric Turner, TBS Cigars, StogieChat, and specific members of that board. Clearly the only view I have is based upon some very minor readings in the distant past, and what has happened recently.

Based upon my take of the whole situation, Eric has brought himself into the limelight recently. He came to this site (amongst others) initially as an unpaid advertiser. Some have heard of Eric and TBS cigars before - to be honest - I had not. But - based upon his postings here and other boards, I'd be hard pressed to ever do business with an individual who puts himself in the light as a short tempered, unbalanced businessman. No low priced premium cigar is going to change my impressions in that regard.

As far as defending your child. I am the parent of several teenaged children. I love those little critters dearly. The rambunctious little hooligans manage to drive their old man nuts with their shenanigans from time to time. That doesn't mean I don't love them less - I just love them in a different way. When you say they are my "babies", and I would defend them - you're damn right!!! However, would I defend them to the point that I would deny they are rambunctious little hooligans hell bent on their shenanigans? Not even!!!

You've got Eric doing some interesting things to drum up business. Certainly expanding your market into other cigar boards as an unpaid advertiser opens you up a tad. Questions are going to be asked. And if Eric is the "parent" of his "baby", he should honestly and openly answer any questions put to him. Or - better yet - let the company speak for itself. If he's of the mind to "vigorously" defend his business (as he has done here an other places - with rude, nasty, trolling behavior), I think he can fully expect the type of treatment he's received. If Eric's business is as good as you say it is - he shouldn't have to defend it, Rob. It should speak for itself.

As far as the members of StogieChat - there is no doubt some great people over there. But there are also those that talk out of one side of their mouth on this board, and then do exactly what they preach against on StogieChat. That is just plain wrong. If you have a problem, and you go to another board because you want to rid yourself of that problem - EXCELLENT - not every board was made to accomodate everyone's personal likes and dislikes. You gotta make some choices about what you will and will not tolerate. StogieChat is not the right fit for some - while it's near perfect for others. Same with CigarSmokers.

But, in my view, it is not right to rid yourself of your problem, and then move to the next board and make the problem the topic of conversation. Sorry - to me that's just absolute hypocrisy (FALSENESS) at its very core. You don't need to defend who I'm talking about - his very own words speak well for him!!! You don't want stress - yet your blood boils when you see someone posting and it's not in your new digs??? How would you possibly know if you don't pay attention??? Sorry - I don't buy the argument that you are highly offended and distraught by seeing mangled dead bodies at an accident site when you slow down and gawk - that just doesn't make any sense to me....

Bottom line - you don't want to be criticized - don't place yourself in a critical light... Eric and others don't seem to understand that concept and the chase goes on. I believe you can clearly see CC doesn't mind being in the critical light, even though he is being highly criticized... It will never end if Eric and others choose to continue this nonsense.

[Rob, The LI Cowboy]

Sorry Rob but LZ6 quoted Moheganson's post which sure meant he was pointing the finger right at him.

Who's "Bob"?

I think you're mistaken sir. From the way the quote is phrased on page 1 you would think that to be the case but it wasn't presented in its entirety as such. Just for the record here is the entirety of the post.

on Dec 31st, 2005, 12:03am, moheganson wrote:
They came here only with good intentions to warn fellow BOTL's and quite a few of your members got VERY nasty with them right off the bat. You can see in paragraph two the phrase, "any of you" referring back to the generalized you.


Let it GO! have you seen oblik or eluethardt participate
in any pass since this age old deal went to ground??
We understand and appreciated that warning when it came to us? What don't you get? You made the post and we took it for the deal it was. No need to run it a hundred times for Christ's sake.

But a word of warning here you have no business running Tfire down at your place, he is a good brother and has been through more shit in a nasty place than
you can imagine and does not deserve any shit from any of you! Leave it alone now. Just my 2p.

Regardless, thank you all for your time I wish you peace and a good stick. Please consider what I said. Thank you.

[CoventryCat86]

I think you're mistaken sir. From the way the quote is phrased on page 1 you would think that to be the case but it wasn't presented in its entirety as such. Just for the record here is the entirety of the post.

on Dec 31st, 2005, 12:03am, moheganson wrote:
They came here only with good intentions to warn fellow BOTL's and quite a few of your members got VERY nasty with them right off the bat. You can see in paragraph two the phrase, "any of you" referring back to the generalized you.


Let it GO! have you seen oblik or eluethardt participate
in any pass since this age old deal went to ground??
We understand and appreciated that warning when it came to us? What don't you get? You made the post and we took it for the deal it was. No need to run it a hundred times for Christ's sake.

But a word of warning here you have no business running Tfire down at your place, he is a good brother and has been through more shit in a nasty place than
you can imagine and does not deserve any shit from any of you! Leave it alone now. Just my 2p.

Regardless, thank you all for your time I wish you peace and a good stick. Please consider what I said. Thank you.

I respectfully disagree with your conclusion.

[CoventryCat86]

Watch Eric delete the whole thread now because that's the way he runs things He loses his temper, loses control of his emotions then thinks everything will be "okay" if he hides the evidence and deletes the thread!

Go ahead Eric, I've already saved all the "good stuff" here

[ggiese]

But a word of warning here you have no business running Tfire down at your place, he is a good brother and has been through more shit in a nasty place than
you can imagine and does not deserve any shit from any of you! Leave it alone now. Just my 2p.

Rob - there is no doubt few individuals on this or other cigar boards (including StogieChat) who have a history which would lead others to compassion if they were to know the circumstances. I applaud tfire for his service to this country - it is a strong sacrifice, no doubt. But I really don't appreciate anyone wearing that on their sleeve.

I know individuals who are embroiled in these discussions who's own personal past causes one to reflect on their sacrifices. Yet - tfire is the only one who is being defended in that regard.

I guess I'm most disturbed that he has chosen to make that information very public. Has made statements that he doesn't want the stress. Then he jumps in, with both feet, one of the most vocal - and then has other members saying, "Hey, leave the poor guy alone. He's got a lot of baggage..."

I've got some advice. If tfire is as concerned about his stress level as he claims - he needs to pull the reigns back a bit. His horse is out of control. And others defending his inflammatory posts is doing nothing more than adding fuel to that stress fire of his...